Details emerge on Bethesda's Creation Engine

[Bateluer]

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/t...technology-behind-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim.aspx

I gotta admit, this does sound damn interesting. Lots of potential there.

The improved Radiant AI technology is also more aware of how a citizen should react to your actions. As you perform tasks for them or terrorize them by ransacking their home, the NPCs develop feelings about you. If you're good friends with a particular NPC and barge into his house during the middle of the night, he may offer you lodging rather than demand you leave the premises. “Your friend would let you eat the apple in his house,” Howard says. If you swing your weapon near an NPC, knock items off their dinner table, or try to steal something of value, they'll react with an appropriate level of hostility given their prior relationship to you.

 

[motsm]

I'll believe radiant AI when I see it. After all, they essentially disabled everything that made it even remotely interesting in Oblivion. The early in game demonstrations of radiant AI for Oblivion were just as advanced as this sounds, and all it turned into was NPC's occasionally talking about mud crabs.

:Edit: Oblivion was also supposed to have fully dynamic shadows as they are describing for this, and that got scrapped as well. Bethesda is just full of so much fail.

 

[Postbiological]

^ Yep

 

[smackababy]

Sounds flawed. I don't let my friends come in and steal my shit or break it...

Not to mention I am hearing a lot of Peter Molyneux in that description.

 

[Martimus]

I like what I read. I actually don't like that they are trying to keep the side quests related to the main quest so you don't get too distracted from the main task at hand though. I really enjoyed doing what I wanted, when I wanted in Oblivion, and don't want to be directed toward the main task.

Oblivion and STALKER were the first two games I played where the AI acted in a semi realistic behavior (STALKER was the better of the two, but Oblivion was still a step above all the others.) If Bethesda can improve on the interactions, it would be nice. I liked the sense of immersion that the openness and semi realistic AI behaviors made in Oblivion.

 

[Bateluer]

I'll believe radiant AI when I see it. After all, they essentially disabled everything that made it even remotely interesting in Oblivion. The early in game demonstrations of radiant AI for Oblivion were just as advanced as this sounds, and all it turned into was NPC's occasionally talking about mud crabs.

:Edit: Oblivion was also supposed to have fully dynamic shadows as they are describing for this, and that got scrapped as well. Bethesda is just full of so much fail.

I remember reading about the Radiant AI in Oblivion. Hopefully, we'll see its potential realized in Skyrim. Hardware has improved a lot since Oblivion, lot more processing power to work with.

Course, the console versions of Skyrim, likely where their focus is, are being developed for the same consoles as Oblivion. Graphical improvements may be marginal at best.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Sounds like what people have been saying they're going to do soon with AI for the past 20 years. I'm in the believe it when I see it camp.

 

[Liet]

Bethesda can't be trusted to develop a 1988 side-scroller. Bunch of goddamned incompetent lowest-common-denominator assholes.

Edit: Why is this news? They added a flag that triggers alternate dialogue? Big deal.

 

[shortylickens]

Bethesda can't be trusted to develop a 1988 side-scroller. Bunch of goddamned incompetent lowest-common-denominator assholes.

I'll assume you never played Morrowind.

 

[Liet]

Nope. Are the character interactions more or less advanced than Fallout 3?

 

[HunterDT]

Who remembers that demo video of an NPC casting a sleep spell on her dog to shut it up? Radiant AI FTW!

 

[TechBoyJK]

sounds good! 2011 and beyond is going to be great. CryEngine 3, ID Tech5, Creation Engine.. all good stufffs

 

[videogames101]

Sounds like the original Radiant AI before it got cut down for the 360...

 

[Red Storm]

I know I can't wait to beat the game, then replay it with mods that let me ride a dragon and fly around and wreck havoc on the world. Did it in Oblivion, but I couldn't attack with the dragon.

 

[Lonyo]

Well since they already talked this up and failed on it, hopefully second time roudn they can make it work.

 

[Compddd]

They're not going to neuter the PC version because of the console version right?

I hate consoles and think they should all be vaporized

 

[namtran512]

They're not going to neuter the PC version because of the console version right?

I hate consoles and think they should all be vaporized

It's a big reason why Oblivion was such a huge fail, and even with huge mods like FCOM which try and do its best to fix it, it still fails.


If Skyrim were a PC exclusive it would basically be what Oblivion was supposed to be.


People tend to forget that Oblivion actually was looking very good until they decided to cut out alot of features so that they could quickly port it to the 360.

 

[Modular]

Man, I can't wait for this game. I'll admit that I wasn't the hugest fan of Oblivion because of the gates that were all the same, and the dungeons that were the same, etc. But the story was good and the world was beautiful!

Having better interactions with AI and having more than one voice per race would be ideal.

 

[Bryf50]

People tend to forget that Oblivion actually was looking very good until they decided to cut out alot of features so that they could quickly port it to the 360.

Umm I don't know if you remember this but Oblivion was far and away the graphics king of directx 9, similar to Crysis now.

 

[Nintendesert]

RPGNerds raging against one of the few RPG makers left. Even BioWare gets hammered. This is why they are consolizing and moving on. All the raging and stamping of little feet and bitching about everything these companies do.

Nothing they do or any improvements they make will ever make you all happy.

 

[namtran512]

Umm I don't know if you remember this but Oblivion was far and away the graphics king of directx 9, similar to Crysis now.

Yeah except Oblivion could have been even better. Graphics were nice and dandy, but the AI and other complexities to the game were stripped down in order to port it to the 360.


Don't forget that originally Oblivion was supposed to be even more graphically demanding then when it was released. The only reason why it ran so poorly half the time was because it runs on an unoptimized version of the GameBryo engine, which already has stability issues if you have ever played Civ 4, Divinity 2, etc.

RPGNerds raging against one of the few RPG makers left. Even BioWare gets hammered. This is why they are consolizing and moving on. All the raging and stamping of little feet and bitching about everything these companies do.

Nothing they do or any improvements they make will ever make you all happy.

It's because when gameplay, storyline, and presentation of games like Baldurs Gate 2, Planescape Torment, and other classic 90s games are infinitely superior (and I do mean infinitely superior) than that of modern day games, you begin to wonder what is wrong with the companies that are making RPG games.


The Witcher for example I have almost no qualms with, since it had real roleplaying in that game with real consequences for your actions. And that is a more "modern" example of a RPG game that does it right, unlike Oblivion which was trash right from the start (especially considering how well done Morrowind was).

 

[shortylickens]

RPGNerds raging against one of the few RPG makers left. Even BioWare gets hammered. This is why they are consolizing and moving on. All the raging and stamping of little feet and bitching about everything these companies do.

Nothing they do or any improvements they make will ever make you all happy.

The crap thats been get shat out lately barely qualifies as a role-playing game. They are action games with stats, not quite as simple as hack'n'slash, but getting darn close.

 

[Bateluer]

RPGNerds raging against one of the few RPG makers left. Even BioWare gets hammered. This is why they are consolizing and moving on. All the raging and stamping of little feet and bitching about everything these companies do.

Nothing they do or any improvements they make will ever make you all happy.

You've obviously never played any of the older RPGs. RPG fans are very forgiving on graphics and visuals, its characters, story, plot, and dialog that we want far more than a state of the art graphics engine. Heck, you could take the now open source Q3 engine and use it to make an RPG on the level of Torment, with a good story/plot, and enough characters to make the world feel alive.

 

[Dorkenstein]

I got my monthly game informer in the mail after work. The article on Skyrim is awesome. Sure, some of it might not happen but I am drooling over the new art style, and the engine. Has a nice Conan feel to it, more gritty. The gameplay sounds a bit more simplified but I think it can still be pulled off.

 

[smackababy]

RPGNerds raging against one of the few RPG makers left. Even BioWare gets hammered. This is why they are consolizing and moving on. All the raging and stamping of little feet and bitching about everything these companies do.

Nothing they do or any improvements they make will ever make you all happy.

God forbid we hold companies that have displayed their talent in prior endeavors to such a standard.

I will buy this Elder Scrolls installment, and probably every after it because I am a fan of the series and the lore / story behind it. I just hope they go back to their roots (minus the sloppy code).