Development on Clinton Email Probe?

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werepossum

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So failing to follow employer's guidelines should be handled by the FBI? If it is more than that, it doesn't matter that the state department changes their guidelines, Powell and Rice are just as guilty.

Considering the first place we looked, we found that every SoS that used e-mail at least used some private e-mail. I am sure this is pretty widespread among the political elite. I say it is time to investigate every, cabinet member, admin staff, congressman and judge from 1995 on to make sure they weren't doing the same.
Um, no. Rice used the appropriate State email exclusively, but very seldom used email. Powell also used the State account almost exclusively. What Hillary did bears zero relationship to her predecessors.

Still debating the level of security with a Hclinton@,,.GOV and a Hclinton@,,.NET server? There is none except the GOV one gets a hundred more hacking attempts then the other one. And if you think about it when does the Government up to date anything.
This kind of stupid deserves to be quoted.
 
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fskimospy

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Um, no. Rice used the appropriate State email exclusively, but very seldom used email. Powell also used the State account exclusively. What Hillary did bears zero relationship to her predecessors.

This kind of stupid deserves to be quoted.

Powell most certainly did not use the state account exclusively. Where are you getting that from? He has in fact explicitly stated that he used his own private email because he thought State's email system sucked.
 

glenn1

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There's no fear, it's a regret for a lost opportunity. There is no other independent thinker anywhere in sight. I realize that you having a conservative brain don't really care. You want the status quo, two parties beating each other and offering garbage. As a whole people don't think Hillary or Trump will make a good President, even if true it doesn't matter, well to some people.

LOL, the Democrats have rejected the "independent thinker" every election for decades. Bernie Sanders is simply the latest avatar of the progressive left. Before Bernie it was Kucinich, before that Howard Dean, Jerry Brown before that, etc.
 

emperus

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So, they trolled the Republicans. Basically took it out of the hands of the DOJ and the FBI made the call. He basically said they couldn't find a case in history like this that justified charges. Also said does not believe a reasonable prosecutor would pursue this. I think this ties it up in a bow. Waiting for all those who said that this was illegal to start eating crow.
 

TheVrolok

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There is an audible rumble as the heads of am radio listeners explode all across the nation.
 

werepossum

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Powell most certainly did not use the state account exclusively. Where are you getting that from? He has in fact explicitly stated that he used his own private email because he thought State's email system sucked.
Sorry, I should not have said exclusively. Powell had two separate computers during his tenure. In his words:
http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/252863-colin-powell-i-used-two-computers-at-state
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday he used two computers while leading the department, one for transmitting sensitive material and another for emailing “housekeeping stuff.”

“I had a secure State Department machine for secure material and I had a laptop that I could use for email. I would email relatives, friends, but I would also email in the department,” Powell explained on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
“But it was mostly housekeeping stuff -- what’s the status of this paper, what’s going on here.”

Powell, a Republican who served in the George W. Bush administration, has spoken before about his two computers, and said he wrote an entire chapter about it in his book.
I actually posted a better link where he says that "practically all" of his official business went through his State Department account. If you want to search Anandtech, you can find it. I too was taken in by the many media accounts implying that Powell used a commercial account in the same way Hillary used her own private server.

It's also worth pointing out that Powell's private email account was used on a government laptop, maintained by the government's IT department and turned over to them when he left. That greatly reduces the chances for corruption.
 

Jaskalas

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Waiting for all those who said that this was illegal to start eating crow.

Yes... clearly it's legal to transmit confidential, classified, secret, and TOP SECRET information over private servers without government security. How many dozens of people are in prison today for lesser handling of classified information? They'd like to get the same NEW legal precedent as has been "established" today.

They'd sure hate to think that they're sitting in prison for doing something deemed legal.
 

emperus

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Yes... clearly it's legal to transmit confidential, classified, secret, and TOP SECRET information over private servers without government security. How many dozens of people are in prison today for lesser handling of classified information? They'd like to get the same NEW legal precedent as has been "established" today.

They'd sure hate to think that they're sitting in prison for doing something deemed legal.

I guess you're more of an expert and have more knowledge on the situation than the FBI director. I guess doubling down on ignorance is a prerequisite of your party.
 

werepossum

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Yes... clearly it's legal to transmit confidential, classified, secret, and TOP SECRET information over private servers without government security. How many dozens of people are in prison today for lesser handling of classified information? They'd like to get the same NEW legal precedent as has been "established" today.

They'd sure hate to think that they're sitting in prison for doing something deemed legal.
I'm sure that President Hildabeast will pardon all those people out of simple fairness. Just like Bill stopped prosecuting federal workers caught having affairs with underlings after he was caught having an affair with an underling.

Oh, wait . . .
 

brycejones

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Waiting for all those who said that this was illegal to start eating crow.

No it will be the double down effect. If Hillary wins in November expect a full court press that we need a "fuller" investigation and an independent counsel appointed to do it. The cost will only $15-20M.
 

Knowing

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John Deutch was pardoned for having classified on a government laptop designated for unclass.

Hillary's server wasn't even government. Comey said any "reasonable person" would have known the information was classified. If there was no crime, why pardon Deutch?
 

dainthomas

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Looks like she's just getting off with a scolding.

Ridiculous! What do you think would happen to any of us if we failed to follow our employers' newly implemented email procedure?!?!!?

Oh right, the same thing.

Back to Benghazi I guess.
 

fskimospy

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Sorry, I should not have said exclusively. Powell had two separate computers during his tenure. In his words:
http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/252863-colin-powell-i-used-two-computers-at-state

I actually posted a better link where he says that "practically all" of his official business went through his State Department account. If you want to search Anandtech, you can find it. I too was taken in by the many media accounts implying that Powell used a commercial account in the same way Hillary used her own private server.

It's also worth pointing out that Powell's private email account was used on a government laptop, maintained by the government's IT department and turned over to them when he left. That greatly reduces the chances for corruption.

The distinction between a private server and third party private email are important but the distinction of using a separate system to transmit classified information isn't, as Clinton wasn't using hers for classified stuff either. (And if you're going to say she transmitted stuff that was later determined to be classified so did Powell)
 

fskimospy

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John Deutch was pardoned for having classified on a government laptop designated for unclass.

Hillary's server wasn't even government. Comey said any "reasonable person" would have known the information was classified. If there was no crime, why pardon Deutch?

It is pretty hilarious that you're using the example of someone the DOJ declined to press charges against in order to complain about the DOJ not pressing charges.

Odd that you mentioned Clinton's pardon but not the earlier DOJ decision not to prosecute. Considering we are discussing DOJ's decision not to prosecute don't you think that was relevant information?
 

werepossum

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The distinction between a private server and third party private email are important but the distinction of using a separate system to transmit classified information isn't, as Clinton wasn't using hers for classified stuff either. (And if you're going to say she transmitted stuff that was later determined to be classified so did Powell)
lol 2 to 2,200. Obviously it's the exact same thing.

So, Hillary has been vindicated. Are you willing to go on record to support her if/when she pulls a Travel Office and hires her friends to manage all her Executive Branch email on a private server?
 

Guurn

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Looks like I was wrong or the corruption goes deep. Either way we are in for a bad time.
 

Knowing

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Oh man, the memory hole is strong in this thread.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...lary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
FBI investigators have also read all of the approximately 30,000 e-mails provided by Secretary Clinton to the State Department in December 2014. Where an e-mail was assessed as possibly containing classified information, the FBI referred the e-mail to any U.S. government agency that was a likely “owner” of information in the e-mail, so that agency could make a determination as to whether the e-mail contained classified information at the time it was sent or received, or whether there was reason to classify the e-mail now, even if its content was not classified at the time it was sent (that is the process sometimes referred to as “up-classifying&#8221.

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
 

Starbuck1975

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Waiting for all those who said that this was illegal to start eating crow.
Why does anyone need to eat crow? I am very satisfied with Comey's comments. Intent is very difficult to prove. More politically damaging is evidence of gross negligence and I dare say arrogance. You left out the best part:

"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information," he said, "there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

The wording is important. Comey isn't a partisan hack. They did not find CLEAR evidence, which means not enough to justify an indictment. However, the IG report and now the FBI findings are consistent with the narrative around how the Clinton's manage things.
 
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