Dick's is a bunch of *****.

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Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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Thats a pretty weak troll.

You should try more of the "think of the children" type stuff. It works better.

Didn't you see his username "RichUK"? He isn't trolling... he's literally asking since the UK is all "Guns are bad, mmmkay."
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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Yes, very necessary. Haven't your heard about all the people who die at birth because they don't have an AR15?

I think you mean to ask, is it too much weaponry for a citizen and the answer is no. At it's core it's just a semi-auto rifle. There's more powerful by considerable margins, they just aren't called "assault" weapons.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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On a serious note, though, is an AR15 really necessary for the average Joe?

A medium power rifle with short to mid range accuracy with highly industrialized looks due to military colors, contours, and polymer parts makes the AR15 any worse than any other rifle how? There really is no difference between a 5.56 rifle with a wooden stock that looks like a m1 garand or your standard AR15 rifle beyond looks and feel when handling. Now if the AR15 platform gun has a fire select switch or a full auto option... yah that is not exactly something needed for hunting. But just because a weapon "looks scary" doesn't mean it is any more lethal than any other rifle citizens can legally purchase.
 

RichUK

Lifer
Feb 14, 2005
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Yes, very necessary. Haven't your heard about all the people who die at birth because they don't have an AR15?

I think you mean to ask, is it too much weaponry for a citizen and the answer is no. At it's core it's just a semi-auto rifle. There's more powerful by considerable margins, they just aren't called "assault" weapons.

Perhaps you're missing my point - why would military weapons be of any real use to civilians?
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Perhaps you're missing my point - why would military weapons be of any real use to civilians?

No, you are missing several points.

1) in America the main reason to own guns by citizens is NOT to hunt. It's to allow individuals to protect themselves if ever needed to do so from any government, both foreign or domestic.

2) There is no "military" only gun available for citizens. The only military feature in guns we no longer let people purchase on new guns is shooting modes beyond semi-automatic. Which means no burst fire and no full auto fire.

3) A gun with gun metal bluing, ridged industrial looks, a detachable magazine, and floating rails to mount accessories does not make it any better or worse than any other rifle. Just because the stock is made from a polymer instead of wood doesn't mean anything else that the rifle is a little lighter to carry.
 

RichUK

Lifer
Feb 14, 2005
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A medium power rifle with short to mid range accuracy with highly industrialized looks due to military colors, contours, and polymer parts makes the AR15 any worse than any other rifle how? There really is no difference between a 5.56 rifle with a wooden stock that looks like a m1 garand or your standard AR15 rifle beyond looks and feel when handling. Now if the AR15 platform gun has a fire select switch or a full auto option... yah that is not exactly something needed for hunting. But just because a weapon "looks scary" doesn't mean it is any more lethal than any other rifle citizens can legally purchase.

Makes sense - I was struggling to see why an automatic rifle would be of any use, but as you say, it isn't auto.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
Mar 10, 2004
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Perhaps you're missing my point - why would military weapons be of any real use to civilians?

An AR-15 is really no different than any other rifle of the type, gas operated semi-auto. It was banned before because of the way it looks, not because of the way it functions.

The AR-15 functions and fires basically the same way as any other semi-auto weapon, such as the very common ones seen in these videos, firing semi-auto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ncqIPpgSy50#t=146s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn8lJs2Je24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgvY-_IGb5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XpWsK5pEYx8#t=26s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm92edmHALw
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Makes sense - I was struggling to see why an automatic rifle would be of any use, but as you say, it isn't auto.

Which is why the ban we had before on them was stupid and why the ban went away. Scary looking doesn't make it any more lethal than any other rifle. Actually they are less lethal really. A 30-30 rifle fires a far more powerful round capable of more damage than any of the assault weapons that were banned which typically fired .22, 9mm, .223, or 5.56 rounds. Damage is equal to the force applied from the mass and speed of the round, and the design of the round to tumble/break apart on impact. Your standard assault rifle is great on human targets at close range for home defense. It can be used in hunting targets like deer and such but since the rounds they fire are typically not that damaging, they don't always take down bigger game easy. Which is why you hunt with something like a 30/06 or more powerful.

Think of assault weapons as guns that are slightly more powerful than the average handgun (sometimes) on rifle form to allow the average home defender an easy time shooting in a high pressure situation. A handgun's accuracy falls off fast when nerves are on the line.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
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Assault Rifles are military rifles with selective fire capability with either burst or full auto fire or both. These are not the "Assault Weapons" being spoken of in the media. These are heavily controlled and are pretty much never used in crimes or found on the street.

Assault Weapon is an invented term to describe a scary looking, but otherwise ordinary, semi-auto rifle.

There is really no such thing as an Assault Weapon. It is a term arbitrarily assigned to scary looking rifles.
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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Assault Rifles are military rifles with selective fire capability with either burst or full auto fire or both. These are not the "Assault Weapons" being spoken of in the media. These are heavily controlled and are pretty much never used in crimes or found on the street.

Assault Weapon is an invented term to describe a scary looking, but otherwise ordinary, semi-auto rifle.

There is really no such thing as an Assault Weapon. It is a term arbitrarily assigned to scary looking rifles.
Obligatory:

 

BrightCandle

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Glad you are pursuing something important to you. Dick's has clearly broken contract, and under specific performance you should be able to get an ar-15 out of them at the price you originally agreed on, which may end up them having to buy one elsewhere at greater cost to fulfil or a refund offer involving quite a lot more than you paid them to be able to buy equivalent.

It as good there are people that understand their purchasing rights well enough to fight these basic breaches of law. Of course I only think people should do it when they generally need to, seems in this case there is quite an lot of dollars riding on it so certainly worth it monetarily as long as its quick.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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Was just at the local DSG B&M. They have a rather large-ish sign behind the checkout counters that states basically we can cancel pre-orders for any reason. Would have taken pic but phone is dead.

Happy holidays.
 

KlokWyze

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It's a big box store that doesn't give a shit about anyone. Take your refund with a $100 bonus and move on with your life. There are plenty of other places where you can get this. Try a smaller local shop.
 

Geosurface

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Was just at the local DSG B&M. They have a rather large-ish sign behind the checkout counters that states basically we can cancel pre-orders for any reason. Would have taken pic but phone is dead.

Happy holidays.

Seems fairly likely they put that up BECAUSE of this debacle.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Was just at the local DSG B&M. They have a rather large-ish sign behind the checkout counters that states basically we can cancel pre-orders for any reason. Would have taken pic but phone is dead.

Happy holidays.

yeah i can say they had NEVER had that before this last week.
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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It's a big box store that doesn't give a shit about anyone. Take your refund with a $100 bonus and move on with your life. There are plenty of other places where you can get this. Try a smaller local shop.
Show us one for the same price.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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Seems fairly likely they put that up BECAUSE of this debacle.

Doubtful. I've seen it in another DSG that I haven't been to in over a year at least. Best Buy has a similar billboard thing over most of their PC fix-it station things as well.
 

OverVolt

Lifer
Aug 31, 2002
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The "scary looks" do the gun control guys some good since apparently the only thing that makes them understand that the pointy end is dangerous is if it looks like it came out of a videogame/movie.
 

boomhower

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Sep 13, 2007
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It's a big box store that doesn't give a shit about anyone. Take your refund with a $100 bonus and move on with your life. There are plenty of other places where you can get this. Try a smaller local shop.

Good luck with that. A bare bones bottom brand AR is going for double what the OP paid. For a comparable rifle your going to be $2k easy in this climate.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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Doubtful. I've seen it in another DSG that I haven't been to in over a year at least. Best Buy has a similar billboard thing over most of their PC fix-it station things as well.

This isn't surprising and in line with their (and every other major store's) online policy. OP is in for a rude awakening since Dick's did not guarantee him the AR in writing. But let him waste his time and money, no sweat off our backs. Notice how he also refuses to take monetary bets with members in this thread. If he was so sure, he'd put his money where his mouth is.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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Good luck with that. A bare bones bottom brand AR is going for double what the OP paid. For a comparable rifle your going to be $2k easy in this climate.

Wait a year or so until all of the neocon idiots have blown their money and suppliers continue to make more.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Yeah, that's breach of contract. They COULD deliver the goods, but CHOOSE not to even after the purchase order was executed.

You can't do that. Hope the litigation goes as it should. For Troy, I'm sure Walmart would be happy to sell their product that DSG promised to sell.
 
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boomhower

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Sep 13, 2007
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Wait a year or so until all of the neocon idiots have blown their money and suppliers continue to make more.

We'll just have to wait and see if you can buy one in a year.

Yeah, that's breach of contract. They COULD deliver the goods, but CHOOSE not to even after the purchase order was executed.

You can't do that. Hope the litigation goes as it should. For Troy, I'm sure Walmart would be happy to sell their product that DSG promised to sell.

They shouldn't have trouble rinding another retailer, or use more than one and broaden the sales base. Walmart, Cabelas, Academy, among others would be happy to sell them.
 
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