Deus Ex: Human Revolution

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pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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Hmmm...I'm stuck. trying to do this non-lethally and without being seen. I'm inside the 1st lab that the purists attacked and there's a "sunken" room with 4 or 5 dudes in it and I can't figure out how to take them all out without being seen.

I figured out how to to get through the room without being seen but I'm the kind of person where if I can see items in the game that I can take, I want them, lol.
 

Rhezuss

Diamond Member
Jan 31, 2006
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Just finished the game. 30 hours total and still have 12 locked achivements.

Nice game overall. Somewhat repetitive but still enjoyable.

IMO it would ba a great title at 40 bucks but not at 60 (the priceI paid for AE since there was no normal editions in the store).

7.5/10
 

Dumac

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2005
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DE 3 *fails* as a sequel to the original. AI is arguably worse and there are no consequences for your actions whatsoever. It's very short and the endings were painful beyond belief.
--i asked the computer to destroy itself after giving me a 30 minute countdown.

However, it's pretty good as a follow-up to Invisible War.

I completely disagree. I played the original Deus Ex for the first time right before Deus Ex: HR.

I'd say DXHR does great as a sequel. You must have serious nostalgia if you think the AI is better in the oiriginal. Also, choices in DXHR have as much consequence as in the original DX, if not more.
 

apoppin

Lifer
Mar 9, 2000
34,890
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I completely disagree. I played the original Deus Ex for the first time right before Deus Ex: HR.

I'd say DXHR does great as a sequel. You must have serious nostalgia if you think the AI is better in the oiriginal. Also, choices in DXHR have as much consequence as in the original DX, if not more.
i think you might feel that way when you consider DeuSex is eleven years old; i played it back then when it was *groundbreaking*. There is no progress except for the graphics. And the first game has more consequences.
 

motsm

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Jan 20, 2010
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i think you might feel that way when you consider DeuSex is eleven years old; i played it back then when it was *groundbreaking*. There is no progress except for the graphics. And the first game has more consequences.
It's always amusing when people try and make it sound like some achievement that HR almost lives up to some aspects of an 11 year old game. The fact that the gameplay devolved over time rather than evolved makes me look at it as a failure. It may be a decent game in spite of being a rather mediocre sequel however.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
3,947
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deus ex was made during the golden age of fps games. I would just feel lucky you were able to play it along with the other greats when you did. No need to compare them to this day. How can you? Something as new and as fresh as first person? The possibilities...
 

apoppin

Lifer
Mar 9, 2000
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deus ex was made during the golden age of fps games. I would just feel lucky you were able to play it along with the other greats when you did. No need to compare them to this day. How can you? Something as new and as fresh as first person? The possibilities...
No need to compare them?

If that were the case, then Duke Nukem Forever is a decent game; yet the reviewers and the posters here would not let us forget the original. Same with Alice and Madness Returns.
- if you can forget the original somehow, then Human Revolution is a great game - at least in the context of modern really dumbed-down console port sequels
:whiste:
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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my point is your memory of a fps game from 11 years ago is during a era when fps in general was new. How can a game 11 years on compete with the freshness that was first person?

You will never have an experience as fresh as the first time you really played a fps game.
 

Dumac

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2005
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i think you might feel that way when you consider DeuSex is eleven years old; i played it back then when it was *groundbreaking*. There is no progress except for the graphics. And the first game has more consequences.

Completely false.

The augmentation system is much more complex, giving more options to the player and having more interesting augs. The augments in DX were lame in comparison, and I rarely used most of them and didn't care for either of the 'choices' half the time.

The fighting in DXHR is obviously improved over DX, from gunplay to an actual cover system (which DX lacked sorely), and number of weapons.

The AI is much, much improved. In DX I could just run into a room and kill 5 guards with a sword before they could even shoot me because they were too busying running around in circles trying to figure out path-finding. Not to mention I could more easily stand in a corner and pick off guards. At least in DXHR the enemies will investigate things.

Not to mention pathing/placement. Guards in DX where put miles apart, making single kills sooo easy. I was rarely even seen in that game. I had double digit healthpacks all the way through.

The dialogue was also a lot better in DXHR. DX felt like a cheesy movie (i.e. hackers starring Angelina Jolie), while a few of the conversations in DXHR felt real, and got my emotions stirring. The entire time I played the original DX, it felt so cold. There was no emotion in the plot. I didn't care about half the things that happened, as the characters were so flat.

And how are there more consequences in DX? Barely anything changes, no matter what you do. Kill or not kill this seemingly important person? Doesn't change a thing. You didn't have a choice throughout 99% of the game over important decisions.

Sure, the original DX was great for its time. However, DXHR improved over every aspect. If you disagree, it is your nostalgia talking.
 

Dumac

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Dec 31, 2005
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No need to compare them?

If that were the case, then Duke Nukem Forever is a decent game; yet the reviewers and the posters here would not let us forget the original. Same with Alice and Madness Returns.
- if you can forget the original somehow, then Human Revolution is a great game - at least in the context of modern really dumbed-down console port sequels
:whiste:

How is it possibly dumbed down?

The original DX is simpler and easier in every way.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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The problem most of us run into is being a expert at playing video games means the bar is higher for what you enjoy.

If you love music you eventually follow that trail into some esoteric underground shit same with art but in videogames that doesnt really exist because the economics are all fucked up.

In the vg world its much easy to just spend your time impressing a 14 year old then try and make something amazing for a 32 year old dude who has seen it all.
 

MustangSVT

Lifer
Oct 7, 2000
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Although I am having fun with the game, I am disappointed with graphics and the "console" feel to it. Feels like an old ps2 game with just few effects.

and the loading time is horrible.
 

MTDEW

Diamond Member
Oct 31, 1999
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Although I am having fun with the game, I am disappointed with graphics and the "console" feel to it. Feels like an old ps2 game with just few effects.

and the loading time is horrible.
Patch your game to drastically fix those slow load times.

The graphics are dated by today's standards, you have to be able to look past that to enjoy the game.

Even though it is a great game despite the poor graphics, it would be awesome if it looked like THIS!
 

Ancalagon44

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Feb 17, 2010
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I think DX:HR went for a story that was somewhat smaller in scope. It was mainly about revenge, about Adam Jensen, and not really about a global conspiracy. I mean, there was the global conspiracy, but...

... it turned out to be the work of only one man acting alone (Hugh Darrow). The Illuminati are barely mentioned. In Deus Ex, the conspiracy was far wider, involving more people and groups. And JC Denton wasnt out for revenge, he was... out for justice?

They are both good games, similar and yet different. I think they went with the story they did because its the fashion these days - more "human".
 

Dumac

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Dec 31, 2005
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Why does it matter that it was a cake walk? Complex games can still be easy.

It was not that complex.

It was less complex than DXHR.

DX is simple by modern standards.

Is that clear enough for you?
 

motsm

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Jan 20, 2010
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It was not that complex.

It was less complex than DXHR.

DX is simple by modern standards.

Is that clear enough for you?
Considering I don't agree, restating your previous statement without elaborating isn't going to make anything clearer as to why you think that. Not that you need to, as you don't need to convince me of anything, or I you.

I agree with you partially however, Deus Ex isn't all that complex, but it's still far more complex than HR, IMO.
 

Dumac

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Dec 31, 2005
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Considering I don't agree, restating your previous statement without elaborating isn't going to make anything clearer as to why you think that. Not that you need to, as you don't need to convince me of anything, or I you.

I agree with you partially however, Deus Ex isn't all that complex, but it's still far more complex than HR, IMO.


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The augmentation system is much more complex, giving more options to the player and having more interesting augs. The augments in DX were lame in comparison, and I rarely used most of them and didn't care for either of the 'choices' half the time.

The fighting in DXHR is obviously improved over DX, from gunplay to an actual cover system (which DX lacked sorely), and number of weapons.

The AI is much, much improved. In DX I could just run into a room and kill 5 guards with a sword before they could even shoot me because they were too busying running around in circles trying to figure out path-finding. Not to mention I could more easily stand in a corner and pick off guards. At least in DXHR the enemies will investigate things.

Not to mention pathing/placement. Guards in DX where put miles apart, making single kills sooo easy. I was rarely even seen in that game. I had double digit healthpacks all the way through.

The dialogue was also a lot better in DXHR. DX felt like a cheesy movie (i.e. hackers starring Angelina Jolie), while a few of the conversations in DXHR felt real, and got my emotions stirring. The entire time I played the original DX, it felt so cold. There was no emotion in the plot. I didn't care about half the things that happened, as the characters were so flat.

And how are there more consequences in DX? Barely anything changes, no matter what you do. Kill or not kill this seemingly important person? Doesn't change a thing. You didn't have a choice throughout 99% of the game over important decisions.

Not to mention other, numerous small improvements in both gameplay and complexity here and there.

I would love to hear why you could possibly think DX is more complex or better than DXHR.
 

Ancalagon44

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Feb 17, 2010
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Hmmm... you can kill or not kill Anna Navarre when you see her on the plane, and you can also save your brother from getting killed. Both of those are signifcant I think.

In general, HR's combat is better, except for two things. One, you are too frail. DX allowed you to take a few hits, and with the right aug you could take a lot of hits. In DX:HR, even with the armor upgrade you are incredibly frail. It forces you into playing stealth, and means that the silenced armor piercing pistol is the most powerful weapon in the game.

Two, only one of your cells will recharge. Thats just fucking stupid.
 
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