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mnewsham

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Sorry, but the notion that there's a large number of players joining PvP to just sit there without even trying is nonsense.

actually it's a legit strategy now, I have a friend who did it for 3 hours the other night and got 1 legendary and 1 exotic by doing it. All he had to do was run around so you dont get autobooted. Maybe get a kill here or there.
 

RampantAndroid

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Then there's no hope. Its all written right there.

People would complain that random groups ruin their run. Especially on nightfall strikes where if you all die, you go to orbit. No checkpoint.

For the record, any time a developer makes a decision for their game that you don't like it doesn't mean they messed up. Things like that aren't by accident.

Accident? Doubtful. It'll either be because they have no idea how to do an MMO (wouldn't surprise me. Destiny feels more like Halo than Planetside.) or because they made the decision to cut it...which doesn't make it a good decision.

If they let randoms party up for everything you'd be here crying about how random people suck and ruin your strike or raid and they go off and do their own thing trying to get credit. This already happens sometimes in strikes as it is. It would be tons worse when you're doing special missions that are harder.

The voice chat thing can be changed, but then it would probably end up like every other game out there where random people mute everyone except friends.

Yes. Because they would only make it random. They couldn't say, match people with similar Kill/death ratios, time taken to complete missions, KDRs from other strike missions and crucible matches.


Congrats for thinking inside the box.

Ok...thanks?

Seriously it's not end of the world. WoW is an entirely different type of game too.


When did I say it was the end of the world? You're just trying to deflect here. It's a bad game, and some parts of it CAN be fixed...and some parts cannot (unless they want Peter Dinklage to come back and re-record sections of the story.)
 

Lil Frier

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Guess you haven't played MLB the show 14 for PS4. 80+ second loads are normal there on stock HDD.

Two comments on that:

1. Yeah, The Show might take 80 seconds to load, but the games last 30-45 minutes, no? At least, that was the case with the MLB 2K franchise on 360, I think I'd be around 45 minutes to complete a game. 80 seconds for 45 minutes of play is annoying, but 40 seconds for 20 minutes is just absurd, especially since that then means another loading screen upon exit and another to get to the next mission (after leaving the main hub, if necessary).

2. Was SATA III and a 7200-RPM drive REALLY so much more expensive?
 

sze5003

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Two comments on that:

1. Yeah, The Show might take 80 seconds to load, but the games last 30-45 minutes, no? At least, that was the case with the MLB 2K franchise on 360, I think I'd be around 45 minutes to complete a game. 80 seconds for 45 minutes of play is annoying, but 40 seconds for 20 minutes is just absurd, especially since that then means another loading screen upon exit and another to get to the next mission (after leaving the main hub, if necessary).

2. Was SATA III and a 7200-RPM drive REALLY so much more expensive?

Unless you are doing the road to the show. Then you get to play 5-10 min and still wait for loading in between everything else. I don't see why the loading bothers so many about Destiny. I do things my own way and only ever go to new planets or the tower once per session. I go to the tower before I sign out usually. Unless I'm constantly picking up engrams but that's rare for me.
 

mnewsham

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1. Yeah, The Show might take 80 seconds to load, but the games last 30-45 minutes, no? At least, that was the case with the MLB 2K franchise on 360, I think I'd be around 45 minutes to complete a game. 80 seconds for 45 minutes of play is annoying, but 40 seconds for 20 minutes is just absurd, especially since that then means another loading screen upon exit and another to get to the next mission (after leaving the main hub, if necessary).

I go through loading screens every 45-60 mins in destiny as well. I plan out what I am doing so I dont hit loading screens all the time, anyone who spends 20 mins and hits another loading screen either isn't planning out what they are doing at all, or they needlessly go to the tower after every other engram drop.
 

smackababy

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I go through loading screens every 45-60 mins in destiny as well. I plan out what I am doing so I dont hit loading screens all the time, anyone who spends 20 mins and hits another loading screen either isn't planning out what they are doing at all, or they needlessly go to the tower after every other engram drop.

What are you talking about? It takes maybe 20 minutes to do a strike. Then, you do another. That is another loading screen. PVP is even less game time. I'm sorry it takes you 45-60 minutes to accomplish anything.
 

Veliko

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actually it's a legit strategy now, I have a friend who did it for 3 hours the other night and got 1 legendary and 1 exotic by doing it. All he had to do was run around so you dont get autobooted. Maybe get a kill here or there.

So your friend sat in front of his Xbox for three solid hours and pretended to play a game?

These supposed AFK farming methods are getting more ridiculous the longer this thread goes on.
 

Veliko

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If you say so...I've seen people with 70 deaths and 2 kills walk away with exotic weapons. That is not OK and nothing you try to say will make it seem like it is a good system.

You're quite clearly making this up.

So what if you hit your cap quicker if they reward more marks for doing well. They are probably gonna buy gear with it anyway. That's the whole point of the game right now, better gear to do new and harder events. There is a whole group of people swearing off crucible because trying to win isn't rewarded any more than the guy who just shows up.

And your last sentence here is clearly nonsense as well.
 

mnewsham

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So your friend sat in front of his Xbox for three solid hours and pretended to play a game?

These supposed AFK farming methods are getting more ridiculous the longer this thread goes on.

"supposed" try harder, Roosterteeth podcast last week had 2 people on there who both admitted to doing it a few times. This isn't something that is rare, it happens.

Also, no he has a Vita and a PS4. He gets on PVP on his Vita using remote play while watching TV or doing other shit. No need to sit in front of your tv for hours to do it. Just have your vita with you while you do whatever you want for the evening, you just need to move around a bit to make sure you aren't kicked.



9 and 18? Better give him a legendary.

 
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Veliko

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So we've got your friend doing it once and a couple of people who admitted to doing it a few times.

This is not evidence of a problematic epidemic.

What's that screenshot supposed to be showing?
 

mnewsham

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What's that screenshot supposed to be showing?

The person in last place gets a legendary engram while everyone else gets rares or nothing.

Meaning it doesnt matter how well you do in a match, you can get last place or first place. Why bother trying at all?
 

smackababy

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"supposed" try harder, Roosterteeth podcast last week had 2 people on there who both admitted to doing it a few times. This isn't something that is rare, it happens.

Also, no he has a Vita and a PS4. He gets on PVP on his Vita using remote play while watching TV or doing other shit. No need to sit in front of your tv for hours to do it. Just have your vita with you while you do whatever you want for the evening, you just need to move around a bit to make sure you aren't kicked.



9 and 18? Better give him a legendary.


It makes sense to give the worst person the best gear. Think about it. The other players are obviously doing just fine with their gear, right? Why not use better gear to get the lacking players better?
 

sze5003

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The person in last place gets a legendary engram while everyone else gets rares or nothing.

Meaning it doesnt matter how well you do in a match, you can get last place or first place. Why bother trying at all?

Well then I would never get anything lol if it was based on competition because I suck at that.
 

Veliko

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The person in last place gets a legendary engram while everyone else gets rares or nothing.

Meaning it doesnt matter how well you do in a match, you can get last place or first place. Why bother trying at all?

You may as well be asking me why I bother playing computer games.

I've seen two cases now where no-one on the winning team wins any loot at all. It might be slightly annoying but it's simply not something that bothers me.
 

mnewsham

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It makes sense to give the worst person the best gear. Think about it. The other players are obviously doing just fine with their gear, right? Why not use better gear to get the lacking players better?

Because you can obviously take advantage of that by doing shitty on purpose like a lot of people have already started doing.
 

smackababy

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Because you can obviously take advantage of that by doing shitty on purpose like a lot of people have already started doing.

And? People take advantage of the best farming methods in every loot based game to date. You think people don't farm the easiest, most mob dense areas in Diablo 3?

You are crying because on a few occasions that "scrub" who did bad got more loot than you, an obvious elite professional Destiny player! You are entitled, due to your superior performance, to that loot!

It is random, for a reason. That means sometimes people don't get loot and some who "don't deserve it" do. Get over it.
 

cmdrdredd

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So your friend sat in front of his Xbox for three solid hours and pretended to play a game?

These supposed AFK farming methods are getting more ridiculous the longer this thread goes on.
Its how people start to work the system in place.
 

cmdrdredd

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And? People take advantage of the best farming methods in every loot based game to date. You think people don't farm the easiest, most mob dense areas in Diablo 3?

You are crying because on a few occasions that "scrub" who did bad got more loot than you, an obvious elite professional Destiny player! You are entitled, due to your superior performance, to that loot!

It is random, for a reason. That means sometimes people don't get loot and some who "don't deserve it" do. Get over it.
What we are pointing out now is a legitimate issue with the game's loot system. This is far more serious than no mic with randoms. Keep defending a system that makes no sense. The guys doing better should have a higher percentage of chance to roll a legendary. I don't see how you can argue against that really.

Also ho to other destiny forums and see how much people hate the PvP loot system that is in place. It is making people stop playing.
 
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RampantAndroid

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What we are pointing out now is a legitimate issue with the game's loot system. This is far more serious than no mic with randoms. Keep defending a system that makes no sense. The guys doing better should have a higher percentage of chance to roll a legendary. I don't see how you can argue against that really.

Also ho to other destiny forums and see how much people hate the PvP loot system that is in place.

...doing better? I tried a crucible match ONCE. I was a level 8. I was matched against people twice my level. I was lucky to get their shield down. The PVP setup in Destiny is beyond broken. They say it's "balanced" but they don't account for skills you gain.
 

cmdrdredd

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...doing better? I tried a crucible match ONCE. I was a level 8. I was matched against people twice my level. I was lucky to get their shield down. The PVP setup in Destiny is beyond broken.
Level your subclass. Its really the only advantage you get besides a weapon that shoots faster or something.
 

smackababy

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What we are pointing out now is a legitimate issue with the game's loot system. This is far more serious than no mic with randoms. Keep defending a system that makes no sense. The guys doing better should have a higher percentage of chance to roll a legendary. I don't see how you can argue against that really.

Also ho to other destiny forums and see how much people hate the PvP loot system that is in place. It is making people stop playing.

The loot your receive has zero bearing on the PVP itself. If they are stopping playing because of that, they are stupid. The afk farming in PVP is a problem, but nerfing the loot isn't going to change that. Adding, perhaps, a vote kick option would fix it. Or, maybe adding an additional "performance" chance for loot would entice players to actually try.

Level your subclass. Its really the only advantage you get besides a weapon that shoots faster or something.

Higher levels have a huge advantage. The only things that are normalized in PVP are damage and shields. Things like ability cool downs, reload / aim speed, weapon perks, etc make it a huge advantage to have good gear.
 

KentState

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Also, no he has a Vita and a PS4. He gets on PVP on his Vita using remote play while watching TV or doing other shit. No need to sit in front of your tv for hours to do it. Just have your vita with you while you do whatever you want for the evening, you just need to move around a bit to make sure you aren't kicked.

Actually verified this while football was on yesterday. Just moved the sticks occasionally on my Vita and watched my alt level up without firing a single round. Got destroyed when the area was invaded, but that was over quickly and I was back to standing around. Feels cheap when others like cmdrdredd put in serious time and I can get to level 24 without doing a single strike since my first rare.
 

cmdrdredd

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The loot your receive has zero bearing on the PVP itself. If they are stopping playing because of that, they are stupid. The afk farming in PVP is a problem, but nerfing the loot isn't going to change that. Adding, perhaps, a vote kick option would fix it. Or, maybe adding an additional "performance" chance for loot would entice players to actually try.

That's what I have been saying. Give an incentive to try. Even if it's extra ascendent materials, coins, or an extra percentage of chance when the loot is given out for getting in the top 3 or 4. It would make people feel their time actually doing the objectives is worth it.

Actually verified this while football was on yesterday. Just moved the sticks occasionally on my Vita and watched my alt level up without firing a single round. Got destroyed when the area was invaded, but that was over quickly and I was back to standing around. Feels cheap when others like cmdrdredd put in serious time and I can get to level 24 without doing a single strike since my first rare.

I have no problem with people camping a spot in PvE. It's rare that a legendary turns into an actual legendary or better and blues often turn to green. So it takes real time investment. I would just like the harder missions like the weekly and daily stuff and the high level strikes to offer a higher percentage of better loot. I did a level 24 strike with two people (the Arkon Priest) and we died numerous times before we got it. We both ended up with a rare that was worse than what we already had. So we spent maybe 40minutes for nothing lol. That's ok if I knew the chances were better I could get a legendary engram or a coin, ascendent energy/shard by doing strikes. It doesn't appear that is the case. I've sat at the cave and farmed for engrams, had bad luck on getting anything good from them but from Venus I ended up getting 3 legendary weapons from various engrams and an exotic. So I know the chance is there and I'm ok with it. My problem is there isn't more of a chance by doing missions or even by fighting higher level enemies. Bosses don't drop anything in my experience. I think they should or like I said, have a higher chance to.
 
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Lil Frier

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Unless you are doing the road to the show. Then you get to play 5-10 min and still wait for loading in between everything else. I don't see why the loading bothers so many about Destiny. I do things my own way and only ever go to new planets or the tower once per session. I go to the tower before I sign out usually. Unless I'm constantly picking up engrams but that's rare for me.

Forgot about that mode, that would suck, yeah. Maybe going with the 1,000 unique crowd models was a bit excessive.

The loading bothers me because it's so long and frequent, either-or wouldn't bother me as much. I hate to keep using WoW as the comparison choice, but it's the only thing I can really use. You could spend hours upon hours on a WoW continent without a single loading screen, and even the cross-continent loading screens aren't consistently 40 seconds (though that's on a 7200-RPM WD Black drive, not the junk drives in the consoles).

Defiance was a similar story, with almost no loading screens to speak of. Unless you were doing a group dungeon, PVP, or fast-traveling somewhere, that world (though not exactly huge) was without loading screens on the last-gen consoles. You'd hope that this generation would be a loading improvement, and that doesn't seem to be the case (at least, not consistently).

I go through loading screens every 45-60 mins in destiny as well. I plan out what I am doing so I dont hit loading screens all the time, anyone who spends 20 mins and hits another loading screen either isn't planning out what they are doing at all, or they needlessly go to the tower after every other engram drop.

You're assuming that everyone has the same interests in game completion. You might be doing side quests others don't care for, or doing extra loot hunting others already finished.
 

cmdrdredd

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You're assuming that everyone has the same interests in game completion. You might be doing side quests others don't care for, or doing extra loot hunting others already finished.

Lol in this game you're never done hunting loot. The RNG hates me.
 
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