Did anyone see Bush's speech at the Naval Hospital yesterday?

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What, what, what, etech. Did I insult? I didn't mean to. It was only an opinion intended like your own:

etech:

"It's my opinion that you molest underage goats and camels.

Is my opinion wrong?"

How should I have properly phrased it. I study carefully your left handed complements and the way you work your lateral jibes. Should I have said:


It's my opinion, etech, that you molest properly aged goats and camels.

LOL

Is my opinion wrong?

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: bentwookie

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: etech
It's my opinion that you molest underage goats and camels.

Is my opinion wrong?

You didn't give me an opinion - you stated 'percieved' facts and added the word 'opinion' in front of it.

Bush was talking about people who were anti-war. They have opinions, and they believe them. That's not wrong.

a lot of opinions are perceived facts

i before e except after c, college boy.

Except as in weigh or in sleigh.

 

[RyanM]

Phokus, I notice that Libertarian link in your profile. I can't quite fathom how someone who believes in the core tenets of Libertarianism can be against this war, as your comments in the past have lead me to believe.

As for the God in Politics thing, I wish it weren't there. Mixing religion with politics seems about as logical as mixing religion with psychotropic drugs. It ain't a pretty thing.

Nonetheless, as a Libertarian, I also believe it is GWB's right to believe in something, and I would be foolhardy to think lower of him simply based on his beliefs. I may hope to Hank that someday, religion is something that people talk about in museums while snickering to themselves about how foolish it is, but I'll be damned if you hear me personally attack someone because of it.

I don't believe that religion is the root cause of all war - I believe that religion is often used by extremists as an easy way of recruiting supporters for a war. Osama Bin Laden didn't begin to pray to Allah until he found a need to recruit followers so he could act out his psychotic aggressions against the west. The Spanish Inquisition was merely a way to strike fear into the hearts of those who opposed the regime at the time, frightening them into backing down.

And the "Nation under God" was only added to the pledge during the Eisenhower administration. The original pledge, circa 1892, went as follows: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

Anyways, I'm done opining. I need me some sleep. And that's a fact, jack.

 

[Mrburns2007]

o·pin·ion

n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

 

[RyanM]

Burnsie - LOVE the quote in your sig. I guess some people missed the whole "American Revolution" thing in History. Or maybe they fell asleep in class and thought it was a show on MTV.

 

[render]

Right and Wrong

no middles?

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, Jesus, if it wasn't for the Revolutionary War we'd be living under the great dictator, Tony Blair. God what a nightmare. Thank God for all that killing.

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: render
Right and Wrong

no middles?

In what situation?

Some scenarios are True/False.

Some are A, B, C, and D.

Some are an infinite number of shades of grey. It all depends on what the question is.

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yeah, Jesus, if it wasn't for the Revolutionary War we'd be living under the great dictator, Tony Blair. God what a nightmare. Thank God for all that killing.

Please, tell me that was sarcasm.

I can state with complete confidence that Tony Blair wouldn't be alive today if the Revolutionary War hadn't been waged.

And I also can state with complete confidence that the ensuing reform in GB following the revolution would also not have occured, so if by some freak chance of genetics and environmental factors Tony Blair DID exist in this alternate reality, he wouldn't be at the position in the government with the power he has because the MONARCHY would still be more than just a figurepiece.

 

[Moonbeam]

It was neither sarcasm nor not sarcasm, it was intended as a thought provoker. People automatically assume that some hallowed event in the past absolved of of some horrilbe future, but the fact of the matter is, contrary to your certainty otherwise, that we have no idea what our future would be absent various instances in the past. It's a 'what if' about which we can only speculate. Without the revolutionary way we might be living in utopia. Neither you nor I have the faintest idea. A potential father to the greatest spiritual leader ever to live might have been killed in that war.

 

[Iwentsouth]

This war will end when our commanders in the field tell me that the objective has been achieved. And Tommy Franks put together a great strategy. Wonderful thing about free speech and a lot of TV stations is you get a lot of opinions. Some of them were right, and some of them were really wrong. But that's okay. That's what we -- that's what we believe; we believe in free speech, believe people ought to be able to express their opinion.

That is the full quote. Most the opinions on all networks and print were pretty much wrong about the war.

anyone else remember the PAUSE!

 

[Mrburns2007]

Originally posted by: MachFive
Burnsie - LOVE the quote in your sig. I guess some people missed the whole "American Revolution" thing in History. Or maybe they fell asleep in class and thought it was a show on MTV.

Thanks, your the first person to comment on it.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What, what, what, etech. Did I insult? I didn't mean to. It was only an opinion intended like your own:

etech:

"It's my opinion that you molest underage goats and camels.

Is my opinion wrong?"

How should I have properly phrased it. I study carefully your left handed complements and the way you work your lateral jibes. Should I have said:


It's my opinion, etech, that you molest properly aged goats and camels.

Is my opinion wrong?

Yes, moonie, you are lying once again. You are fully aware that I was using an absurd example to prove that an opinion can be wrong. You jumped into the thread only to insult and distract from the topic. Your trolling is becoming tiresome.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

i before e except after c, college boy.

raleigh

Or when sounding like a, as in neighbor and weigh
And on weekends and holidays and all throughout May
And you'll always be wrong no matter what you say!



(gotta love Brian Regan...great comedian)

 

[bentwookie]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: MachFive
Burnsie - LOVE the quote in your sig. I guess some people missed the whole "American Revolution" thing in History. Or maybe they fell asleep in class and thought it was a show on MTV.

Thanks, your the first person to comment on it.

that is a good quote!

 

[bentwookie]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It was neither sarcasm nor not sarcasm, it was intended as a thought provoker. People automatically assume that some hallowed event in the past absolved of of some horrilbe future, but the fact of the matter is, contrary to your certainty otherwise, that we have no idea what our future would be absent various instances in the past. It's a 'what if' about which we can only speculate. Without the revolutionary way we might be living in utopia. Neither you nor I have the faintest idea. A potential father to the greatest spiritual leader ever to live might have been killed in that war.

nothing you post is thought provoking, just gibberish, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Moonbeam]

bent: nothing you post is thought provoking, just gibberish, but that's just my opinion.
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Really, wasn't 'nothing you post is thought provoking, just gibberish' a thought and wasn't the fact you posted it my provocation?
And please note that I intended it as a thought provoker, I can't guarantee it as such. From a turnip, one expects other than thought, no?
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etech: Yes, moonie, you are lying once again. You are fully aware that I was using an absurd example to prove that an opinion can be wrong. You jumped into the thread only to insult and distract from the topic. Your trolling is becoming tiresome.
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Hehe, I love these instances when you tell me what I am really doing and that I was really lying. On some matters we can have opinions, just as that was yours. However, in this case, since you are talking about something that I actually experienced, I need no opinion. I I ACTUALLY KNOW THIS PARTICULAR TRUTH. What you called an absurd truth, one that you could have made up in a thousand ways to demonstrate absurdity, like things fall up, you configured in such a way that it was demeaning to jumpr. It was absurd, yes but it was also demeaning. Now my experience with you, as you well know, includes numerous examples where you try to make these kinds of points by including a demeaning dimension to your argument. My opinion is that you do that intentionally as part of your thrill. I have no particular problem with it, so long as my option to respond in kind is open. It gives you the chance, as here to claim innocence and innocuous actual intent. I'm not going to now call you a liar and say you're hiding your real intent, to deviously cast aspersions. I'll take you at your word. You intended only to make an absurd point. Now that you know that I and perhaps others have a suspicion that you might be up to more, perhaps in future you would be so good as to choose examples with more sensitivity for us PC freaks. I know, for my part, that had you said, 'Things fall up, is my opinion wrong', I couldn't have failed to understand your point as only one designed to provoke thought. My apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. Only you really know if your post was designed for double duty.

 

[etech]

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etech: Yes, moonie, you are lying once again. You are fully aware that I was using an absurd example to prove that an opinion can be wrong. You jumped into the thread only to insult and distract from the topic. Your trolling is becoming tiresome.
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Hehe, I love these instances when you tell me what I am really doing and that I was really lying. On some matters we can have opinions, just as that was yours. However, in this case, since you are talking about something that I actually experienced, I need no opinion. I I ACTUALLY KNOW THIS PARTICULAR TRUTH. What you called an absurd truth, one that you could have made up in a thousand ways to demonstrate absurdity, like things fall up, you configured in such a way that it was demeaning to jumpr. It was absurd, yes but it was also demeaning. Now my experience with you, as you well know, includes numerous examples where you try to make these kinds of points by including a demeaning dimension to your argument. My opinion is that you do that intentionally as part of your thrill. I have no particular problem with it, so long as my option to respond in kind is open. It gives you the chance, as here to claim innocence and innocuous actual intent. I'm not going to now call you a liar and say you're hiding your real intent, to deviously cast aspersions. I'll take you at your word. You intended only to make an absurd point. Now that you know that I and perhaps others have a suspicion that you might be up to more, perhaps in future you would be so good as to choose examples with more sensitivity for us PC freaks. I know, for my part, that had you said, 'Things fall up, is my opinion wrong', I couldn't have failed to understand your point as only one designed to provoke thought. My apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. Only you really know if your post was designed for double duty.[/quote]


Moonie, my orginal post was to jumpr, your reply which had nothing to do with this thread consisted only of trolling. nuff said.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nuff said for you perhaps, but unless you can guarantee that you didn't intentionally avail yourself of an opportunity to take a rather mean shot at jumpr while making a point, that you just chanced on that particular absurdity that is, than you are the one I must consider to be trolling and in violation of this forum's rules. That is how it looked to me and that's why I responded as I did. No freebies for you. But I said I could be wrong and apologize if so. My interpretation of 'nuff said' is that you don't want to admit your double intent or lie by denying it. As far as your assertion that your post was for jumpr, didn't we just volunteer uninvited to save the Iraqis from some bad sh!t? How could I do less with such an inspiring example?