Dick's is a bunch of *****.

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HumblePie

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Did you miss the part in my OP about promotional pricing? Just this black friday I ordered an SSD from newegg and got a confirmation email from them. Then, 1 day later, they emailed me back that they basically said though luck, although we processed your order and charged your CC, the item is no longer in stock and we are issuing a refund.

Sounds a lot like the OP doesn't it? Order placed on agreed upon price, card charge, order cancelled, the end.

Was your card actually charged or was there a hold placed? Cause last time I checked, Newegg never actually charges your card until the order ships. There were a few laws enacted over this a few years ago. A HOLD on funds is legal and isn't a binding sale yet. I get those all the time. In my case, it was a SALE as funds were transferred.
 
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Was your card actually charged or was there a hold placed? Cause last time I checked, Newegg never actually charges your card until the order ships. There were a few laws enacted over this a few years ago. A HOLD on funds is legal and isn't a binding sale yet. I get those all the time. In my case, it was a SALE as funds were transferred.

it was charged. From the email:

"Please be informed that we have completed processing your refund in the amount of $108.74. You will receive your refund within 3-5 business days in the original payment method used when purchases were placed. We have noted that you have used VISA for this order."
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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it was charged. From the email:

"Please be informed that we have completed processing your refund in the amount of $108.74. You will receive your refund within 3-5 business days in the original payment method used when purchases were placed. We have noted that you have used VISA for this order."

And their reasoning for refunding? The FTC governs interstate commerce. There are relevant laws that protect consumers even for online purchases. In my case though, it wasn't an online interstate transaction which has different laws governing that form of transaction. Mine was a face to face transaction with cash and a bill of sale. Quite the difference set of circumstances. But I'll research real quick what options you had for your case.
 
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And their reasoning for refunding? The FTC governs interstate commerce. There are relevant laws that protect consumers even for online purchases. In my case though, it wasn't an online interstate transaction which has different laws governing that form of transaction. Mine was a face to face transaction with cash and a bill of sale. Quite the difference set of circumstances. But I'll research real quick what options you had for your case.

By the time they processed my order, the item was OOS.

Don't waste your time researching, I don't plan on taking any action so it's a moot point.

Personally, I would think your time is better used developing your own case rather than explaining the law and distinguishing circumstances to ATOT.
 

HumblePie

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Just looked it up. Even if the item was a price mistake, as long as they had that item then the states laws regarding price mistakes where the company is located dictate the actions of the retailer. In your case, Newegg is in California. As such, Newegg is governed by California law and trade practices.

However, Newegg has a little check mark box at the time of check out that you agree to the terms of the sale. Which is that if a price error on an item was discovered before shipping, they have a right to back out of the sale. California allows that to be apart of a sale contract.

So in your case, Newegg had every right to back out of a price mistake. In my case, I signed no such agreement when I made my purchase. MASSIVE difference.
 

HumblePie

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By the time they processed my order, the item was OOS.

Don't waste your time researching, I don't plan on taking any action so it's a moot point.

Personally, I would think your time is better used developing your own case rather than explaining the law and distinguishing circumstances to ATOT.

You couldn't even if you wanted to with Newegg. They have you agree to the terms of their sale policies. Which is that they can back out of a sale that hasn't shipped yet in case of a price mistake. You can't complete the order without checking the agreement box which is a conscientious act on your part to do that.
 

Dari

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The funny thing I see happening is that, by the time the lawyers are done delaying this case, the item purchased will either be outlawed or the price will have come down to the normal level. Either way, the OP will lose. No way will the price stay at $5000 as he hopes.
 

Hugh Jass

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OP is a whiny, over-reactionary twat waffle who thinks the world should care about the fact that he was unable to procure his idiotic tool of mass death that no average citizen should even have access to in the first place...eff him and his "problem"...nothing more to see here...move along.
 

Wyndru

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This is 8 pages of the same thing, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over,

or divisible by the posts per page, sorry i forgot that

gun hobbyists -> OT (sounds good to me, its a hobby)
political opinions against guns? -> Not Here

I'm not a fan of guns, but I hate the whining in the wrong place.
 
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Cerb

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Actually, they could fulfill the order, they chose not to.
That is a possibility. Have they said anything publicly about it? It's quite possible that either one is true:

1. It's like what the guy used to shoot people with, so we don't want to be seen selling it. We're PC, and if this bothers you, go shop at your local gun stores, or a chain that isn't like us.

2. We're sold out, our distributor is sold out, and the manufacturer can't keep up. We can't fulfill any outstanding orders for 2012. Sorry, guys.

If they already are selling them to other buyers, or start to again very soon, then the OP has a real grievance. In that case, it's them wanting to screw him (and surely others) out of the promotional price due to an increase in demand.

In the case of an item coming in again, soon, they should rightfully offer anyone with a pending order an option to wait for the new shipments.

In the case that they can't get them, and won't be able to guarantee any stock for the foreseeable future, the OP wasn't treated unfairly.
 

sourceninja

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Meh, I wouldn't care as long as I got my money back. I'd take the gift card, buy something worth 100 bucks and then return it a few days later for cash.
 

dabuddha

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You not only got your money back but you got a $100 gift card and you're whining? Grow the fuck up OP and stop being a whiny ass bitch.
 
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Just looked it up. Even if the item was a price mistake, as long as they had that item then the states laws regarding price mistakes where the company is located dictate the actions of the retailer. In your case, Newegg is in California. As such, Newegg is governed by California law and trade practices.

However, Newegg has a little check mark box at the time of check out that you agree to the terms of the sale. Which is that if a price error on an item was discovered before shipping, they have a right to back out of the sale. California allows that to be apart of a sale contract.

So in your case, Newegg had every right to back out of a price mistake. In my case, I signed no such agreement when I made my purchase. MASSIVE difference.

Read my post again...there was no price error. The item was advertised in stock, I placed the order, they carded the card and emailed receipt, then by the time the order was processed, item was OOS. I got a cancellation email and card was charged back. At no time did newegg say it was a pricing error because it wasn't. My roommate got the same SSD for the advertised price (it was one of their top black friday sellers). next theory?
 
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HumblePie

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Read my post again...there was no price error. The item was advertised in stock, I placed the order, they carded the card and emailed receipt, then by the time the order was processed, item was OOS. I got a cancellation email and card was charged back. At no time did newegg say it was a pricing error because it wasn't. My roommate got the same SSD for the advertised price (it was one of their top black friday sellers). next theory?

Go read their terms and agreements. Price errors, stock errors, or any other error they can cancel the order before shipping and give a refund.
 

purbeast0

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i'm just confused as to how them refunding you your money + giving you a $100 giftcard because they could not honor the sale is "breaking the law" lol.
 

OutHouse

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Originally Posted by HumblePie View Post
Actually no.

By contract law, they are bound to fulfill the order.

you keep saying this. care to show us what contract law you are using?

i am asking because i have never heard of a receipt of payment referenced as a contract.
 
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HumblePie

Lifer
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i'm just confused as to how them refunding you your money + giving you a $100 giftcard because they could not honor the sale is "breaking the law" lol.

They COULD honor the sale, they made a decision not to. That is the breaking the law part.
 

purbeast0

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They COULD honor the sale, they made a decision not to. That is the breaking the law part.

how do you know they could have honored it?

just because you say it is breaking the law doesn't mean it is breaking the law.
 

HumblePie

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As an update, got off the phone with Troy Industries, the company making the rifle.

1) Troy is very upset with DSG (Dick's Sporting Goods) right now over this incident.
2) Troy Industries MAY be looking to seek litigation as well for perceived damages and loss of image from DSG over this
3) Troy is going to fulfill all orders placed at Dick's by customers. They will announce how they plan to do so as soon as the logistics are worked out.

Troy Industries is continuing to make and had shipped orders to be fulfilled to DSG. DSG HAD a huge shipment ready to give to customers they were sitting on. Those items were neither given to customers nor have they been returned to Troy Industries.

Depending upon what DSG does with those firearms can lead to them getting into a larger amount of trouble than what is already brewing for them. The smart thing for them to do would be to just take the items that they have in stock and fulfill their orders. The shitstorm that will land on them if they don't I have no sympathy for them over. Talking lawsuits from customers, lawsuits from Troy Industries, and fines from the FTC are easily foreseeable. Who knows what else may occur as well.

As for my lawyer, he is drafting a legal letter to send to DSG today. After that, he said to wait and see what happens. Since the manufacturer might make good on all this despite what DSG has done, then I can get restitution that way. However, he said if that happens, there is still a chance for a large class action lawsuit to be filed and it would be in my best interest to jump on board if that happened.
 
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