DeVos confirmed as Ed Secretary

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I realize it kills you to see an opposing opinion grounded in reality.

I also realize you're going to be trying to snipe me at any available opportunity.

How many times have you "reported" me thus far?

reality? dude, you may want to rethink that. you're a drumpf-fluffer to be kind. you talk of america like it's 1957 and the commies are swimming up from cuba. get a grip buckshot.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm surprised you have been around here for 71 posts.

He's trying waaaaayyyy too hard.

 

[MongGrel]

I realize it kills you to see an opposing opinion grounded in reality.

I also realize you're going to be trying to snipe me at any available opportunity.

How many times have you "reported" me thus far?

I have not reported you a single time

That is funny on it's own.

I'm not sniping you, you just have been ranting non stop.

 

[Uppsala9496]

Why do you? Lay out for me your opinion of Sweden, please.

480 000 sex crimes against women in Sweden – in a year

What's their population again? I bet that number is less than the US, a much larger country.

What's your source on this? Because I know for a fact that there were not 480,000 sex crimes (please define) in Sweden in 2016, 2015, 2014, etc.

 

[MrPickins]

The commies are swimming up from you and your fellow travelers.

You are the Commies. Do you not realize that?

LOL more "reality"

 

[MongGrel]

The commies are swimming up from you and your fellow travelers.

You are the Commies. Do you not realize that?

Better tell Trump to call them off.

He has the hot line to Putin and the sweat shops in China.

 

[emperus]

As far as school choices go, giving people options on where to send their kids is a good thing, no matter how much the union and lefties squeal and cry. If you provide the best learning environment, why would you be concerned about people having a choice in where to send their kid to school?

I have yet to hear anyone articulate any reason why giving people choices is a bad thing. Sounds an awful lot like the cable company telling customers choices are really bad, that they are better off with just one option.

Simple, schools work because it is cheaper to spread around the education money when you have more students than when you have less. When you start taking out money from schools, those schools still have to provide heat, pay teachers, provide busing, etc. for the remaining students.

2ndly, charter schools can choose who they want in their schools. Is it then really fair to compare a school that has to educate everyone who comes in to a school that can choose which students it lets in?

Instead, why don't we work on making schools work better, paying teachers more to attract better talent.

 

[IronWing]

The commie thing is rather amusing considering that the commies have been fighting the jihadists for a lot longer than the fascists have. While commies were fighting jihadists, Reagan was playing snuglybugly with them.

 

[PokerGuy]

Simple answer: because giving people choices only helps if you don't cripple the existing choice in the process.

You're assuming that will be the case. We don't know if that will happen or not.

The concern with DeVos isn't so much the voucher system as that public schools will very likely be neglected in the process, punishing lower-income families that can't afford to send kids to private schools.

It hasn't occurred to you that those current lower income families are already being hurt by forcing them to attend terrible schools. Rich people already have the money to send their kids elsewhere. People without a lot of money are the ones that need help to have a realistic choice for their kids. Giving them vouchers offers them choices.

Case in point: between 1999 and 2014, DeVos and her husband donated $8.6 million to private Christian schools. Public schools? Less than $60,000. You see why many in education are worried?

No, I don't see any issue whatsoever. Who she and her husband want to donate their own money to is completely irrelevant. Further, public schools already get a ton of public financing, private schools do not. Of course she's going to donate her money to private schools. Duh.

There's a good chance DeVos will not only starve the public education system, but prioritize Christian private schools over secular ones.

More imagined outrage. The public education system hasn't been "starved" at all. Take a look at the dollars spent per pupil in public schools --- starvation not found. The problem is that the money doesn't find its way to where it is needed, it is sucked up in bureaucracy and wasteful overhead. That needs to be fixed, throwing more money at the problem isn't going to fix it.

Also interesting that everyone seems to think every private school has to be Christian. Need I remind you that there are plenty of private schools of every denomination as well as secular ones, charter schools etc?

Getting all hysterical over everything isn't helping anything.

 

[MongGrel]

Is that avatar supposed to be Phil Hartman?

It damn sure isn't Slim Pickens.

You sure as hell are not John Wayne, what's your point

I'm not even at work, I hope you are not getting paid to spam

 

[MongGrel]

Trump's just going to put a block up.

I'll tell you this right now, within 2 years, you and your Antifa buddies that aren't in prison and all that crap is going to be relegated to a handful of diehards on the side of the road begging for a honk.

Mark my words. That's reality.

Yawn.

 

[sandorski]

Why do you? Lay out for me your opinion of Sweden, please.

480 000 sex crimes against women in Sweden – in a year

What's their population again? I bet that number is less than the US, a much larger country.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/

 

[MrPickins]

Is that avatar supposed to be Phil Hartman?

It damn sure isn't Slim Pickens.

Yeah, that's Phil (not that it matters).

I'm not sure why you'd think it would be Slim Pickens. When I'm Mr Pickins.

 

[PokerGuy]

Simple, schools work because it is cheaper to spread around the education money when you have more students than when you have less. When you start taking out money from schools, those schools still have to provide heat, pay teachers, provide busing, etc. for the remaining students.

So it's like the cable company saying "you're better off with no competition, really, trust us!". Without choices (competition), public schools have no incentive to do better, no accountability to anyone and they often just become crappy liberal indoctrination centers. Give people choices and they can find the best places for their kids. Sorry, I don't buy into the "trust me, having no choice is better for you than having a choice!".

2ndly, charter schools can choose who they want in their schools. Is it then really fair to compare a school that has to educate everyone who comes in to a school that can choose which students it lets in?

That's fair, but has nothing to do with whether offering choices is good or not. A parent wants the best option for their kids. We've already seen that giving them no choices and trusting the NEA and unions isn't working. Time to offer options.

Instead, why don't we work on making schools work better, paying teachers more to attract better talent.

That's assuming teacher pay is the only problem. It's not. You can't really fix things in the school system if the failing system has no incentive to fix anything. That's where we are today.

 

[agent00f]

no good, she is not qualified , I heard the hearings. She is clueless about public education. Time will tell...

If there's anything we're learned from american conservatives, it's that having clues, aka possessing an education, is highly overrated.

 

[thraashman]

I realize it kills you to see an opposing opinion grounded in reality.

I also realize you're going to be trying to snipe me at any available opportunity.

How many times have you "reported" me thus far?

The fact that you even for a second believe the shit you post is grounded in reality is the most definitive proof that you are in no way grounded in reality.

 

[interchange]

Really hard to say what might actually happen because of her appointment. I could swing from slightly positive to disastrously negative in my mind.

Important to consider charter schools. It's been a common (typically Republican) idea that they are superior to public schools, but it's really hard to draw inferences from the data. Technically there can't be discrimination from a charter school, but in reality there is a huge selection bias of the student population given the requirement of an application. To me, the biggest concern though is the limitations on oversight. There are many cases of fraud and embezzlement, and otherwise schools who are interested in making a profit rather than actually providing an educational environment that is different than a public school. In the worst case, a charter school will fold in the middle of a school year and leave kids behind.

From a curriculum standpoint, clearly I have a lot of scientific educational background, and I am no creationist. Mostly, though, within limits, a good school is not defined by its unbiased curriculum. What matters is a culture of learning, a celebration of curiosity, a platform for developing individual interests, involvement with parents in the community, etc.

Vouchers? Well I'm quite ambivalent about that one. I think there is quite a bit of value in diversity of early life education that may not be measurable scholastically, and of course it's going to cost money to transport students and administer these programs.

 

[Thebobo]

Yeah, because when those gender-study graduates spew their hatred at riots, it's kind of obvious the actual mental level of these people.

Hi Spidey! Good to see you back.

 

[thraashman]

If there's anything we're learned from american conservatives, it's that having clues, aka possessing an education, is highly overrated.

Donald Trump loves the uneducated. Hell, they're the reason he's President. And he's making sure we keep the kids as fuck-stupid as possible to keep "people" like him in office. (I put people in quotes because I'm not entirely sure Trump isn't a sentient pile of demonic feces)

 

[Thebobo]

What it takes to buy your confirmation

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have no Children and no opinion of her besides she seemed very unprepared during her hearing.
One thing is certain Trump owns this and she better be prepared going forward.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Trump's just going to put a block up.

I'll tell you this right now, within 2 years, you and your Antifa buddies that aren't in prison and all that crap is going to be relegated to a handful of diehards on the side of the road begging for a honk.

Mark my words. That's reality.

EL
OH
FUCKING
EL!!!

take your fucking fascism and shove it way, way, way up your ass.

 

[emperus]

So it's like the cable company saying "you're better off with no competition, really, trust us!". Without choices (competition), public schools have no incentive to do better, no accountability to anyone and they often just become crappy liberal indoctrination centers. Give people choices and they can find the best places for their kids. Sorry, I don't buy into the "trust me, having no choice is better for you than having a choice!".

That's fair, but has nothing to do with whether offering choices is good or not. A parent wants the best option for their kids. We've already seen that giving them no choices and trusting the NEA and unions isn't working. Time to offer options.

That's assuming teacher pay is the only problem. It's not. You can't really fix things in the school system if the failing system has no incentive to fix anything. That's where we are today.

Can we stop this liberal indoctrination BS. I don't know but I assume the majority of great public schools reside in "Liberal ares". Therein lies the problem with your argument. Education isn't like Cable TV. Cable companies don't have to provide Cable to everyone, they can choose to maximize their profits however they want even if that means that only 1% of the population receives Cable. The state has to educate all it's children, even little Johnny who is 15 and still doesn't know his alphabet.

So, let me ask you, in your example of school choice, what happens to the students that charter schools deem to expensive to educate? Where do they go? And if charter schools take 50% of the students what happens to traditional schools in that district when they have 50% less funding and still have to provide busing routes on half empty buses for those students, or heat and provide electricity for a half empty building. If you haven't realized education is one of those things where adding more another student is cheaper.

 

[mect]

Republican's seem hell bent on destroying public education in America. I guess they realize that is their best strategy for maintaining their power.

 

[mect]

That's assuming teacher pay is the only problem. It's not. You can't really fix things in the school system if the failing system has no incentive to fix anything. That's where we are today.

You believe that schools have no incentive to fix anything? You must live a really sad life if you think that money is the only thing motivating people in this world.