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michal1980

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So GOP thinks FBI is their KGB, there to just go after their political enemies?

The dems used the IRS to go after their enemies. Seems like the Obama admin has a history of coming up just short of being able to prosecute its thugs.
 
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michal1980

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Yeah, I'm a Canadian shill for someone who under most circumstances I would *not* vote for. Same goes for her husband who I actually kinda despise for a few reasons.

Sorry to have interrupted your whine and cheese party regarding Hillary. Continue to be the outraged whatever it is that you figure you are.

1) You are a shill.
2) you probably believe that Bill screwing an intern was still part of a vast right wing conspiracy.
 
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1) You are a shill.
2) you probably believe that Bill screwing an intern was still part of a vast right wing conspiracy.

1) why the hell would I, being Canadian, "shill" for an American politician that I don't particularly care for.

2) good grief you truly are thick as a brick. Bill Clinton screwing an intern was Bill Clinton screwing an intern. How the hell an investigation into Whitewater became an investigation into his sex life might be another story.
 

Starbuck1975

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FBI is not there to re-write laws for Congressional Republicans to jail their political enemies. Sorry. If Republicans want the FBI to be politicized, they should be careful what they wish for, because it's a two way street.
Gross negligence is the minimum threshold of the law. Granted there is no precedent of anyone facing federal charges simply for gross negligence, and many more people than Hillary Clinton are guilty of it. Usually if someone faces federal charges for mishandling of classified information, they've also crossed the intent to harm threshold.

Words have meaning, which is probably why Comey deliberately used the term "extremely careless." I don't blame him for not wanting to jeopardize the integrity of the FBI with Clinton being the first major political figure facing federal charges simply for gross negligence.

However, as you pointed out, it is not up to the FBI to interpret the law. I believe Comey needs to differentiate between extremely careless and gross negligence, as it does set a precedent.

Or we could just update the laws to reflect modern forms of communication.
 

FerrelGeek

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Ahahahaha!!! Yes, you are throwing a temper tantrum.

Whatever blows your dress up, kid. I've already stated that I knew she'd never be indicted, so I wasn't surprised OR even remotely angry. tbh, I find the whole thing pathetically laughable. Hillary's defense - I was just too f*cking stupid to know that what I was doing was wrong! And she's going to be our next president. You couldn't write a better comic tragedy if you tried. So for the last time, I'm not angry. In fact, I'm smiling as I write this. I'd actually like to apply to be one of your handlers. I'd enjoy slapping you when you forget to breathe or when you look up into a pouring rain with your mouth open and start to drown.
 

Blackjack200

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So, let's imagine for a moment that an FBI director, who happens to be a Democrat, in announcing that there is insufficient evidence to charge the Republican Party's candidate for president with any crime, offered his unneeded and inappropriate opinions about her "extreme carelessness" among other criticisms in a 15 minute press conference.

Yeah, it'd be a fucking meltdown.
 

ivwshane

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Whatever blows your dress up, kid. I've already stated that I knew she'd never be indicted, so I wasn't surprised OR even remotely angry. tbh, I find the whole thing pathetically laughable. Hillary's defense - I was just too f*cking stupid to know that what I was doing was wrong! And she's going to be our next president. You couldn't write a better comic tragedy if you tried. So for the last time, I'm not angry. In fact, I'm smiling as I write this. I'd actually like to apply to be one of your handlers. I'd enjoy slapping you when you forget to breathe or when you look up into a pouring rain with your mouth open and start to drown.

It looks like you've got some serious issues kid. Good luck with that!
 

emperus

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So, let's imagine for a moment that an FBI director, who happens to be a Democrat, in announcing that there is insufficient evidence to charge the Republican Party's candidate for president with any crime, offered his unneeded and inappropriate opinions about her "extreme carelessness" among other criticisms in a 15 minute press conference.

Yeah, it'd be a fucking meltdown.

Yeah, I agree with this. Reheard the whole announcement and it was unnecessary. I think he definitely burnished his Republican credentials by doing that. It leads me to believe that there was definitely no way he was going to indict her, that the case wasn't very strong and he threw his party a bone in case he wants to run for something in the future.

By the way, I think he said he found ~100 emails in 52 email chains out of 30,000 emails that were classified(around .33%). I think 8 were top secret. I would like to see more stats on this. Were the 8 emails top secret on the same issue? Again, I think it was silly for her to set up a server but I also think people are over-dramatizing this. It's actually surprising that the amount of classified emails is so low.
 
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This is the part I take issue with. I can see not pressing charges, but it really seems like others in this position would be stripped of eligibility to receive security clearance, especially to the level of POTUS.

This is all under consideration that Comey's report paints a worse picture than what Hillary or her supporters have been insisting. The FBI says that there were dozens of e-mails classified at the time of transmission, including several at Top Secret classification. This shoots down any claims that Hillary is merely the victim of over-classification or that up-classification shouldn't apply retroactively to insecure storage. The FBI also says that there were work-related e-mails that could only be retrieved by a pain-staking piecing of fragments from a decommissioned server. Meaning that the e-mails turned over by Hillary were not in fact complete, so she is guilty of not turning over the appropriate material. Which also contained e-mails that were classified at the time of transmission.

Furthermore, Hillary's attorneys used their own discretion and methodologies to selectively turn over the e-mails, and the FBI has deemed these methods to be insufficient. They also say that it's likely that they weren't able to examine all the e-mail content. I also think this is pretty likely. Should her concerns of privacy from the government ever outweighed an investigation that had national security implications?

I work with a government contractor and we regularly have to train for how to handle classified and sensitive but unclassified data, and I'm really confident that if I were caught in a situation like this I wouldn't get off without any repercussions.
"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
 

Blackjack200

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Yeah, I agree with this. Reheard the whole announcement and it was unnecessary. I think he definitely burnished his Republican credentials by doing that. It leads me to believe that there was definitely no way he was going to indict her, that the case wasn't very strong and he threw his party a bone in case he wants to run for something in the future.

By the way, I think he said he found ~100 emails in 52 email chains out of 30,000 emails that were classified(around .33%). I think 8 were top secret. I would like to see more stats on this. Were the 8 emails top secret on the same issue? Again, I think it was silly for her to set up a server but I also think people are over-dramatizing this. It's actually surprising that the amount of classified emails is so low.

And where is the "Liberal" "Lamestream Media" questioning this? The only criticism I've seen so far is from Alan Dershowitz of all people (who was also criticizing the FBI for providing a recommendation in the first place, say that an investigative body should only be finding facts and turning them over to prosecutors to make that call).

I'm not sure that Comey really set himself up for anything. Republicans are outraged that Clinton is not being charged with Treason or Sedition or something. I think he was just trying to insulate himself a little bit.
 

Jhhnn

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And where is the "Liberal" "Lamestream Media" questioning this? The only criticism I've seen so far is from Alan Dershowitz of all people (who was also criticizing the FBI for providing a recommendation in the first place, say that an investigative body should only be finding facts and turning them over to prosecutors to make that call).

I'm not sure that Comey really set himself up for anything. Republicans are outraged that Clinton is not being charged with Treason or Sedition or something. I think he was just trying to insulate himself a little bit.

I merely accept his judgments as honest criticism. It doesn't really matter in the greater scheme of things. Hillary is off the hook & there's nothing that the Faithful can do to change that other than try to justify their erroneous belief in their own minds. They've done it many times from Whitewater forward. They'll obviously do it again.
 
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A few notable and now proven lies regarding this matter:

"I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email." - Hillary Clinton (March 10, 2015)

"Let me repeat what I have repeated for many months now. I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified." - Hillary Clinton (July 2, 2016)

"No information in Clinton’s emails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them." - Hillary Clinton's campaign website

"I, Hillary Rodham Clinton, declare under penalty of perjury that the following is true and correct . . . I have directed all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records be provided to the Department of State and on information and belief, this has been done. - Hillary Clinton (August 8, 2015)

"Every one of the more than 60,000 emails were read. Period." - Hillary Clinton (March 14, 2015)

"This is a security review that was requested. It is being carried out. It will be resolved." - Hillary Clinton (Feb. 4, 2016)

"It wasn’t the best choice. I made a mistake. It was not prohibited. It was not in any way disallowed. And as I have said and as now has come out, my predecessors did the same thing and many other people in the government." - Hillary Clinton (March 9, 2016)
 

Jhhnn

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A few notable and now proven lies regarding this matter:

"I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email." - Hillary Clinton (March 10, 2015)

"Let me repeat what I have repeated for many months now. I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified." - Hillary Clinton (July 2, 2016)

"No information in Clinton’s emails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them." - Hillary Clinton's campaign website

"I, Hillary Rodham Clinton, declare under penalty of perjury that the following is true and correct . . . I have directed all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records be provided to the Department of State and on information and belief, this has been done. - Hillary Clinton (August 8, 2015)

"Every one of the more than 60,000 emails were read. Period." - Hillary Clinton (March 14, 2015)

"This is a security review that was requested. It is being carried out. It will be resolved." - Hillary Clinton (Feb. 4, 2016)

"It wasn’t the best choice. I made a mistake. It was not prohibited. It was not in any way disallowed. And as I have said and as now has come out, my predecessors did the same thing and many other people in the government." - Hillary Clinton (March 9, 2016)

You could start a Gofundme site for crying towels. I'll contribute. Honest.
 

wetech

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You could start a Gofundme site for crying towels. I'll contribute. Honest.

So you have no problem with the blatant lying and misleading of the public she's done over the last 16 months? Literally every explanation Hillary and her campaign have put forth was an outright lie. And please don't say that all politicians lie.


Also, Hillary 2011:
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I think that in an age where so much information is flying through cyberspace, we all have to be aware of the fact that some information which is sensitive, which does affect the security of individuals and relationships, deserves to be protected and we will continue to take necessary steps to do so

But again, that only applies to the little people.
 

Jhhnn

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So you have no problem with the blatant lying and misleading of the public she's done over the last 16 months? Literally every explanation Hillary and her campaign have put forth was an outright lie. And please don't say that all politicians lie.


Also, Hillary 2011:
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But again, that only applies to the little people.

Monogrammed commemorative crying towels. They'll be a collector's item.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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A few notable and now proven lies regarding this matter:

So you have no problem with the blatant lying and misleading of the public she's done over the last 16 months? Literally every explanation Hillary and her campaign have put forth was an outright lie. And please don't say that all politicians lie.

Saying something that is later proven (or, at least, in this case, alleged to be) false, does not make the original statement a lie. The very low proportion of emails Comey claims contained classified information suggests that Clinton was avoiding sending classified information through that server.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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Man. There are a few grade A hyper-partisan jackasses on this forum but you seriously take the cake.

A grade A hyper-partisan jackass would be someone that cannot accept the FBI director's decision on an investigation and opens a congressional inquiry for naked political purposes.

Another in a long line of politically motivated investigations by the abuse-of-power specialists in congress.
 

Artdeco

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Saying something that is later proven (or, at least, in this case, alleged to be) false, does not make the original statement a lie. The very low proportion of emails Comey claims contained classified information suggests that Clinton was avoiding sending classified information through that server.

So it was a "little" lie. LOL.
 
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You could start a Gofundme site for crying towels. I'll contribute. Honest.
Although I have plenty of unanswered questions, there's no crying here as I pretty much expected the outcome. Question. Does my pointing out her proven lies on this matter somehow threaten that little bubble you live in? I can't imagine the level of rationalization and self-deception one must endure to see the world as you do.
 

dainthomas

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A few notable and now proven lies regarding this matter:

"I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email." - Hillary Clinton (March 10, 2015)

"Let me repeat what I have repeated for many months now. I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified." - Hillary Clinton (July 2, 2016)

"No information in Clinton’s emails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them." - Hillary Clinton's campaign website

"I, Hillary Rodham Clinton, declare under penalty of perjury that the following is true and correct . . . I have directed all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records be provided to the Department of State and on information and belief, this has been done. - Hillary Clinton (August 8, 2015)

"Every one of the more than 60,000 emails were read. Period." - Hillary Clinton (March 14, 2015)

"This is a security review that was requested. It is being carried out. It will be resolved." - Hillary Clinton (Feb. 4, 2016)

"It wasn’t the best choice. I made a mistake. It was not prohibited. It was not in any way disallowed. And as I have said and as now has come out, my predecessors did the same thing and many other people in the government." - Hillary Clinton (March 9, 2016)

Do you remember everything in the last thirty thousand emails you sent?
 

Artdeco

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