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blankslate

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As I said, 25 years and it obviously works.

In case you weren't paying attention the TPP is 6 years old at most. So I don't know where you are getting this 25 years old crap. Hillary's support for the TPP is worrisome enough... and real enough that you don't even need to think of any fake controversies.


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And let the hearings begin! Wonder if they have enough time between now and the election to surpass the number of Benghazi hearings.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statep...linton-email-probe-b99756586z1-385594691.html

House Speaker Paul Ryan said the GOP-controlled House would hold hearings on the FBI's recommendation not to seek criminal charges against Hillary Clinton and that FBI director James Comey should testify.

"There are a lot of unanswered questions here," Ryan told Megyn Kelly on Fox News Tuesday night.
 

Jaskalas

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And let the hearings begin! Wonder if they have enough time between now and the election to surpass the number of Benghazi hearings.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statep...linton-email-probe-b99756586z1-385594691.html

I checked the article, and they have a compelling question. It's what many Americans want to know.

Johnson asked the director in the letter: "What is the difference, in the FBI's view, between extreme carelessness and gross negligence?"

"From my standpoint it was unbelievably reckless for Secretary Clinton to expose America's national security information to our enemies," he said. "And she did it to circumvent the Freedom of Information Act."
 

senseamp

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So GOP thinks FBI is their KGB, there to just go after their political enemies?
 

Jhhnn

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In case you weren't paying attention the TPP is 6 years old at most. So I don't know where you are getting this 25 years old crap. Hillary's support for the TPP is worrisome enough... and real enough that you don't even need to think of any fake controversies.


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The 25 years "crap" means that for the past 25 years I've watched the Republican smear machine working 24/7 against the both Bill and Hillary Clinton. I've watched them be accused of multiple murders, drug smuggling, that Chelsea is the daughter of a man other than Bill, espionage (Bill went to the USSR when he was a college student so of course the Soviets turned him.) and all sorts more corruption unimaginable.

The end result? Folks like you thinking that they are the veritable source of all evil in the known and unknown universe when really all they happen to be are a couple of fairly typical American politicians. They seem to have the same ambitions, the same foibles/behavior patterns as pretty much anyone else doing the same shit. They're better than some and worse than others. But they get judged by standards that most folks wouldn't even consider for other politicians.

I'd suggest taking a long hard look at what you believe about her and how you might have come to hold those beliefs.
 

MrSquished

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The 25 years "crap" means that for the past 25 years I've watched the Republican smear machine working 24/7 against the both Bill and Hillary Clinton. I've watched them be accused of multiple murders, drug smuggling, that Chelsea is the daughter of a man other than Bill, espionage (Bill went to the USSR when he was a college student so of course the Soviets turned him.) and all sorts more corruption unimaginable.

The end result? Folks like you thinking that they are the veritable source of all evil in the known and unknown universe when really all they happen to be are a couple of fairly typical American politicians. They seem to have the same ambitions, the same foibles/behavior patterns as pretty much anyone else doing the same shit. They're better than some and worse than others. But they get judged by standards that most folks wouldn't even consider for other politicians.

I'd suggest taking a long hard look at what you believe about her and how you might have come to hold those beliefs.

 

senseamp

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The crimes were listed and detailed, but not acted upon.
It's a massive disconnect to be resolved.

Events were listed and detailed, no crime was found, and there was nothing to act upon.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-legal-standard-criminal-charges-225139

Extreme carelessness isn’t criminal, at least when it comes to handling classified information.
That’s the consensus of experts in national security law, who weren’t surprised that the FBI isn’t recommending an indictment for Hillary Clinton and her staff related to her use of a private email server, saying such a move would have set a bold new standard for such cases.
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“It would have been a real long-shot to shoehorn Secretary Clinton’s conduct into the existing federal criminal laws,” said Stephen Vladeck of the University of Texas School of Law. “I don’t think this was the case in which to pursue unprecedented interpretations of those statutes.”

FBI is not there to re-write laws for Congressional Republicans to jail their political enemies. Sorry. If Republicans want the FBI to be politicized, they should be careful what they wish for, because it's a two way street.
 

blankslate

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The end result? Folks like you thinking that they are the veritable source of all evil in the known and unknown universe when really all they happen to be are a couple of fairly typical American politicians

I'd suggest taking a long hard look at what you believe about her and how you might have come to hold those beliefs.

Wow you don't fucking get it do you. For the longest time there was a difference between the republican and democrat parties in terms of economic issues and how they wanted to treat the middle class.

Now more and more with recent election cycles both parties are becoming more and more wholly owned by corporate interests.

I used to say that republicans were wholly owned by corporate interests and democrats only partially so (mainly the blue-dogs). Unfortunately that is changing as banks have become too big to fail their CEO's have also become too big to jail...



You want to know what my beliefs are.

I believe that the Vince Foster conspiracy theory is fucking stupid just like the idea that people didn't land on the moon.

I believe that President Clinton should never have had an impeachment trial because trying to bring someone to court for lying about sex is one of the stupidest things that the government was involved in in the past 20 years or so.


I believe that President Clinton should get a pass on NAFTA because it was one of the first passed the country as a whole had no experience with such a thing and only one well know person was warning us about it.
Turns out Ross Perot for all his crazy ideas was right about it. And a lot of people were wrong for not believing him.

Yet we collectively overall have learned nothing from it. Because people like you are ignoring the TPP....



Do you want to know why I don't support this fake liberal candidate that the democrat party is shoving in our faces.
Sure she's much better than the republicans on social issues but that doesn't impact Wall Street's bottom line as much as her positions on economic trade deals and bankruptcy laws.


Let's hear a story about a First Lady who stopped a pretty horrid bankruptcy bill from being signed by President Clinton... seems like a happy ending eh?

well pay attention to this. And you'll she how easy it was for her to sellout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg&t=1m24s
^a highlight

Then the sad ending detailing how a First Lady became a Senator and then voted yes a new version of the bill that she stopped her husband from signing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg&t=3m20s

Now given that story told by Senator Warren herself which highlights how Senator Clinton was influenced by Wall Street interests to vote yes on a version of the bill that she prevented her husband who was president at the time....


Maybe you can see some of the reasons why I don't trust that she isn't beholden to corporate interests despite her more gullible supporters scoffing at the idea that she can be bought.



Do you think I'm voting for Trump... fuck off if you think that... he may fool some useful idiots with his anti-free trade bill talk but like Hillary's democratic platform delegates voting yes on TPP Trump's actions also speak louder than words. He uses chinese made goods for his clothing lines he doesn't let workers at his hotels unionize.


Fuck Trump too.


Maybe you should look long and hard at yourself and ask yourself why you're supporting Senator Clinton after she sold out on a free Trade deal that would be much more harmful than NAFTA and sold out on a harmful bankruptcy bill that she initially opposed but then supported after she became Senator and those corporate donations became oh so tempting.

She may be the lesser of too evils but the choice between Clinton and Trump is like choosing between quicksand and a bullet to the face.

the above goes for you too...


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Brian Stirling

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Wow you don't fucking get it do you. For the longest time there was a difference between the republican and democrat parties in terms of economic issues and how they wanted to treat the middle class.

Now more and more with recent election cycles both parties are becoming more and more wholly owned by corporate interests.

I used to say that republicans were wholly owned by corporate interests and democrats only partially so (mainly the blue-dogs). Unfortunately that is changing as banks have become too big to fail their CEO's have also become too big to jail...



You want to know what my beliefs are.

I believe that the Vince Foster conspiracy theory is fucking stupid just like the idea that people didn't land on the moon.

I believe that President Clinton should never have had an impeachment trial because trying to bring someone to court for lying about sex is one of the stupidest things that the government was involved in in the past 20 years or so.


I believe that President Clinton should get a pass on NAFTA because it was one of the first passed the country as a whole had no experience with such a thing and only one well know person was warning us about it.
Turns out Ross Perot for all his crazy ideas was right about it. And a lot of people were wrong for not believing him.

Yet we collectively overall have learned nothing from it. Because people like you are ignoring the TPP....



Do you want to know why I don't support this fake liberal candidate that the democrat party is shoving in our faces.
Sure she's much better than the republicans on social issues but that doesn't impact Wall Street's bottom line as much as her positions on economic trade deals and bankruptcy laws.


Let's hear a story about a First Lady who stopped a pretty horrid bankruptcy bill from being signed by President Clinton... seems like a happy ending eh?

well pay attention to this. And you'll she how easy it was for her to sellout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg&t=1m24s
^a highlight

Then the sad ending detailing how a First Lady became a Senator and then voted yes a new version of the bill that she stopped her husband from signing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg&t=3m20s

Now given that story told by Senator Warren herself which highlights how Senator Clinton was influenced by Wall Street interests to vote yes on a version of the bill that she prevented her husband who was president at the time....


Maybe you can see some of the reasons why I don't trust that she isn't beholden to corporate interests despite her more gullible supporters scoffing at the idea that she can be bought.



Do you think I'm voting for Trump... fuck off if you think that... he may fool some useful idiots with his anti-free trade bill talk but like Hillary's democratic platform delegates voting yes on TPP Trump's actions also speak louder than words. He uses chinese made goods for his clothing lines he doesn't let workers at his hotels unionize.


Fuck Trump too.


Maybe you should look long and hard at yourself and ask yourself why you're supporting Senator Clinton after she sold out on a free Trade deal that would be much more harmful than NAFTA and sold out on a harmful bankruptcy bill that she initially opposed but then supported after she became Senator and those corporate donations became oh so tempting.

She may be the lesser of too evils but the choice between Clinton and Trump is like choosing between quicksand and a bullet to the face.


the above goes for you too...


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You had me right up until you said BC should get a pass on NAFTA -- nope, he must not get a pass on that and the many other things he did to hurt the middle class. And yes, Ross Perot WAS right and when you compare his pronouncements about those trade deals and the consequence of them to those that were pushing the deal, including BC, how can anyone, more than 20 years later, pretend the proponents of those deals were right.

And the big take away from what you said was that the D's are increasingly just as bad as the R's as far as fucking the middle class. What all too many miss here is that in addition to hurting the middle class we're hurting the nation as well. And, also terrible is that while these deals are hurting the middle class and our nation they are empowering the Chinese to be more abusive of there people and there neighbors. The wealthy that have benefited from these trade deals have hurt the middle class, the nation, and made the dictatorial regime in China the 2nd most powerful nation on the planet.

These terrible trade deals promoted by folks that call themselves "Free Traders" but are actually Free Traitors in my book.


Brian
 

blankslate

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You had me right up until you said BC should get a pass on NAFTA -- nope, he must not get a pass on that and the many other things he did to hurt the middle class. And yes, Ross Perot WAS right and when you compare his pronouncements about those trade deals and the consequence of them to those that were pushing the deal, including BC, how can anyone, more than 20 years later, pretend the proponents of those deals were right.

Perhaps you're right. Unlike the shill Victarion Gray(joy), I'll have to consider what you have said. I was thinking that President Clinton should perhaps get a pass because most everyone had no real conception of the harm it might do to the U.S. economy. Maybe I was wrong in saying it.


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buckshot24

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The 25 years "crap" means that for the past 25 years I've watched the Republican smear machine working 24/7 against the both Bill and Hillary Clinton. I've watched them be accused of multiple murders, drug smuggling, that Chelsea is the daughter of a man other than Bill, espionage (Bill went to the USSR when he was a college student so of course the Soviets turned him.) and all sorts more corruption unimaginable.

The end result? Folks like you thinking that they are the veritable source of all evil in the known and unknown universe when really all they happen to be are a couple of fairly typical American politicians. They seem to have the same ambitions, the same foibles/behavior patterns as pretty much anyone else doing the same shit. They're better than some and worse than others. But they get judged by standards that most folks wouldn't even consider for other politicians.

I'd suggest taking a long hard look at what you believe about her and how you might have come to hold those beliefs.
Do you really think this post represents reality? Do you really think they just are in it to work for the people and some evil vast right wing conspiracy is just out to get these noble and selfless saints?

In this case, there was evidence of crimes, it isn't some made up fantasy. There was fire here and not just smoke.
 

ivwshane

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Perhaps you're right. Unlike the shill Victarion Gray(joy), I'll have to consider what you have said. I was thinking that President Clinton should perhaps get a pass because most everyone had no real conception of the harm it might do to the U.S. economy. Maybe I was wrong in saying it.


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I wouldn't bother considering anything that he said. What he just fed you was complete bullshit.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-americans-arent-middle-class-anymore/

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/108th-congress-2003-2004/reports/report_0.pdf

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/05/news/economy/poverty-world-bank/
 
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Perhaps you're right. Unlike the shill Victarion Gray(joy), I'll have to consider what you have said. I was thinking that President Clinton should perhaps get a pass because most everyone had no real conception of the harm it might do to the U.S. economy. Maybe I was wrong in saying it.


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Yeah, I'm a Canadian shill for someone who under most circumstances I would *not* vote for. Same goes for her husband who I actually kinda despise for a few reasons.

Sorry to have interrupted your whine and cheese party regarding Hillary. Continue to be the outraged whatever it is that you figure you are.
 
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Do you really think this post represents reality? Do you really think they just are in it to work for the people and some evil vast right wing conspiracy is just out to get these noble and selfless saints?

In this case, there was evidence of crimes, it isn't some made up fantasy. There was fire here and not just smoke.


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I checked the article, and they have a compelling question. It's what many Americans want to know.

The answer to that question, what's the difference between extreme carelessness vs. gross negligence, is the difference between a talking point used in a press conference vs. an allegation to be testified to in court. Comey shouldn't have used the former if he wasn't willing to do the latter. It was either a mistake that's now calling his credibility into question or a pre-arranged excuse for his party to start more bullshit hearings.
 

LunarRay

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Do you really think this post represents reality? Do you really think they just are in it to work for the people and some evil vast right wing conspiracy is just out to get these noble and selfless saints?

In this case, there was evidence of crimes, it isn't some made up fantasy. There was fire here and not just smoke.



I didn't hear the FBI indicate crimes were committed. IF all the elements of a crime are not present or provable then I'd say the FBI recommendation was proper.

Who has the authority to determine the classification of an email? I'm somewhat aware of the owner's (State Dept.) system restriction for the sending an email that is classed as 'restricted'. The system will reject - or should do - an email attempt to a non restricted system... cell phone, etc. Perhaps someone else has more specifics on the email system at State than I do.
 

Ackmed

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It's hard to believe that so many people are excited and even proud that Hillary receives zero punishment for what she's done. Really disheartening people are like this.
 

ivwshane

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I suggest you stop following politics. In order to not be fooled by lies, propaganda and misinformation, you have to be willing to look up the details and understand nuance and the process by which government works. YouTube links aren't gonna cut it and I suspect within a year or two you'll be another mindless drone parroting the latest conspiracy like so many others on this board.

If you actually want to know the truth about Clinton and the bankruptcy bills you can read about it here:

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/...Clinton-is-Untrue-The-Bankruptcy-Bill-Edition

Or here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...que-of-hillary-clintons-2001-bankruptcy-vote/



Wow you don't fucking get it do you. For the longest time there was a difference between the republican and democrat parties in terms of economic issues and how they wanted to treat the middle class.

Now more and more with recent election cycles both parties are becoming more and more wholly owned by corporate interests.

I used to say that republicans were wholly owned by corporate interests and democrats only partially so (mainly the blue-dogs). Unfortunately that is changing as banks have become too big to fail their CEO's have also become too big to jail...



You want to know what my beliefs are.

I believe that the Vince Foster conspiracy theory is fucking stupid just like the idea that people didn't land on the moon.

I believe that President Clinton should never have had an impeachment trial because trying to bring someone to court for lying about sex is one of the stupidest things that the government was involved in in the past 20 years or so.


I believe that President Clinton should get a pass on NAFTA because it was one of the first passed the country as a whole had no experience with such a thing and only one well know person was warning us about it.
Turns out Ross Perot for all his crazy ideas was right about it. And a lot of people were wrong for not believing him.

Yet we collectively overall have learned nothing from it. Because people like you are ignoring the TPP....



Do you want to know why I don't support this fake liberal candidate that the democrat party is shoving in our faces.
Sure she's much better than the republicans on social issues but that doesn't impact Wall Street's bottom line as much as her positions on economic trade deals and bankruptcy laws.


Let's hear a story about a First Lady who stopped a pretty horrid bankruptcy bill from being signed by President Clinton... seems like a happy ending eh?

well pay attention to this. And you'll she how easy it was for her to sellout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg&t=1m24s
^a highlight

Then the sad ending detailing how a First Lady became a Senator and then voted yes a new version of the bill that she stopped her husband from signing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg&t=3m20s

Now given that story told by Senator Warren herself which highlights how Senator Clinton was influenced by Wall Street interests to vote yes on a version of the bill that she prevented her husband who was president at the time....


Maybe you can see some of the reasons why I don't trust that she isn't beholden to corporate interests despite her more gullible supporters scoffing at the idea that she can be bought.



Do you think I'm voting for Trump... fuck off if you think that... he may fool some useful idiots with his anti-free trade bill talk but like Hillary's democratic platform delegates voting yes on TPP Trump's actions also speak louder than words. He uses chinese made goods for his clothing lines he doesn't let workers at his hotels unionize.


Fuck Trump too.


Maybe you should look long and hard at yourself and ask yourself why you're supporting Senator Clinton after she sold out on a free Trade deal that would be much more harmful than NAFTA and sold out on a harmful bankruptcy bill that she initially opposed but then supported after she became Senator and those corporate donations became oh so tempting.

She may be the lesser of too evils but the choice between Clinton and Trump is like choosing between quicksand and a bullet to the face.


the above goes for you too...


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