Diablo III requires constant internet connection

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Dumac

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WTF are you or anyone else to tell me or anyone else how we can play our single player games?

I love to use the trainer in skirmish mode against 3-4 nightmare opponents..

I pay real money just like you to play HOW I want..

I don't play online ever.. so whats the fucking big deal?

The third party hacks have both single and multiplayer functionality.

If you want to cheat, just use the official cheat codes http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1316152

When you go to a third party program for a game whose entirely life revolves around online play, you ruin the integrity of the game.
 

Dumac

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people actually care enough about achievements that they are using that as a defense for no offline mode

LOL wow thats pathetic

id gladly trade achievements in this game or any game from now till the end of time for an offline mode

Achievements is a dumb non excuse. They don't affect any gameplay in any way.
 

Nebor

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Yep, I read it. The one actually had cogent points while the other apparently assumes gamers are mindless sheep who'll buy it anyway. Eh, makes no difference to me. Blizzard hasn't gotten a dime from me in many years, this game won't change that.

Because gamers ARE mindless sheep. Every time they flip out about something, like COD not having dedicated servers, or Assassins Creed having always connected DRM, those games still end up best sellers.
 

Dumac

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This is retarded. As i said in the other thread games with single player option have no need of always on DRM, its bullshit and blizzard is stupid for doing it.

And for all those who are saying its to keep hacking under control you are dreaming, there is still going to be hacking this will barely slow it down.

I disagree with this, and don't think you really thought that through.

There is absolutly zero reason they couldnt have went with a open and closed bnet just like D2. You want to play single player then you use your character stored on your pc, you want to play online then use bnet and there is no interaction between the two. Simple solution thats already been established with open/closed bnet of d2.

Exactly, I don't know why they did this (well I know why, DRM). The open (grouped with single player) and closed battlenet satisfies all the problems of cheating, hacks, and whatnot. None of the reasons for requiring a constant connection that Blizzard has given so far would failed to be satisfied by the old D2 system.

D2 did it fine, why screw it up?

And for those of you saying you always have a internet connection you need to get out of your basement sometime and see what the real world is like. I travel a fair bit and game alot on my laptop when i do, usually i do not have an internet connection at this time as i am out of cell range so no aircard or tethering will work. Sometimes i'll spend days away from home and will play single player games during these times, there is no reason a single player game should require a internet connection. I mean think about it, im playing single player, what are they trying to accomplish stopping me from cheating with myself? thats the most stupid thing i have ever herd in my life.

Stop using the dumb basement line; it's old, tired, and lacks any punch.

I travel all the time. If I was in a situation with no internet (out in the wilderness, or somewhere far from civilization) then I wouldn't be playing D3 anyway. Of course, people are differnet, but for me this makes no difference.

Also CVSiN is totally correct. If you want to cheat in a single player game then who are they to stop you? sure the achievements are online but there is a simple solution to that, when you use cheats then void all achievements. There are tons of single player games that do this already there is no reason blizzard could not do that as well. Once i beat a game i like to go back and replay sometimes with cheats to test out exactly how the ai works or just to have some fun with mods. Why should blizzard care what im doing when it has exactly zero effect on anyone else.

SC2 has cheats built in; going to 3rd party programs just wrecks any sense of legitimacy a player may have as well as risks the safety of the online community.

I will probably still buy D3 but hope they come to there senses and kill the always on DRM, they did with SC2 eventually so there is still hope.

I do too, but I doubt they will.
 

Nebor

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Achievements is a dumb non excuse. They don't affect any gameplay in any way.

Disagree. I play a lot of games just for the achievements, so I can compare to my friend's achievements. A lot of the time I'm forced to play a game way, WAY past the point where it's fun in order to get the achievements.
 

Rifter

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I disagree with this, and don't think you really thought that through.

Really because closed bnet didnt stop hacking completely, i dont see how this is any different


Stop using the dumb basement line; it's old, tired, and lacks any punch.

I travel all the time. If I was in a situation with no internet (out in the wilderness, or somewhere far from civilization) then I wouldn't be playing D3 anyway. Of course, people are differnet, but for me this makes no difference.

I bought a laptop specifically to game and watch movies in my downtime while traveling, i see no reason for a single player game to require a internet connection after the initial registration of the game

SC2 has cheats built in; going to 3rd party programs just wrecks any sense of legitimacy a player may have as well as risks the safety of the online community.

How exactly does cheating in single player effect the online community AT ALL?
 

-Slacker-

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*sigh*

Once again:

Internet disconnects for a few seconds>Game stops working>Loose progress.

Ok, let's try this from a different angle.

What are the type of bugs that developers are the most motivated to fix? What are the bugs that they dread the most?
 

Grooveriding

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The only worry Blizzard will have for D3 will be maphacks and bots set to repeatedly do MF runs and scan the auction house.

The reason Diablo 2 is so heavily hacked with items and dupe exploits is that the game is ancient, the code is ancient and they have zero incentive to rewrite it all from scratch to correct it.

They were likely not expecting the amount of hacking that was seen in Diablo 2. All those webshops that sell items are duping them, they're not farming that crap with bots.

Seeing as Blizzard has eliminated any duping in World of Warcraft (there was only one instance of duping occurring in Classic WoW and it was quickly stopped), I think its a safe bet we will see no duping and item exploitation in D3. Certainly because they are hyper-aware about that being the one thing that will destroy the game economy and game balance overnight.

I think there will be tons of MF bots though There are plenty of bots for WoW that do not get banned, I'm sure we'll see the same in D3. It's much easier to code a script to play the game automatically for you and go undetected than it is to start exploiting their servers to hack/dupe items. Eliminating dupes is as simple as having every item that spawns have a unique code seen by the server and the moment there is an additional exact matching code to nuke the item. If they can even get that far. Even D2 has an implementation like this on the items in the game, but it can be circumvented. I don't see this happening for D3.
 
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Newbian

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Did they ever talk about keeping magic find?

I always found that annoying considering only a few classes were good at it and it ends up meaning they did a lot less damage often.
 

Rifter

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Did they ever talk about keeping magic find?

I always found that annoying considering only a few classes were good at it and it ends up meaning they did a lot less damage often.

I agree, magic find was annoying, you either had to swap out gear for boss runs or make a dedicated character for it and deal with having crappy damage and armour all the time just to get the best magic find.
 

J-Money

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Developing hacks etc. is alot easier if there is an offline mode as well.

Spend hours / days / weeks on single player finding exploits / bugs / dupes without Blizzard knowing, then jump online and using them until Blizzard catches on.

Now you have try to use them online first, Blizzard catches on much faster and eliminates them much faster.

Seems logical to me that always connected will help reduce the amount of hacks (can't eliminate them all obviously). Alot harder to test hacks if you have to test them on live servers.
 
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Rifter

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Developing hacks etc. is alot easier if there is an offline mode as well.

Spend hours / days / weeks on single player finding exploits / bugs / dupes without Blizzard knowing, then jump online and using them until Blizzard catches on.

Now you have try to use them online first, Blizzard catches on much faster and eliminates them much faster.

Seems logical to me that always connected will help reduce the amount of hacks (can't eliminate them all obviously). Alot harder to test hacks if you have to test them on live servers.

You seem to be forgetting that the day D3 comes out there is going to be a cracked version and within a week there will be cracked Bnet server apps out for it. Great for testing hacks on.
 

stlcardinals

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You seem to be forgetting that the day D3 comes out there is going to be a cracked version and within a week there will be cracked Bnet server apps out for it. Great for testing hacks on.

You don't crack a Bnet server, you have to emulate it. Diablo 3 is closer in function to WoW than anything else and the emulated servers will be poor imitations.
 

Dumac

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Disagree. I play a lot of games just for the achievements, so I can compare to my friend's achievements. A lot of the time I'm forced to play a game way, WAY past the point where it's fun in order to get the achievements.

I don't feel the same way, but obviously Blizzards knows that some of their customers feel like you do, and therefore moved to protect achievements.

I still think that disabling achievements would have been a better solution, if it was just about achievements.
 

Wyndru

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I don't feel the same way, but obviously Blizzards knows that some of their customers feel like you do, and therefore moves to protect achievements.

They know it is a cheap and easy way to keep people playing. It's probably the most efficient way from a development standpoint to add endless timesinks for people. It's all about keeping people addicted...just add an insane requirement in the achievement list and people will go for it, regardless of how mindless or mundane it is.
 

ikachu

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Diablo 3 is not a single player game. It's an online game that you can play solo if you want. If you don't like that, don't buy it; Blizzard decided that the risks of losing your business were outweighed by the benefits of having the game require an internet connection. Time will prove them right or wrong. Not sure what else there is to debate?
 

Beev

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Someone needs to make a huge aggregator for achievements. I want my XBox 360, PS3, Steam, WoW, SC2, and D3 achievements to all be totaled up into one huge life score...
 

ch33kym0use

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I hope the killing of other human player characters resulting in dropping their gear for someone else to loot is removed.
 

SMOGZINN

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I hope the killing of other human player characters resulting in dropping their gear for someone else to loot is removed.

PK has been removed altogether. Now all PVP takes place in a PVP arena with no consequences or even rankings. When you die you become a 'ghost' for a short time and then rejoin the battle, think WoW battlegrounds.
 

ikachu

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PK has been removed altogether. Now all PVP takes place in a PVP arena with no consequences or even rankings. When you die you become a 'ghost' for a short time and then rejoin the battle, think WoW battlegrounds.

Except in hardcore mode, where if you die in the arena you are permanently dead...

(although I guess it could have changed, this was true when the feature was announced at Blizzcon last year).
 

SMOGZINN

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Except in hardcore mode, where if you die in the arena you are permanently dead...

(although I guess it could have changed, this was true when the feature was announced at Blizzcon last year).

That has changed, as of last week I believe that Blizzard stated that HC players are not allowed to PVP at all. The statement said that they are looking to add it back in, but with out any permanent death or consequences.
 

Seero

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And I thought I was the odd ball playing HC. Almost got to lv 95, decided to unload goods into stock char, went into the portal with stock char, died at money land, sad, frustrated, bring 95, died at hydra pool, swear will never play that cursed game never again, new char in 20 minutes. Anyone understand?
 
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