Deus Ex Performance Thread

[brybir]

Problem? No, Dragon Age 2 had a driver optimization problem to the point that a GTX 580 couldn't even match an HD 6870. I don't think there is a driver problem with Nvidia, the game was just made to work better with AMD drivers on its end. Yes Nvidia can optimize, but AMD will probably optimize its drivers over the next couple of releases too.

Such is the joy of a competitive marketplace. Both will work to increase performance without cost to us. We all win!

 

[AnandThenMan]

I really think this is more of a driver issue than a hardware one.

The 570 could be running into a memory wall.

I'm glad this isn't an nVidia sponsored game to be honest, nVidias involvement would have likely leveraged their tessellation performance by screwing with it's implementation in the game to a dubious degree.

Worth quoting again, fully agree.

 

[96Firebird]

If this was a TWIMTBP title, and the gtx580 was 20% faster, there would be about a dozen people freaking out about how Nvidia is cheating and purposely hurting the game's performance on AMD cards.

Worth quoting again, fully agree.

Yet another game I'm not interested in, when is BF3 coming?!

 

[SlowSpyder]

If this was a TWIMTBP title, and the gtx580 was 20% faster, there would be about a dozen people freaking out about how Nvidia is cheating and purposely hurting the game's performance on AMD cards.

Anyways, good for AMD. So instead of saying their customers don't want AA and then change abruptly change their minds when their competitor gives their customers the option of doing whatever they want, (see Starcraft 2's release) they have figured out it's much better to work with developers and come out of the gate swinging. They get the limelight for a little bit. It happened with Dragon Age 2, http://amd-member.com/Newsletters/AMDGame/March11.html , and it is happening now with Deus Ex. I fully expect Nvidia to pull clearly ahead in performance, as they did in Dragon Age 2, in the next month or so.

I don't think anyone would be complaining if Nvidia worked with developers to improve the experience on Nvidia hardware, not regarding this game or any other. You do hear people complain when TWIMTBP games appear to be artificially cripped on AMD hardware. And I'm sure if some code was found that hurt the experience on Nvidia hardware, that looks to be influenced by AMD, you'd also hear people complain.

I'm not saying Nvidia has undeniably done these things in the past, but a pattern has emerged suggesting the possiblity.

 

[Keysplayr]

Meh. Another driver revision or two and voila. Reminiscent of Dragon Age II.

 

[Firestorm007]

They'll catch up with a driver revison...It's only a matter of time.

 

[tviceman]

40~44 avg fps @2560x1600 with 16xAF and FXAA high setting (with a single card).

Means anyone can play this game, with good mix of eye candy and get a enjoyable play experiance. If you dont own a 580 or 6970, just turn things down a tiny bit, and your good to go.

Also notice the comments about the use of tessellation? not excessivly used, and used in places where it makes sense. Game ends up looking great and running fast on more or less any machine.

In otherwards not a TWIMTBP for AMD.
Because title runs well even with a single card, and at resolutions of 2560x1600 with everything on.
AMD unlike nvidia doesnt resort to that sort of thing, this is just a case of nvidia not haveing a chance yet to optimise their drivers, and AMD haveing because theyve been with them on the development of the game (so AMD drivers are further along at present).

Your lack of punctuation and bad grammar makes your post generally hard to understand, but it sounds like you are accusing Nvidia of leveraging games to take full advantage of their high end GPU's. And then you make it sound like it's a bad thing to take advantage of super high end hardware.

 

[3DVagabond]

You mean leverage their Hd3d, so it is native to AMD -- I can't use 3d stereo at all on a nVidia GPU in this title.

I thought AMD used open an source 3D option that anyone can use?

nVidia's 3d vision ready titles work great with IZ3d or DDD on AMD hardware.

I thought nVidia's 3D Vision was proprietary and only worked with nVidia cards?

Or are you saying this tongue in cheek and I just missed the sarcasm tags?

 

[SirPauly]

nVidia owners are greyed out.

3d vision ready titles are the highest rating system for over-all quality for 3d stereo by nVidia -- they also shine with DDD and IZ3d and not native to just nVidia.

 

[SirPauly]

I'm not complaining -- either nVidia has to try to get their implementation in there with the developer or maybe add quad-buffering to D3d?

 

[Outrage]

amd is using a quad buffer to do 3d. Nvidia support this type of 3d also, but only on there quadro cards, since this is a function used in professional opengl 3d apps.

with some luck nvidia might expose there quad buffer on there consumer cards now following the open standard, just like they do in opengl with quadro cards.

so you can look at it two ways, you can also say that nvidia is preventing there customer from using an open standard, by not exposing a functionality they have in there cards. They want to sell quadro cards instead of consumer lvl hardware.

 

[3DVagabond]

amd is using a quad buffer to do 3d. Nvidia support this type of 3d also, but only on there quadro cards, since this is a function used in professional opengl 3d apps.

with some luck nvidia might expose there quad buffer on there consumer cards now following the open standard, just like they do in opengl with quadro cards.

so you can look at it two ways, you can also say that nvidia is preventing there customer from using an open standard, by not exposing a functionality they have in there cards. They want to sell quadro cards instead of consumer lvl hardware.

So help me out here. Is it nVidia locking out their customers not AMD? Is this is just so nVidia can push their own proprietary standard, as well as have their consumer cards be less useful than their pro cards in some applications?

 

[SirPauly]

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/QuadBufferSDK/Pages/default.aspx

This is AMD's API.

 

[happy medium]

Hardocp always seems to test games with top-of-the-line hardware at 2560x1600,

Or "any other way" to somehow make AMD cards look better than they really are.

 

[SirPauly]

So help me out here. Is it nVidia locking out their customers not AMD? Is this is just so nVidia can push their own proprietary standard, as well as have their consumer cards be less useful than their pro cards in some applications?

Tend to look at it as AMD trying to improve the 3d stereo experience for their customers by getting content in there and try to create awareness.

It's up to nVidia to use their developer relations and abilities to improve the 3d stereo experience for their customers.

 

[Outrage]

So help me out here. Is it nVidia locking out their customers not AMD? Is this is just so nVidia can push their own proprietary standard, as well as have their consumer cards be less useful than their pro cards in some applications?

I guess we shouldent say that they are activly locking there customers out, there just hasnt been a reason for them to expose there quad buffer yet. it would be stupid for them to expose a function that is only being used in the professional world on there consumer lvl hardware without a good reason. We just have to wait and see if deus ex is that reason.

 

[Grooveriding]

Battlefield 3 is the next AMD Gaming Evolved title. Looking forward to seeing how that one turns out

Guess nvidia will have COD - Modern Reskin 3

 

[notty22]

I was under the impression Kyle only used WHQL drivers ? Thats changed or was never preference ?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Good thing my 580 has more than a few fps to spare.

 

[tviceman]

Battlefield 3 is the next AMD Gaming Evolved title. Looking forward to seeing how that one turns out

Guess nvidia will have COD - Modern Reskin 3

I'm sure it will turn out just like BFBC2 and Dragon Age 2: it will run better on AMD hardware at first, but after a few driver releases, Nvidia will smoke AMD.

 

[tviceman]

Or "any other way" to somehow make AMD cards look better than they really are.

That's possible, but the point I was trying to make was that the settings they were using were, IMO, creating frame rates not as smooth as most people would like the game to run at while playing. And since I believe most people would rather have average frame rates in the 50's and 60's, why aren't they testing games to achieve those settings? It's really annoying to me. There has only been two games - Crysis 1 and Warhead - that felt smooth to me at 35-40 fps, and that was only because of the excessive motion blur both games used.

 

[Outrage]

Tend to look at it as AMD trying to improve the 3d stereo experience for their customers by getting content in there and try to create awareness.

It's up to nVidia to use their developer relations and abilities to improve the 3d stereo experience for their customers.

Do you want pc gaming to be divided, just like xbox vs ps?

and it would be trivial for nvidia to do 3d the way amd does, not so much the other way around.

 

[badb0y]

The only thing that nVidia did that was dubious was when they locked out AA from Batman Arkham Asylum on ATi cards . Aside from that nVidia has better developer relations but it looks like AMD is pushing in the same direction. The only thing I hope is that it doesn't come to a point where I need 2 graphics cards to be able to play all the games I want.

 

[Grooveriding]

I'm sure it will turn out just like BFBC2 and Dragon Age 2: it will run better on AMD hardware at first, but after a few driver releases, Nvidia will smoke AMD.

Nvidia hasn't smoked AMD since the 8800GTX days. Keep your fingers crossed though, I know some threads can be rough to digest.

 

[3DVagabond]

Hardocp always seems to test games with top-of-the-line hardware at 2560x1600, even if the average frame rates are not what I would consider to be smooth gameplay. This got me thinking... I wonder how many people actually have monitors with that resolution. So I created a poll on this forum to see what everyone is playing at: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2186935 Go vote!

[H] tests at "maximum playable settings". For them that's typically ~40fps. If a card can do 2560*1600 playable, then lower resolutions aren't going to be a problem. That's what makes their reviews useful, IMO. Why just repeat the same measurements as everyone else?

When they do their apples to apples comparisons they are at 1920*1080 4xAA to give a more "industry standard" measurement. If that's the only settings you want to run that's fine, but if you'd like to see what the limits of a card is, then read [H].