Deus Ex Performance Thread

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AnandThenMan

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Or "any other way" to somehow make AMD cards look better than they really are.
A card performing best at the highest resolution and settings is "making AMD cards look better than they really are"? Seriously? I always thought the most demanding resolutions and settings serve to weed out the weaker hardware. :sneaky:

But by all means, buy a top end card and run it at medium settings on a 1680x1050 monitor, makes perfect sense.
 

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I was under the impression Kyle only used WHQL drivers ? Thats changed or was never preference ?
Didn't the 11-8s come out a few days before 280.26?

To be fair, the preview 11.8s and the 11.8s scored the same and i used the preview driver in my own Performance analysis for the HIS HD 6770 (as i was lazy) although i used the WHQLs for the HD 6970


My 6990 is working again. Putting it in another MB as AMD suggested, cured its artifacting in the original board. And i just got a Deus Ex Steam Key from AMD .. good thing i got most of my writing done for this week.
 

3DVagabond

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AMD is getting more and more aggressive and is starting to pull nvidia style guerrilla tactics on the huge new PC game releases.

The 6970 is about 10% faster in Deus HX: HR and over $100 cheaper.





Looks like gaming evolved is evolving into AMD's version of twimtbp.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution With AMD at SDCC 2011


Away from the benchmark flexing, this game is amazing. Nice to see a PC franchise done some justice on the PC rather than trashed for consoles like some others (Crysis 2)


At real high settings the 6970 and 580 typically really close. ~10% more for the 6970 doesn't show any major crippling on nVidia hardware. I agree with those that say after driver optimizations for the nVidia cards performance should fall more into line with what's generally "typical".

Those that are saying nVidia will pwn AMD though, haven't read comparisons at these high settings.
 

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My 6990 is working again. Putting it in another MB as AMD suggested, cured its artifacting in the original board. And i just got a Deus Ex Steam Key from AMD .. good thing i got most of my writing done for this week.

Are you going to add the 6990 and 590 to your catalyst performance analysis?
 

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It is funny how people switch opinions about lock out, proprietary tech and 3d between 2 games.
 

apoppin

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What board was it that you had the problem, and what board fixed it? If you don't mind me asking.
i hadn't used my HD 6990 for a couple of months while i evaluated 3D Vision and i stuck it back in over the weekend to do my Catalyst 11.8 Performance Analysis as i originally intended to run it against the GTX 590 and GF 280.26.

Well, it began artifacting immediately - in the same x58 MB and with the same HDD that it worked perfectly 2 months previously. Changing drivers did nothing and the temperatures were good. It would artifact on the desktop and launching a 3D app would BSoD the entire system.

i contacted AMD who suggested that i stick it in another MB saying, "we sometimes have that issue." i put it into my Phenom II 980 BE system and it worked fine. Then i put it back into my X58 system and it works great again!


Magic only AMD knew about. And they just sent me a Deus Ex: HR key, evidently for figuring it out. And now you know.
:whiste:

Are you going to add the 6990 and 590 to your catalyst performance analysis?
i got it working right after i published the analysis. Next month. i have a review to write now (iTwin) while DeuSex is downloading ... then i will be 'busy' for about 25 hours.
 
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happy medium

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I was at the Templar Catherdral ,where you had to access the computer for Morgan.
Hours ?I dont know, I unisatalled it, waste of drive space.

Its freaking boring.
 

96Firebird

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If you really feel that way I think you'd be better served selling your PC and just going full console. Xbox 360 is this way ---->

Yes, because everyone who doesn't share the same taste in games as Grooveriding doesn't deserve a gaming PC.

D:
 

AnandThenMan

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And you love the game for other reasons? Funny how we can judge other people...
I have not had a chance to play the game yet, so I can't say. But looking forward to it, from all the previews and reviews out there, it looks like a very solid title.

As for "judging" other people, some posters here have very clear motives, it's not hard to predict their responses.
 

apoppin

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I have not had a chance to play the game yet, so I can't say. But looking forward to it, from all the previews and reviews out there, it looks like a very solid title.

As for "judging" other people, some posters here have very clear motives, it's not hard to predict their responses.
And some people are predicting your response. And so it goes.
:whiste:

What most posters don't realize is that AMD and Nvidia have both advanced PC gaming more than any other two companies.

And i am D/L'ing DeuSex now. Thanks to AMD, i got a key ...
:thumbsup:

See you in a couple of days. Play games more; argue less
(imo)

peace 'n aloha
 

BrentJ

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I was under the impression Kyle only used WHQL drivers ? Thats changed or was never preference ?

We use what drivers are publicly available, whether the most recent is beta or whql, doesn't matter, as long as its out for public consumption. Typically NV releases Beta drivers, and AMD releases hot fixes or preview drivers, as long as they are on the website (and in the case of 11.8 Preview they are), we use em, cause they are the better driver to use. AMD recommends 11.8 for this game. There is no difference between 11.8 preview and whql in performance. Our full evaluation will use 11.8 WHQL since its the latest, and the latest NV driver.

That's possible, but the point I was trying to make was that the settings they were using were, IMO, creating frame rates not as smooth as most people would like the game to run at while playing. And since I believe most people would rather have average frame rates in the 50's and 60's, why aren't they testing games to achieve those settings? It's really annoying to me. There has only been two games - Crysis 1 and Warhead - that felt smooth to me at 35-40 fps, and that was only because of the excessive motion blur both games used.

Whats playable to someone, is not necessarily playable to another, we know that, but generally between 30-40FPS is playable to most people. We look at each game we test, and figure out what range of FPS feels most comfortable, sometimes you need higher FPS in a game, sometimes lower fps is acceptable, depends on the game. As we play through this full game of Dues Ex, we will figure this out, so far, its looking like framerates on the higher side of things are preferred. We always include apples-to-apples settings in all of these evaluations also, so you can compare that way, if you like.

[H] tests at "maximum playable settings". For them that's typically ~40fps. If a card can do 2560*1600 playable, then lower resolutions aren't going to be a problem. That's what makes their reviews useful, IMO. Why just repeat the same measurements as everyone else?

When they do their apples to apples comparisons they are at 1920*1080 4xAA to give a more "industry standard" measurement. If that's the only settings you want to run that's fine, but if you'd like to see what the limits of a card is, then read [H].

Yep, we like to push these cards to their max, often that means running at 2560x1600. Only this way, can we tell which one delivers the best experience and allows the highest settings. But we also test at lower resolutions, and will often mention playable settings at lower resolutions.

When we do our gameplay evals, we always test at 2560x1600, 1920x1200 and 1680x1050, so people will see across these three resolutions, what you can expect in the game, and from that, you should be able to figure out other resolutions. We of course also use more cards in our full evaluation.

We've gained a lot of info about the game today, and are diving into more info in detail, so stay tuned for our full eval, it will be informative.
 
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tviceman

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Nvidia hasn't smoked AMD since the 8800GTX days. Keep your fingers crossed though, I know some threads can be rough to digest.

Ah yes, I forgot that being 25% faster in some of the most popular games no longer counts as "smoking the competition" unless it's comparing Intel CPU's to AMD CPU's. Nvidia must be a generation ahead at all times or they are failing. And everything you predicted, linked, and gloated about for weeks in leading up to the hd6970 release, including it costing $500 and being the world's fastest single gpu came true also.
 

happy medium

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If you really feel that way I think you'd be better served selling your PC and just going full console. Xbox 360 is this way ---->

Na, I've owned one allready, I just go over my brothers house and beat his butt on his. I can't stand the controller though.
 

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I have not had a chance to play the game yet

I just wanted to save you some money, really. Wait for a Steam sale, its worth mabe 18$.
The graphics are nice though.

edit: I'd sell you my copy but I gave it to my neighbor for a 16gb flash drive.
 
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ViRGE

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A card performing best at the highest resolution and settings is "making AMD cards look better than they really are"? Seriously? I always thought the most demanding resolutions and settings serve to weed out the weaker hardware. :sneaky:
Under most titles AMD gains on NVIDIA as the resolution increases; or in other words the performance hit for increasing your resolution is more expensive on an NVIDIA card than it is an AMD card. So the gap between the two is dependent on the resolution tested. I would still expect AMD to have a lead at lower resolutions based on the data, but there's no way to be sure short of actually testing those lower resolutions (though all the high-end cards should easily deliver >60fps at 1080P).
 
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