DICE: Our competitors are lazy

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zerocool84

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This is probably most accurate. BF3 is Dice's chance to redeem themselves and show they're relevant again. Everything looks on track so far, but it really is too early to call.



Seriously. BF2 had absurd problems with dolphin diving essentially from day one, and every patch they put out made the game worse.
And people are too quick to toot Blizzard's horn. Everyone has completely forgotten exactly how messy WoW launch was, don't seem to acknowledge Blizzard's often ham-fisted and illogical class balancing in WoW even to this day, and SC2 still has fairly serious balance issues.

With the exception of WoW, which is an MMO which we all know is difficult to perfect but they've come the closest, every game they've made has been great.
 

PowerYoga

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WoW is all about the fotm classes, lets not pretend that they're trying very hard to "balance" anything. The only real balanced game blizzard made was starcraft and that was fixed over the course of 8-9 years.
 

badb0y

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My favorite are Valve, Blizzard, DICE, and Bioware.

I also really liked Bioshock but I don't remember who made that game (2K I think).

I know no one wants to hear this but on consoles I really like Naughty Dog for the Uncharted series, pretty much the only reason I have a console.
 

Irrational_

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My favorite are Valve, Blizzard, DICE, and Bioware.

I also really liked Bioshock but I don't remember who made that game (2K I think).

I know no one wants to hear this but on consoles I really like Naughty Dog for the Uncharted series, pretty much the only reason I have a console.

Irrational games made it. (I think they were 2K Boston at that time though)

Also, why wouldn't people want to hear it? Are people going to flame your opinion for no reason because you like a game company? That makes no sense.
 

TehMac

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Do any of you lot like being called 'the Masses'?

Save the Marxist terms for Marx. Whose dead.
 

Vdubchaos

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Do you blame developers or people that buy outdated/old engine games?

COD still uses original engine, they have been doing nothing but revisions...they will choke it until it's death (which doesn't seem even anywhere near).

Same for EA, they keep pumping their shit out as long as people keep buying.

Dice is no exception....
 

smackababy

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This is probably most accurate. BF3 is Dice's chance to redeem themselves and show they're relevant again. Everything looks on track so far, but it really is too early to call.



Seriously. BF2 had absurd problems with dolphin diving essentially from day one, and every patch they put out made the game worse.
And people are too quick to toot Blizzard's horn. Everyone has completely forgotten exactly how messy WoW launch was, don't seem to acknowledge Blizzard's often ham-fisted and illogical class balancing in WoW even to this day, and SC2 still has fairly serious balance issues.

Have you ever played an MMO at launch? Because WoW was far more finished and bug free than any I can recall, and I've played quite a few.
 
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I never had any issues with BF2 and I played from day one. Admittedly the maps loaded kind of slow and loading a Black Hawk up with a bunch of engineers to make it invincible was kind of silly but I still enjoyed the game. Sometimes its best to just play and enjoy rather than being worried about how someone else plays, so what they got a couple of unlocks who cares.
 

CVSiN

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Do you blame developers or people that buy outdated/old engine games?

COD still uses original engine, they have been doing nothing but revisions...they will choke it until it's death (which doesn't seem even anywhere near).

Same for EA, they keep pumping their shit out as long as people keep buying.

Dice is no exception....

what do you mean Dice is no exception?

BF3 is being built from the ground up on a new engine.. Frostbite 3
which even Frostbite 2 is a total upgrade from anything POS COD can do with its engine.

Destructible environments and ballistics as well as being built on the PC as a primary are all major things.

I got flamed major for saying the exact same thing this person from DICE is saying in the console forum.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks they are lazy money grubbing SOBs.
 

Regs

Lifer
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I was actually hoping they had a few more unlockables. Maybe more RPG related like COD seems to be doing in MW3. Or at least more unlocks at higher levels. I also thought the physics in BC2 was a little presumptuous or even pretentious - though at least I can say it was a lot more consistant than MW2 and Bo ever was.

The game looks awesome - I'm also hoping the new animations make it easier to aim at multiplayer.
 
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CVSiN

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Have you ever played an MMO at launch? Because WoW was far more finished and bug free than any I can recall, and I've played quite a few.

LOL At WoW being finished and bug free at launch..

You obviously didnt play at launch if that's how you remember it.. I was a Alpha/beta team member as well as a day 1 (hour 1 ) player and it was still a typical MMO launch.. a MESS..

Rift so far has bee alot better as an MMO launch.. hate to say it but they did a better job than Blizzard so far at launching a new MMO.
 

zerocool84

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I never had any issues with BF2 and I played from day one. Admittedly the maps loaded kind of slow and loading a Black Hawk up with a bunch of engineers to make it invincible was kind of silly but I still enjoyed the game. Sometimes its best to just play and enjoy rather than being worried about how someone else plays, so what they got a couple of unlocks who cares.

BF2 is one of my favorite games but there were tons of bugs and things wrong with it when it came out. Stuff that didn't get fixed until the patch we had last year.
 

smackababy

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LOL At WoW being finished and bug free at launch..

You obviously didnt play at launch if that's how you remember it.. I was a Alpha/beta team member as well as a day 1 (hour 1 ) player and it was still a typical MMO launch.. a MESS..

Rift so far has bee alot better as an MMO launch.. hate to say it but they did a better job than Blizzard so far at launching a new MMO.

I didn't say it was finished, I said it was more finished than previous MMOs and most released after it. Sure it had problems, but it wasn't nearly as broken as those that came before it. I played the beta and played launch day.

Rift might have had a good launch if I could have gotten past the 14 hour queue on launch day.
 

Alamat

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I frankly don't care what one company says about the other. I just hope all of it translates to great games that we can all enjoy! That's what competition would do, bring out the best in them...I hope.
 

Zargon

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what do you mean Dice is no exception?

BF3 is being built from the ground up on a new engine.. Frostbite 3
which even Frostbite 2 is a total upgrade from anything POS COD can do with its engine.

Destructible environments and ballistics as well as being built on the PC as a primary are all major things.

I got flamed major for saying the exact same thing this person from DICE is saying in the console forum.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks they are lazy money grubbing SOBs.

just nitpicking

but the new engine is frostbite 2
 

Mr. Pedantic

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BF2 is one of my favorite games but there were tons of bugs and things wrong with it when it came out. Stuff that didn't get fixed until the patch we had last year.
And yet, it was still one of your favourite games...
 

Childs

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haha Its easy to say this now that Infinity Ward is only a name and not a real studio anymore. And even though I played the hell out of it, MoH's MP was lazy. Well, maybe not lazy considering the time frame but it definitely could have been better. Still, I'm liking the bravado...they just better back it up.
 

pontifex

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lol at dice pumping out the same BF game. ooh, so they changed the engine. big whoop, it's still the same shitty gameplay it always was.
 

Zargon

Lifer
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lol at dice pumping out the same BF game. ooh, so they changed the engine. big whoop, it's still the same shitty gameplay it always was.

you should post this instead from now on:

<insert my normal crap about hating the game I suck at>
 

CVSiN

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I didn't say it was finished, I said it was more finished than previous MMOs and most released after it. Sure it had problems, but it wasn't nearly as broken as those that came before it. I played the beta and played launch day.

Rift might have had a good launch if I could have gotten past the 14 hour queue on launch day.

Didnt have any queues for me on Rift day.. but thats fine.. within 7 hours they had a crapton new servers up and running..
If you remeber correctly the entire Cluster that served Archimonde and 4 other servers crashed on launch day and was down for 3 days afterwords forcing all that rolled there with their guilds to find other options..
not to mention all the broken things in the game itself.

Rose colored glasses..

as for BF having the same old game play.. well that's what we want.. a modernized version with more features the game play was great on BF2 and even 2142.. after that it took a major shitter..
 
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