DF: ATWE Racers

[Insidious]

Hi guyz,

OK, with our field for ATWE frozen (as of 12-15) I am wondering if it is time to abolish the speeding tickets.
They were put in place to avoid large corporates from doing a dump & run for prizes. Obviously we don't need to
worry about that now since no new entries will be allowed to race.

On one hand, it feels wierd to change the rules once the race is in progress, so "no don't change a thing" is a good answer.

On the other hand, it would be nice to relax and just let the folds fly for the duration of the race, so "yes kill those friggin tickets" is a good answer.

(If the tickets were abolished, all past tickets would be refunded)

Please post your opinion on the matter.

no responses from you => nothing will change
votes split => nothing will change
consensus to kill the tickets => it will be done

Thanks,

-Sid

 

[TallBill]

i say keep the rules.

 

[CrazySaint]

I bet I know what bfour's answer will be I could go either way, I've taken a quick look at the race standings and the speeding tickets and in most cases, revoking past tickets would have little if any effect on standings and I haven't seen any evidense of "shenanigans" (i.e., corp farmers, people letting a machine run for weeks so they could make a huge dump, etc) that would require the existence of tickets. OTOH, changing the race rules once the race is in progress does seem odd. So I really don't care much.

 

[muttley]

I say modify the rules to this extent.

I don't see where the speeding matters except for some reason for the top 3 or 4 if their close and for some reason it matters cause they are racing for the sport of the top positions. Right now I like that number 7 area cause it is lucky 7. (As I say later if it really mattered gigherts being so cheap we individually could probably I'g guessing produce more than the Enterprise XP 1600 to 2000's be so low in price.)

Nobody will willfull sandbag This will allow people to not have to dump every 6 hours just to comply with the rules. Also this applys to people who have computers at work etc. A polite note to check in ie snowed in for 3 days, ie parents away for 1 month they live 50 miles away I check their house only on weekends and once in the middle of the week. They have dial up so infrequent dumps.

I don't think this race is so critical because it is for 90 days.

I would like to get an athlon 1.4 cause I have a board that could use it cause I broke a 700 duron that was overclocked to @927. my goof on the heatsink.

I'm doing the race for fun. I'm already comitted to the project.

I am using 5.1 ghz of athlon XP and a 800 P-3.

I'm sure that if we were to really get serious that the "Enterprise" (I think) could get swallowed up in power if we were to use say K7SEM for the onboard video and a $10 or less nick. Use Athlon XP 1600 to 2000+. Linux loaded off a server. Use a floppy to tell to boot off the Server and a powersupply of 300 watt. I have been looking at a project called LTSP.org and K12LTSP.ORG and it does this. The server crunches also. (Possibly a server wouldn't even be required if you used a server from over the internet from another persons setup. I don't know how to write the redirect.)

What I'm trying to say is that except for a powerbil and cooling I see no reason why we couldn't have decent farms of our own.
However we are doing this cause we have fun.

I sold off 2 2000+xp processors and some other stuff for a 20" LCD display.
I'm just enjoying life. I see no reason for the speeding ticket.

In the 30 day race for SETI as a team that was a first time for me. At that time I was cranking out 9.1 ghz of XP power. ~2.4+ ghz duron. 1.6ghz P-3 and some more. Due to the nice and freesco some of it was losing 20% to 30% of what it could have been making.

I don't think the rule matters unless for some reason among the top 3 leaders they need a speedlimit enforced for some reason I don't fathom or have read and understand.

 

[bunker]

I'm for it.

I wanted to set up my father's comp to run, but he rarely connects to the internet so the dumps would probably be sizeable and infrequent which is why I haven't set it up yet.

 

[muttley]

I think that bunker should have remembered the project is the goal the team is TA and the race is for winning for some and fun white elephant prizes for the others of use.
But when you get the rules in your head you fprget to think outside the lines.

Bunker is a case in point. Who knows bunkers dad might turn off the computer part of the time or whatever. I know this one computer that kept crashing... turns out the cleaning lady needed and outlet and was unpluging the powercord for her vacuum and then plugg it back in and move the desk back. Took the poor guys the longest time to figure out the problem. hahaha)

muttley

 

[Freewolf]

Get rid of the tickets

 

[m0ti]

Hmm... tough question.

Ultimately I think that it's the number of folds that matter, and people are going to start thinking "I'm not going to make it every 6 hours" to dump machines, and may be reluctant to assimilate.

I will go along with the consensus, though I think that 1 of the following should (probably) occur:

1) Reduce speeding ticket fine: Cut it down to the sum of the other three time periods + 25% of the excess (i.e. don't drop it all, just part of what's in excess. fine is ONLY what is above this amount).

2) Set aside a prize for those with most speeding tickets or for total folds with speeding tickets ignored

3) Eliminate speeding tickets.

It's all in good fun, anyhow.

 

[bunker]

Originally posted by: muttley
I think that bunker should have remembered the project is the goal the team is TA and the race is for winning for some and fun white elephant prizes for the others of use.
But when you get the rules in your head you fprget to think outside the lines.

Bunker is a case in point. Who knows bunkers dad might turn off the computer part of the time or whatever. I know this one computer that kept crashing... turns out the cleaning lady needed and outlet and was unpluging the powercord for her vacuum and then plugg it back in and move the desk back. Took the poor guys the longest time to figure out the problem. hahaha)

muttley

I agree muttley, and I will still install it on his machine. Thing is I'm in Atlanta, he's up in Michigan which is why it hasn't been installed yet. I'm heading home for the holidays and am going to install it then.

I may have fibbed a bit in my first post to try and get my current speeding ticket dropped
I'm always trying to weasel out of things :Q

 

[Factor5]

i'm totally with muttley... i want #7..... oh wait.. i have it

count my vote as indifferent..... i can see that this would slow the assimilation of unpredictable machines..... but i also think that a rule is a rule...... too bad, so sad, if anything, i would have to agree with m0ti, that seems to be the fairest solution to everyone.

 

[Insidious]

Ok, so far we have :

1 vote to keep the tickets, 2 don't cares, 3 to eliminate them.

That pretty much puts us at:

"no responses from you => nothing will change"
or
"votes split => nothing will change"

for now..... I'll keep watching for the rest of our team to weigh in or anyone to change their mind.

 

[Terrahawk]

I'm pretty indifferent to the speeding tickets with regards to myself but I feel that in general, they should either be abolished or else reduced in a similar way to how m0ti mentioned.

Okay, I'm not that indifferent sometimes I do wonder if I'll get a ticket, but if I do, them's the breaks.

 

[Robor]

I vote to eliminate them. I know they cost me 2M in production and I have no idea why. I wasn't sandbagging and all of my clients have 24/7 connections and run 24/7 yet I got busted for a full day's production.

 

[LastKnight]

if the tickets are slowing people down putting machines into the project, I say get rid of them.

EDIT: Sorry, in my haste to post and hurry get my coffee, i don't think i was clear. I was responding to the post above.

"I wanted to set up my father's comp to run, but he rarely connects to the internet so the dumps would probably be sizeable and infrequent which is why I haven't set it up yet. "

I just don't think they're necessary, I'd rather get as many people put as many systems as possible on DF, without having to worry about speeding tickets. I really don't care if I win or not, just like the idea of a nice 3 month race with all of you. Crunch on!

 

[Insidious]

As for people joining the project, I doubt if the tickets or ATWE are adversly affecting that.

(edit) perhaps we should compare our membership and production from before the ATWE with what we have now. I believe ATWE has affected TeAm DF for the better. It would sadden me to think anyone believes differently.

obviously, since I put this thread up, I believe the tickets have served their purpose and are only a nuisance from this point on... BUT

I think I should assume all of our racers read the DF daily and that means they read:

no responses from you => nothing will change

with this in mind, we now stand at:

7 votes to eliminate the tickets and 13 votes to keep them.

My hands are tied.

-Sid

 

[bfour]

IMHO abolish the tickets, I have 4 machines here at work that I have to sneakernet, and being head electrical/electronic/controls specialist(?), it makes it very very hard for me to dump the machines everyday, and during each six hour period, plus I like my time off, so they keep crunching for me when I am home. It would also make it much easier for me to dump all 4 at one time than 4 different times! 'sides, I can't accurately track the other remote machines I have crunching having to dump every 6 hour period. Plus the wife will let her machine dump whenever!

 

[joinT]

I say keep them... Otherwise shouldn't it be retroactive, since no large corp's joined or got tickets, just us regular folders...
my $0.02

 

[bfour]

Also I ahve permission to install the clients on 2 more machines this weekend, and they are not 24/7 machines, but may see up to 12 hours a day use! And they are on dialups!

 

[Insidious]

re: retroactive

absolutely!

like it says in the first post, all old tickets would be refunded if we ended the speed limits.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Insidious
re: retroactive

absolutely!

like it says in the first post, all old tickets would be refunded if we ended the speed limits.

WOOHOO!

 

[GhettoFob]

eliminate them

 

[Insidious]

[car salesperson voice] Tell ya what I'm gonna do..... [/car salesperson voice]

(I really didn't expect anyone to want the tix )


I think I owe it to the folks who joined under the current rules to let them stand if a change is not prefered. (integrity and all that stuff)


I want to make it crystal clear that I do support any opinion requesting no change. It is a totally valid viewpoint!

I will respect your wishes and smile all the way

-Sid

(If you change your mind... just let me know)

 

[bunker]

Sid, why don't you set up a poll with only two options....leave 'em or get rid of 'em. That way you can get a more definitive answer instead of "maybe" or "I don't care". Kinda forces folks to answer one way or the other.

 

[Insidious]

I started out to do that, but then I realized that there is no way to know who is voting or if they are even an ATWE person.

Plus, it was the answers recommending to get rid of the tickets (well I think they were anyway) that were ambiguous.... the

posts to keep the rules unchanged were pretty straightforward.

It'll be cool. Keeping things the same is still a lot better than what (probably) would have happened if they hadn't been there in

the first place.

Thanks to all of you for helping me by letting your feelings be known!

-Sid

 

[bunker]

Originally posted by: Insidious
I started out to do that, but then I realized that there is no way to know who is voting or if they are even an ATWE person.

-Sid

Good point, hadn't thought of that. I know I'm not going to win this thing anyway so I suppose I really shouldn't care about the tickets. It's all fun anyway!