Dick's is a bunch of *****.

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Geosurface

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HumblePie,

I'm sorry you are having to deal first with this bullshit from Dick's, and now with this endless procession of dicks in your thread piling on like a swarm of buzzards, trying to each outdo one another with their "pwnage" - and some have the audacity to call you childlike?

You're right on the money in your feeling that a lot of this is anti-gun nuts busting your balls because of specifically what your purchase item was. If it was a camping tent, several of them would be much more sympathetic to your situation. I'm not saying I think those people would be on board for a lawsuit... but they wouldn't be busting your balls in this way. Many more beyond those, would simply have not responded at all. Of this, I have no doubt.

I have no idea at all how your legal avenue will play out. Maybe it will fizzle and maybe you will end up regretting putting the effort into it. However, regardless of how it goes I admire you standing up for what is right, and what the law and your contract with them for the sale dictate. If there is not a class action going, perhaps you are the right person to get that ball rolling?

You are standing up, in your own small way, against the forces of irrationality. The same forces of irrationality that lead people to knee jerk into trying to ban these weapons because some lone crazy did something horrible.

Perhaps your cause is ill-fated, but I would rather stand with you, the law, and what is right... than with the forces of emotion, knee jerk, and irrationality.

I wish you the best of luck, in your legal proceedings, and in dealing with these fuckers in the thread.
 

arrfep

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HumblePie,

I'm sorry you are having to deal first with this bullshit from Dick's, and now with this endless procession of dicks in your thread piling on like a swarm of buzzards, trying to each outdo one another with their "pwnage" - and some have the audacity to call you childlike?

You're right on the money in your feeling that a lot of this is anti-gun nuts busting your balls because of specifically what your purchase item was. If it was a camping tent, several of them would be much more sympathetic to your situation. I'm not saying I think those people would be on board for a lawsuit... but they wouldn't be busting your balls in this way. Many more beyond those, would simply have not responded at all. Of this, I have no doubt.

I have no idea at all how your legal avenue will play out. Maybe it will fizzle and maybe you will end up regretting putting the effort into it. However, regardless of how it goes I admire you standing up for what is right, and what the law and your contract with them for the sale dictate. If there is not a class action going, perhaps you are the right person to get that ball rolling?

You are standing up, in your own small way, against the forces of irrationality. The same forces of irrationality that lead people to knee jerk into trying to ban these weapons because some lone crazy did something horrible.

Perhaps your cause is ill-fated, but I would rather stand with you, the law, and what is right... than with the forces of emotion, knee jerk, and irrationality.

I wish you the best of luck, in your legal proceedings, and in dealing with these fuckers in the thread.

You are right that some of the responses are dog-pile messageboard reactions, but I think most people are taking issue with his claim of "mental anguish." IMO, that's where the thread jumped the shark and most sympathy went out the window. I respect the right to own an AR15, and I am as big a proponent of consumer rights as anyone. But if this case really caused the OP "mental anguish," then I would love to have lived the cakewalk that has been his life up till this point. I cannot believe he truly believes he deserves punitive damage compensation for this. And if he does truly believe it, then he's just part of all that's fucked up with the legal system today. Claiming something like this caused "mental anguish" only dilutes the significance of that word. And we wonder why people call 911 when BK is out of french fries.

OP you got your money back, plus $100 on top of it. The most I would ever give you on top of that is compensation for lost wages for the 4 hours you would have waited in line. Except you didn't wait in line. Dick's may have handled the decision poorly post-Newton, but you can't blame them for that. Have some grace.
 

HumblePie

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You are right that some of the responses are dog-pile messageboard reactions, but I think most people are taking issue with his claim of "mental anguish." IMO, that's where the thread jumped the shark and most sympathy went out the window. I respect the right to own an AR15, and I am as big a proponent of consumer rights as anyone. But if this case really caused the OP "mental anguish," then I would love to have lived the cakewalk that has been his life up till this point. I cannot believe he truly believes he deserves punitive damage compensation for this. And if he does truly believe it, then he's just part of all that's fucked up with the legal system today. Claiming something like this caused "mental anguish" only dilutes the significance of that word. And we wonder why people call 911 when BK is out of french fries.

OP you got your money back, plus $100 on top of it. The most I would ever give you on top of that is compensation for lost wages for the 4 hours you would have waited in line. Except you didn't wait in line. Dick's may have handled the decision poorly post-Newton, but you can't blame them for that. Have some grace.

I can put the blame on them. Its entirely their decision. No other retailer did it. Not even walmart that exclusively sells the exact same AR15 used in the Newtown killings.

I stated that they broke the law and I have to sue to get them to fess up. People were claiming there was no point in it and I was pointing out that there certainly was. That there awards for winning such as damages, punitive awards, and even mental anguish. Those are all possible awards for a case like this. Even if I only get damages for the cost difference of a replacement AR15 and my time/money spent in rectifying the situation it is still worth the effort involved. But chances are, in a case such as this which may turn into a class action, there will be punitive awards. When something this big happens from a major store chain that should know better, the courts aren't usually all that lenient on them.
 

Phoenix86

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I encourage OP to file the case...I'm curious to see the end result.
Oh come on throw in your 2 cents, I'm curious.

What would you anticipate the results will be if he files?

I'm seriously doubting the mental anguish part but what if he only asked for $1.00 in damages?

Do you think he'll get the gun or current market value?
 

Fenixgoon

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Dude, how many times have we gotten cancellation emails because there was a pricing error or they exceeded the promotional price? It's not rare at all.

this wasn't a pricing error. and besides, all the pricing errors are quite obvious. a $600 video card for $6? no duh it's wrong. i also imagine they have fine print somewhere that says "if we screw up we're allowed to cancel your order"

this was not the case. there was no error in the advertised price - many rifles had been sold to customers previously at the agreed upon price, including pre-orders. therefore, no error occurred.
 

1sikbITCH

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I bet if Humble Pie had a gun right now he'd march down to Dicks and set those muthafuckers straight!
 

maziwanka

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i really don't give a shit over what the purchased item was for. you profess to have knowledge of the law, so roll with it. file the case and keep us posted as to how far you get.
 

Sho'Nuff

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Actually no.

By contract law, they are bound to fulfill the order. So if I'm am forced to go elsewhere to buy the item, they are required to pay the difference in cost, time, and a bit of punitive damages.

You have an interesting sense of contract law and legal damages.

Assuming you are in a state that has adopted the uniform commercial code (UCC), your contract issue would likely be governed by article 2 of the UCC. Damages are specified in article 2, section 711 of the UCC, which states:

"§ 2-711. Buyer's Remedies in General; Buyer's Security Interest in Rejected Goods.

(1) A breach of contract by the seller includes the seller's wrongful failure to deliver or to perform a contractual obligation, making of a nonconforming tender of delivery or performance, and repudiation.

(2) If the seller is in breach of contract under subsection (1), the buyer, to the extent provided for by this Act or other law, may:

(a) in the case of rightful cancellation, rightful rejection, or justifiable revocation of acceptance, recover so much of the price as has been paid;

(b) deduct damages from any part of the price still due under Section 2-717;

(c) cancel;

(d) cover and have damages under Section 2-712 as to all goods affected whether or not they have been identified to the contract;

(e) recover damages for nondelivery or repudiation under Section 2-713;

(f) recover damages for breach with regard to accepted goods or breach with regard to a remedial promise under Section 2-714;

(g) recover identified goods under Section 2-502;

(h) obtain specific performance or obtain the goods by replevin or similar remedy under Section 2-716;

(i) recover liquidated damages under Section 2-718;

(j) in other cases, recover damages in any manner that is reasonable under the circumstances.

(3) On rightful rejection or justifiable revocation "

You will notice that punitive damages (which are generally not favored in contract law) are not mentioned.

As another poster mentioned, it will cost you lots of time and money to pursue this action legally, and for those reasons Dicks is expecting that no one will sue them. Now, you might have a contract, or you might not. If you have a contract, you might win in court. But are you willing to risk many thousands of dollars (which you may not get back) on a "chance" that you might win?

Of course, the above is not legal advice. And while I am "A" lawyer, I am not "your" lawyer.

Edit: Saw later that this issue occured in Texas, which has not adopted article 2 of the UCC. So, ignore the above.
 
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Sho'Nuff

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And you see the point of severe disappointment there? Which a gift for the holiday season under which the terms of the purchase was suppose to be for fit. I understand the law just fine thanks for highlighting it even further.

Did you miss this part of the prior post?

"Texas allows recovery of mental anguish without physical injury ONLY in the following circumstances: 1) bystander cases; 2) intentional tort – child abduction; 3) defamation; 4) invasion of privacy; 5) telegraph co. failing to deliver a death message in a timely manner (from the old days – still a law though); 6) handling a corpse negligently."

Sorry, but I don't see breach of contract in that description.

Assuming that this is not just one giant troll post, you are probably right in that you likely have a contract with Dicks for purchase of the gun. The question is whether or not it makes sense to sue them to enforce the agreement. Given the very small amount of money involved, my 2 cents is that it is not, at least not unless you were competent to handle the case yourself. Can;t see why an attorney would take it on unless he/she was being paid hourly, as the recovery (for a contingency agreement) is likely to be exceedingly small.
 
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Cerb

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This is deserving of bad word of mouth, negative reviews at online sites that do that sort of thing, the good old BBB, and then don't shop there, again.

You walked out of the store with an IOU. They couldn't fulfill it, so gave back your money, and gave you some store credit for your trouble, since you were stuck waiting. Offer to sell your gift card for $50-75, give them bad reviews, and move on.

They didn't try to pull any scam on you, like infinite delays, or only giving you back store credit only. They refunded you the full purchase price, and then some. Whether or not you have a case by letter of the law--IANAL, like most other posters--you do not ethically have any standing, unless orders for the same item after yours were fulfilled (especially if at a higher price).
 

Capt Caveman

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Did you miss this part of the prior post?

"Texas allows recovery of mental anguish without physical injury ONLY in the following circumstances: 1) bystander cases; 2) intentional tort – child abduction; 3) defamation; 4) invasion of privacy; 5) telegraph co. failing to deliver a death message in a timely manner (from the old days – still a law though); 6) handling a corpse negligently."

Sorry, but I don't see breach of contract in that description.

Assuming that this is not just one giant troll post, you are probably right in that you likely have a contract with Dicks for purchase of the gun. The question is whether or not it makes sense to sue them to enforce the agreement. Given the very small amount of money involved, my 2 cents is that it is not, at least not unless you were competent to handle the case yourself. Can;t see why an attorney would take it on unless he/she was being paid hourly, as the recovery (for a contingency agreement) is likely to be exceedingly small.

soxfan, you may be a lawyer but the OP knows the law in all 50 states better than anyone else. So, don't argue with him.

Yeah, I was wondering if this was a bad parody thread of A Christmas Story but sadly it isn't.
 

Phoenix86

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You walked out of the store with an IOU. They couldn't fulfill it, so gave back your money, and gave you some store credit for your trouble, since you were stuck waiting.
Actually, they could fulfill the order, they chose not to. I doubt that matters from a legal point of view but it's a minor correction/difference.

edit: one could argue the seller refused to fulfill the order because they can make significantly more selling the guns to another reseller due to the current situation, which at the very least is unethical.
 

Phoenix86

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read the OP and rolled my eyes
It's a legitimate complaint.

Let's say this was a purchase for gold.

1 oz at $1500 deliverable in 4 weeks. Paid in cash.
Price of gold triples in that time.
Seller refuses sale, has the gold, but refunds money instead.

Methinks people are just looking at this as a "gun" thread, I'd bet more than half the people flamming the OP are anti-gun and just parroting. OP is obviously going overboard with his "mental anguish" BS (that alone deserves some ridicule).

The item itself is really, really moot.
 

jpeyton

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It's a legitimate complaint.

Let's say this was a purchase for gold.

1 oz at $1500 deliverable in 4 weeks. Paid in cash.
Price of gold triples in that time.
Seller refuses sale, has the gold, but refunds money instead.
Dick's never had the "gold". They took orders for thousands of rifles and expected the market to remain stable for the foreseeable future. Instead we got a perfect storm of shootings/politics/apocalypse that sparked never-before-seen panic buying.

I'm sure if you asked Brownell's back in November if you could buy PMAGs from them around New Years, they would have said "yes" without question. I'm sure they didn't expect all PMAGs to evaporate from manufacturers/distributors worldwide in a matter of 72 hours.

The fact is, the ship has sailed. Even if Dick's wanted to, there is absolutely no way they are fulfilling those orders as promised. You could be the CEO of Walmart and demand 4000 rifles next month, and get laughed out of the room at any rifle manufacturer in the country. Nothing is available, and everything that is being produced has been allocated for the next 6 months.
 
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It's a legitimate complaint.

Let's say this was a purchase for gold.

1 oz at $1500 deliverable in 4 weeks. Paid in cash.
Price of gold triples in that time.
Seller refuses sale, has the gold, but refunds money instead.

Methinks people are just looking at this as a "gun" thread, I'd bet more than half the people flamming the OP are anti-gun and just parroting. OP is obviously going overboard with his "mental anguish" BS (that alone deserves some ridicule).

The item itself is really, really moot.

I'm pretty sure most people are treating it that way, it doesn't matter what the item is. He's being a ridiculous whiny idiot about it. Frankly, I think you have it backward. If this wasn't about a gun, the few people that have defended the OP (especially past the first page after he started to clearly show he's a moron with his mental anguish bullshit) wouldn't be saying anything other than calling the OP a whiny dumbass like the rest are.

I bet more than half the "anti-gun" people being called out are gun owners, so you and those others are just as culpable for cultivating stupid polarized gun comments as anyone else. Its kinda silly to be going "hey I bet most people are just being anti-gun" when aside from like 3 comments from typical trolls (SandEagle, come on no one takes his shit with regards to guns seriously), its you idiots that are injecting all the gun rhetoric. Hell the OP was the first one to do it. Maybe you should read the thread and see that its the anti-anti-gun paranoia that is far more rampant than any anti-gun sentiment in this thread.

The ridicule for the OP is due to his absurd claims of mental anguish and legal claims even when he's talking to lawyers.
 

HumblePie

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You have an interesting sense of contract law and legal damages.


Edit: Saw later that this issue occured in Texas, which has not adopted article 2 of the UCC. So, ignore the above.

http://www.burger.com/typdmges.htm

Texas law states and I quote...

Basic Benefit of the Bargain Damages: When a plaintiff sues for damages from a breach of a contract, the general rule is that an amount may be awarded that will put the plaintiff "in as good a position as if the defendant had performed" on the contract. R. G. McClung Cotton Co. v. Cotton Concentration Co., 479 S.W.2d 733, 738 (Tex.Civ.App. Dallas 1972, writ ref'd n.r.e.).

Goods: For example, if a buyer fails to pay for the goods, the seller can sue for the agreed contract price, even if that is higher than the market price. If a seller of goods refuses to sell at the agreed price, the buyer may purchase substitute goods and recover the difference between the cost of the substitute and the contract price.

The seller failed to deliver goods at an agreed upon price. They must award any amount in damages to put me into as position as if they had performed as they should have.

Basically, if the goods were originally $800, but are now $5000, then they owe me the difference. They also would owe me damages which would include lawyer fees, time, and any other costs to get that award.

Care to refute any of that?
 

Phoenix86

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Dick's never had the "gold". They took orders for thousands of rifles and expected the market to remain stable for the foreseeable future. Instead we got a perfect storm of shootings/politics/apocalypse that sparked never-before-seen panic buying.
They said the rifles were due in soon, implying it was being shipped to stores/warehouse. They were told to pull stock, implying they had stock to fulfill the orders.

I'm pretty sure most people are treating it that way, it doesn't matter what the item is. He's being a ridiculous whiny idiot about it.
Perhaps you're right, I thought he pulled the mental anguish card much later in the thread.
 

abaez

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Just file the damn lawsuit. Let us know when you lose it. Or not since you'd never post the result.
 

HumblePie

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Perhaps you're right, I thought he pulled the mental anguish card much later in the thread.

I did as people were saying there was no way I would recover anything. I gave all the possible awards that could be recovered which is damages, punitive, and mental anguish are all possibles. Then someone nit picked and said that mental anguish only works on certain claims and I got into a nerd fight by showing the case law that proves that not true. But people went on to roll with that just because I made mention of that.
 

HumblePie

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Just file the damn lawsuit. Let us know when you lose it. Or not since you'd never post the result.

Got to go through the proper channels first. Drafting a legal letter, waiting for a response to that letter, and then proceed from there. If Dick's fulfills the order as they should, there is no need for a lawsuit.
 
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this wasn't a pricing error. and besides, all the pricing errors are quite obvious. a $600 video card for $6? no duh it's wrong. i also imagine they have fine print somewhere that says "if we screw up we're allowed to cancel your order"

this was not the case. there was no error in the advertised price - many rifles had been sold to customers previously at the agreed upon price, including pre-orders. therefore, no error occurred.

Did you miss the part in my OP about promotional pricing? Just this black friday I ordered an SSD from newegg and got a confirmation email from them. Then, 1 day later, they emailed me back that they basically said though luck, although we processed your order and charged your CC, the item is no longer in stock and we are issuing a refund.

Sounds a lot like the OP doesn't it? Order placed on agreed upon price, card charge, order cancelled, the end.
 
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