Did anyone read about what THG is pulling on Van Smith?

Rand

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It's not all-together fair... but too hell with it, Van doesnt deserve anything better.
Van Smith is a mockery of any reputable reviewer, and ridiculously and plainly biased.

 

Pariah

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Maybe if this guy wasn't such a disgrace to journalism he wouldn't receive such treatment. His claims of slander are just another example of his sad attempts to draw attention to himself. Denial of existence is not slander. What THG did wasn't right, but it's certainly understandable why they are trying to distance themselves from him.
 

Sunner

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Normally, I'd think it was low, but since it's Van we're talking about, I can't help but laugh at it instead
 

Hender

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The identity of the person doesn't matter. I don't care if he's the biggest AMD fanboy out there or you think he's a bumbling idiot, it's still wrong to do. Tom could have archived them, or made a note that Van was no longer working for THG, but instead he chose to completely change ownership. I've never read Van's site, and I don't agree with his conclusion that all these hardware sites are selling out or part of a vast Intel conspiracy to promote Intel products over AMD's through marketing dollars, but his conclusions about the actions Tom has taken are right on the money.
 

WilsonTung

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I have never liked Van Smith's articles - unfortunately they are just too biased and sensationalistic. But I have to agree that Tom's Hardware should not have removed Van Smith's name from those articles. I think it's better for THG to have the ideas in those articles attributable to Van rather than THG. After all, the conclusions that Van arrived at were often very wrong (and look almost idiotic in retrospect).
 

grant2

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THG sure struck me as sleazy the last few years and now this is just proof.

"Van Smith? Who's Van Smith?" ... ya i'm sure they're stripping all records of him cuz they're honestly mystified as to who he is...
 

Bleep

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Tom Pabst is a radical american hater.
Are there anyone here remembers when he left California on his way to Australia and ranted and ranted about the American people and the media?
How stupid out goverment was? And how misinformed we were about computers?
He is just a pimple on a skunks butt.
Bleep
 

AGodspeed

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Van puts even the most die hard AMD zealots to shame.

However, I still think THG should have handled this better. THG still hasn't released some type of statement or something explaining the situation. I still find it rather pathetic that Tom put his own name in place of one of Van's articles instead of Van's name. What's that all about? How is Tom going to justify that?

The longer THG waits the worse their image is going to get.
 

merlocka

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Van obviously worked for THG when these articles were published. Does he own the material published on THG? I doubt it. I assume THG was paying him for his articles, and if so they become property of THG. THG can then do with them as they please. If anyone has details on the contract between Van and THG, please comment. Otherwise, everything else is speculation.

The thought that "Tom's Hardware Guide is guilty of criminal slander" (as declared by VAN) is laughable at best. If anyone has slandered Van, it's Van.

 

EdipisReks

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this is no worse than the slanderour remarks that Van himself has delivered and continues to deliver against others. i have absolutely no sympathy for him.

--jacob
 

Jhhnn

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Hhhmmmm.....

I have a problem with anybody changing the authorship of anything- it's plagiarism, pure and simple. If I owned the copyright to "The Great Gatsby" it would be wrong for me to claim authorship, just as it would be wrong to claim authorship for somebody else's drivel.

Leaving Van's name off the byline for owned material still available on the site would be one thing, putting one's own in his place is quite another....
 

WilsonTung

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<< Van obviously worked for THG when these articles were published. Does he own the material published on THG? >>

This is true and there is precedent for it. I think most if not all engineering companies make employees sign a contract saying any inventions or intellectual property they develop related to their job belongs to the company. Thus, while Van was in the pay of THG, the IP he generated could have become the property of THG.

Still, I think THG was silly to remove Van's name from those articles. Do they really want to be associated further with those rants?
 

Scootin159

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Yeah, because Van did work there @ the time, THG does own the material. My guess is that the article in question where Van's name got changed to Tom's is because Tom helped write it, but that's still a shady situation. I think they should still give Van his bylines, but just add a clause that he no longer is part of THG. They also have the option of removing the articles all together.
 

GL

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We're only getting one side of this. I have a sneaking suspicion Van Smith is attempting or was contemplating legal action against THG prior to this happening and that this response to remove the by-lines was under the advice of legal counsel. Perhaps Van Smith was trying to sue for the rights of these articles? It may sound ridiculous but when it comes to Van Smith, you just can't count anything out. I would like to know the full story behind his leaving THG. Van says he quit. I wonder if that's true.
 

socketman

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If your a journalist, then it does not matter who pays you... they have to give you credit. Second, what constitutes a journalist is VERY liberally interpreted by the courts. If Van can prove he wrote the articles, and that Tom published, payed, or in any way displayed them.... Van wins, pure and simple.
The co-authorship thing gets into a gray area. But even if Van only contributed a small amount to the articles, he is entitled to co-authorship recognition.

It is irrelevant how crappy his articles are, if Tom altered the "by line", he can be sued and likely Van would win. But as someone else pointed out. We are only seeing one side of the story.
Overall, I would say Tom's reputation is not doing so well anyway. THis article thing doesnt help.

My specific gripes with Tom include:

1. Comparing benchmarks with hardware significantly different as to negate the efficacy of the results (wow, that sounded anal didnt it?)

2. His comments on benchmark results often do not reflect what I see in the benchmarks.

EX: Wow the Pentium 4 really ran away with that benchmark
the benchmark would show the P4 winning by 3%. Thats not "running away" , thats a nose ahead

3. ANand routinely beats Tom in news stories. I saw the IDF stuff on Anand at 4:00am. It took Tom to late afternoon to get their stuff up. The headline on Tom's article said "exclusive" look at the Hammer. When even Tom's own pictures showed other people in the room taking pictures of the Hammer. Anands stuff had more pictures( and closer up) and the content was far more imformative than Toms.

4. Toms forums has turned into a sesspool of trolls and whiners. I find the help available here on Anand more helpfull and direct.

***end of rant****

 

socketman

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If your a journalist, then it does not matter who pays you... they have to give you credit. Second, what constitutes a journalist is VERY liberally interpreted by the courts. If Van can prove he wrote the articles, and that Tom published, payed, or in any way displayed them.... Van wins, pure and simple.
The co-authorship thing gets into a gray area. But even if Van only contributed a small amount to the articles, he is entitled to co-authorship recognition.

It is irrelevant how crappy his articles are, if Tom altered the "by line", he can be sued and likely Van would win. But as someone else pointed out. We are only seeing one side of the story.
Overall, I would say Tom's reputation is not doing so well anyway. THis article thing doesnt help.

My specific gripes with Tom include:

1. Comparing benchmarks with hardware significantly different as to negate the efficacy of the results (wow, that sounded anal didnt it?)

2. His comments on benchmark results often do not reflect what I see in the benchmarks.

EX: Wow the Pentium 4 really ran away with that benchmark
the benchmark would show the P4 winning by 3%. Thats not "running away" , thats a nose ahead

3. ANand routinely beats Tom in news stories. I saw the IDF stuff on Anand at 4:00am. It took Tom to late afternoon to get their stuff up. The headline on Tom's article said "exclusive" look at the Hammer. When even Tom's own pictures showed other people in the room taking pictures of the Hammer. Anands stuff had more pictures( and closer up) and the content was far more imformative than Toms.

4. Toms forums has turned into a sesspool of trolls and whiners. I find the help available here on Anand more helpfull and direct.

***end of rant****

 

xtreme2k

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I dont know why Toms has to put Vans name on his site when this is what is on vans site.

http://www.vanshardware.com/misc/vhj_links.htm

Tom's Hardware Guide -- My old haunt, a large number of my articles are there. UPDATED: The quality and objectivity of Tom's Hardware has degraded to such a point that I am disabling this link. I will compile a list of direct links to my articles there.

AnandTech -- Originally, Anand offered me a job about an hour or two before Tom did. I often wonder what life would have been like if I had gone to AnandTech instead of to THG. Many times I have issues with Anand's content, but I think he he has tried to maintain his integrity. UPDATED: The quality and objectivity of AnandTech has degraded to such a point that I am disabling this link.

Tell me, what a load of BS from Vans. As if his articles any better than Toms and Anandtechs. Far out, his recent Duron articles, doesnt have a SINGLE REAL WORLD BENCHMARK. It is ALL BASED ON HIS OWN BIASED AMD SYNTHETIC BENCHMARK THAT CAME OUT FROM NOWHERE.

The fact is that Toms paid Vans to write those articles FOR HIS SITE. Whether he publish them in any way is Toms decision. Vans deserves the crap. End of story.

 

DSTA

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We're only getting one side of this.

Agree with that. With what we know, the scenario looks too much like Kindergarten -- even for those two clowns.

BTW, the reason I really wanted to add a comment:

"Knowing how to drive a racing car is like knowing how to treat a woman - if you're confident that when you get into her you'll be able to drive her hard and go the distance, the likelihood is that you'll score." - Jean Alesi

Hadn't heard that Alesi quote. Very good . Dunno if you know, but he's driving in a German touring car championship this year. Can't wait to see how he does.
 

Sunner

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LOL, Van of all the people on this earth complaining about the integrity of Anand and Tom?
And a "warrants concern" for Ace's.

Thats a good one
 

GL

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<< We're only getting one side of this.

Agree with that. With what we know, the scenario looks too much like Kindergarten -- even for those two clowns.

BTW, the reason I really wanted to add a comment:

"Knowing how to drive a racing car is like knowing how to treat a woman - if you're confident that when you get into her you'll be able to drive her hard and go the distance, the likelihood is that you'll score." - Jean Alesi

Hadn't heard that Alesi quote. Very good . Dunno if you know, but he's driving in a German touring car championship this year. Can't wait to see how he does.
>>



Yeah I'm trying to get some news on how Alesi is doing over there. I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic for DTM...I'll probably have to wait for the winter to watch re-runs of the season while Speed Channel floods us with NASCAR coverage

Anyways, Tom's still hasn't responded to this topic. Honestly, there's something we're not being told here. Does anyone have more insight into how/why Van left THG?
 

spazntwich1

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Well, someone has to say this.

I think you all are just bashing Van so much in all of this because he dislikes the website of your infallible god Anand!
























*puts on specialized flame suit designed to protect from attacks of people who take sarcastic comments too seriously*
 

andreasl

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<< I think you all are just bashing Van so much in all of this because he dislikes the website of your infallible god Anand! >>



That may be true for some, but what I hate even more about Van is even his suggestion that Ace's was on the take... I frowned when I read that. Van Smith deserves all the heat he recieves, but that doesn't justify THG's actions. In fact, Tom Pabst seems to be a much bigger @$$ than Van Smith in RL.

I hope both their sites will die off. THG hasn't improved for several years while all other sites have, in fact it has only gotten worse. VH is an AMD fansite in disguise (but doing a poor job at hiding it)
 
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