Deutsche Bank confirms it has Trump's tax returns...and will release them

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fskimospy

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Again if you stopped requiring positive affirmation about your team loyalties all the time this would be easier. I don't support Trump, never have, didn't vote for him, would be happy if he was no longer POTUS, and plan to vote Buttigieg in the Dem primaries in 2020. I swear you guys require a ritualistic denunciation of Trump in every post before you turn your brains on and it's fucking annoying.

AND with all the above being said, I repeat what I said in my post - I highly doubt there's anything in the DB disclosures that will even move the needle in terms of either him getting impeached or re-elected. *Perhaps* there will be something revealed which mildly embarrasses him for a news cycle or two (if he's capable of being embarrassed) but even that's probably unlikely.

If after the years of him saying the most incredibly outrageous/stupid/inflammatory things and acting like a general dumbass before and after his election, you want to believe that his tax returns are going to be what finally does him in, then have at that belief. Personally I think that a man who survived "grab 'em by the pussy," and "nuke the hurricane," and every other stupid thing he's done won't even be inconvenienced in his Presidency or reelection by his tax returns.

It doesn't matter though. Even if his tax returns are 100% above board it is vital to the country to establish the principle that the president cannot hide his financial conflicts of interest from oversight. It shouldn't even be a question.
 
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glenn1

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How about in the meantime Congress stripping away any power Trump has related in dealing with Russia.

Unsure how exactly that would work given Article 2 outlines the presidential powers including being CINC of the armed forces, negotiating treaties, appointing ambassadors, etc.

I'd have no problem with your idea in theory but have no idea how it would work in practice.
 

glenn1

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It doesn't matter though. Even if his tax returns are 100% above board it is vital to the country to establish the principle that the president cannot hide his financial conflicts of interest from oversight. It shouldn't even be a question.

Nobody including me is arguing that point, so I guess we can dispense with the idea that somehow this is going to be the magic bullet that removes Trump from office or means he'll lose reelection because of his tax returns?
 
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pretty sure most everyone is safe you retard. Very few people will be in the running for president of the united states. Unless you think that now that president piss baby will have to release his financials your fast food window server is gonna have to because of what? Your brain worms?

Let’s not forget the last Democrat Candidate posted nearly all of her tax returns online in a fucking searchable data base.
Which she still got shit on for doing because all the deplorable’s can’t fucking read.
 

glenn1

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Let’s not forget the last Democrat Candidate posted nearly all of her tax returns online in a fucking searchable data base.
Which she still got shit on for doing because all the deplorable’s can’t fucking read.

I guess voters had other reasons for not pulling the lever for her. Completely unforeseeable that could have happened.
 
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I guess voters had other reasons for not pulling the lever for her. Completely unforeseeable that could have happened.

It is disingenuous to say leaking of tax returns could become the norm.
Because every candidate from #bothsides have released a reasonable amount of their tax returns until President Trump.
I fear not releasing them could become the norm far more.
 

UNCjigga

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They issued him a loan signed by Russian oligarchs. That doesn’t concern you in the least given his co duct towards Russia since he’s been in office?

Let's see where this leads... Conspiracy theory says DB never actually fronted the money for this loan...since Trump had stiffed then in the past. Instead, the money came from Russia and was then laundered in the US through Trump's businesses.

I dunno...right now this thread is woefully short on facts. I haven't read through all the court transcripts or DB's letter to the judge yet... Will have to wait and see what comes out.
 

Perknose

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Well, my darned logical side of my brain just had to kick in.
Don't be afraid of this new found feeling. Remember, there's a first time for everything.

So, what if a Russian oligarch did cosign for Trump or the Trump organization before he became president...was it illegal?
And you're back!
 

Greenman

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I'm to believe that a rich Russian guy promised a German bank he would pay back Trumps loan if Trump didn't? Right, because that happens all the time.

If this happened, it was part of a business transaction involving more than just a loan.
 
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I'm to believe that a rich Russian guy promised a German bank he would pay back Trumps loan if Trump didn't? Right, because that happens all the time.

If this happened, it was part of a business transaction involving more than just a loan.
Yeah. We are seeing the other side of that agreement daily.
 
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ivwshane

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I'm to believe that a rich Russian guy promised a German bank he would pay back Trumps loan if Trump didn't? Right, because that happens all the time.

If this happened, it was part of a business transaction involving more than just a loan.

Yeah, no shit it was part of a larger business transaction. Are you aware of what that transaction entails? No? Then shouldn't you be the least bit concerned about it or are you one of those, "I trust trump" types?
 

fskimospy

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Nobody including me is arguing that point, so I guess we can dispense with the idea that somehow this is going to be the magic bullet that removes Trump from office or means he'll lose reelection because of his tax returns?

I mean it would depend on what is in them. There's no way to know anything until we know what's in them. If it's just that he's not as rich as he claims then no, that won't matter much other than embarrassing him but there's a non-trivial chance that they could uncover significant and ongoing tax fraud that is within the statute of limitations. I think that would move the needle if for no other reason that it would make it public information that he would be undeniably vulnerable to prosecution upon leaving office.
 

Greenman

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Yeah. We are seeing the other side of that agreement daily.
Because the Russian guy knew Trump was going to be elected even though every single poll showed Hillary winning?

I understand the need to vilify someone you don't like, and Trump is about as unlikable as they get, but this is all rumor. As a rule banks don't discuss loans with the media, the people getting the loans don't like it.
 

zinfamous

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For some reason the left seems to think that if the public knew Trump was only worth $300mm instead of $100B or something, they'll refuse to vote for him in 2020. Or that there will be a line item on his 1040 form saying "tax deductible bribe from Vladimir Putin, $10mm."

Should Trump have released his tax returns long ago? Of course. Is there going to be something in there which will be straightforward rationale to impeach or cause him to lose the election, no. Do I care if they're released and he's embarrassed, likewise no. This reminds me of the Bill Clinton days and right wing dipshits wanted to release Bubba's medical files because they were sure he had an STD and that would be what caused him to lose the election. It was stupid then, and it's likewise stupid now.

This is the constitutionally-required job of Congress. Shame that you don't understand that.
 

zinfamous

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So, what if a Russian oligarch did cosign for Trump or the Trump organization before he became president...was it illegal?

lol, the current, bed-waiting state of dumbfuck self-hating rightwingers these days, folks!

replace "Trump" with "Obama" in that statement and they'd be tripping over themselves running for a noose and a tree.
 
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I'm to believe that a rich Russian guy promised a German bank he would pay back Trumps loan if Trump didn't? Right, because that happens all the time.

If this happened, it was part of a business transaction involving more than just a loan.

What do you mean? You don’t offer to pay your Bro’s write offs?


Oh wait....
 
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Because the Russian guy knew Trump was going to be elected even though every single poll showed Hillary winning?

I understand the need to vilify someone you don't like, and Trump is about as unlikable as they get, but this is all rumor. As a rule banks don't discuss loans with the media, the people getting the loans don't like it.
And they couldn’t have looked to invest in someone they knew had both aspirations of becoming president AND extraordinary access to people of significant power? They couldn’t have known of the lengths the Russian government would go to help support this individual? Then when it really paid off they couldn’t have used that exposure to get even more influence?

You might want to reflect a little internally at your lack of vision before chiding everyone else. This is what Russia is known for doing. They take chances everywhere. With Trump they had a return no matter what. Now they just got more than they could have hoped for.
 
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fskimospy

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Because the Russian guy knew Trump was going to be elected even though every single poll showed Hillary winning?

I understand the need to vilify someone you don't like, and Trump is about as unlikable as they get, but this is all rumor. As a rule banks don't discuss loans with the media, the people getting the loans don't like it.

If this actually happened you would have to be extraordinarily naive to think it was simply a business transaction considering all the available information about Trump and the Russians.
 

HomerJS

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Because the Russian guy knew Trump was going to be elected even though every single poll showed Hillary winning?

I understand the need to vilify someone you don't like, and Trump is about as unlikable as they get, but this is all rumor. As a rule banks don't discuss loans with the media, the people getting the loans don't like it.
Win-win for the Oligarchs. Even if Trump lost they can still use him to launder money. Makes sense

BTW - Banks don't discuss this, someone leaked info to reporter. That's what happens when the leader is a complete shit.
 

cytg111

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Again if you stopped requiring positive affirmation about your team loyalties all the time this would be easier. I don't support Trump, never have, didn't vote for him, would be happy if he was no longer POTUS, and plan to vote Buttigieg in the Dem primaries in 2020. I swear you guys require a ritualistic denunciation of Trump in every post before you turn your brains on and it's fucking annoying.

AND with all the above being said, I repeat what I said in my post - I highly doubt there's anything in the DB disclosures that will even move the needle in terms of either him getting impeached or re-elected. *Perhaps* there will be something revealed which mildly embarrasses him for a news cycle or two (if he's capable of being embarrassed) but even that's probably unlikely.

If after the years of him saying the most incredibly outrageous/stupid/inflammatory things and acting like a general dumbass before and after his election, you want to believe that his tax returns are going to be what finally does him in, then have at that belief. Personally I think that a man who survived "grab 'em by the pussy," and "nuke the hurricane," and every other stupid thing he's done won't even be inconvenienced in his Presidency or reelection by his tax returns.

But you understand what it means that your Pres is financially compromised by your biggest geo political adversary right? (or it used to be until Trump took office) .. That should chill all of you the fuck off to approx zero degree Kelvin, give or take a few degrees. I mean, just how wholly owned were Trump before he decided to run for pres?
 

zinfamous

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Nobody including me is arguing that point, so I guess we can dispense with the idea that somehow this is going to be the magic bullet that removes Trump from office or means he'll lose reelection because of his tax returns?

so, what are you bitching about, then? Should we see that information or not?

Ignore the reasons for which you think other people demand them. If you agree that it is important to know these things, then I don't see any reason for arguing here.
 

cytg111

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Because the Russian guy knew Trump was going to be elected even though every single poll showed Hillary winning?

I understand the need to vilify someone you don't like, and Trump is about as unlikable as they get, but this is all rumor. As a rule banks don't discuss loans with the media, the people getting the loans don't like it.

Not with a 100% certainty no.. But you guys still look at all this like a chess game that only has one round and one opening move.
I repeat : Game of incomplete information.
Some plays pay off, others dont. Given the pot odds, to move a few bucks on square Trump was a nobrainer.
 
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