Did Bush win?

[seawolf21]

Originally posted by: Vic
Fair and square.

 

[gil11542]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: gil11542
fair and square with over 50% of the popular vote, why dont you dems do a little research and see when that happened last, The DNC better wise up or it will only get worse. I live in the HeartLand and last night the northeast and west coast heard our voice.

Dude, it was 3% popular vote victory...get over yourselves.

Dude,
I dont think you understand what I am refering to, all president elects since roosevelt have gotten less than 50% of the total popular vote, in Clintons case I think it was 48 or 49 percent of total Americans voted for him, but in thie case at hand BUSH recieved 52 to 53 percent of the total American vote, This is a Strong Message to the Dems and that is my point. swing it back to the right boys.

 

[Strk]

Aye, Bush was finally elected President. :roll:

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: gil11542

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: gil11542
fair and square with over 50% of the popular vote, why dont you dems do a little research and see when that happened last, The DNC better wise up or it will only get worse. I live in the HeartLand and last night the northeast and west coast heard our voice.

Dude, it was 3% popular vote victory...get over yourselves.

Dude,
I dont think you understand what I am refering to, all president elects since roosevelt have gotten less than 50% of the total popular vote, in Clintons case I think it was 48 or 49 percent of total Americans voted for him, but in thie case at hand BUSH recieved 52 to 53 percent of the total American vote, This is a Strong Message to the Dems and that is my point. swing it back to the right boys.

43% in 92, if I remember correctly.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Can't believe 23% of AT members think Bush stole the election.

I can't believe it's only 23% either. I would have thought the percentage would have been more in the range of 75% here in the P&N section. :roll:

 

[scoughlin1]

like others have said, Kerry beat himself.

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: imhotepmp
Are you kidding. This election was so corrupt that I feel like im in a third world country.

A little something that makes you say hmm....

The CEO of Diebold, the supplier of 'electronic' voting systems heavily supported the republican party. In fact he promised to 'deliver' OHIO. Guess what voting machines where used in OHIO. These same machines were also used in Florida and jeb bush, bush's brother is gov of florida and he promised to deliver florida. I wonder why hes so confident? Maybe because he could easily stack the votes, and change people votes without any trace.



Furthermore, these electronic machines have dont give a receipt of your vote, and are very vulnerable to manipulation.
http://tampaindymedia.org/bin/...ire/2004/Nov/80468.dat



On CNN, a women voted for kerry and when the vote came up for review the machine recorded the vote for bush. Hmmm. Luckily this women decided to call a lawyer and have the machine removed. luckly this was brought to someones attention, but who knows how many times this could have happened and wasnt reported.


All across the country there was an active movement by the GOP to dismiss and intimidate as many voters as possible, especially native americans and minorities.

I could go on, but that should be enough to make you think.

im extrmemely disappointed by the amount of complacency by the people.

This is one sad time.

That is CNN for you. THey are one of the if not the most liberal news station out there. THat was only said to get people angry. Also no they cannot be changed especially with Police Officers sitting around there. THis was a fair and square election.

-Kevin

well i don't like the fact that here in Vandalia, MI you go into a booth and pull a lever then push levers on a machine the whole time you are voting.

you never get to see what was actually recorded?

no reciept! nothing!

i have no idea if the machine was operating properly or not etc etc.

i think you should at least get to see the results on the actual card or a copy of the card.

not saying anything was rigged - just saying i never saw what the machine produced after my vote.

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Can't believe 23% of AT members think Bush stole the election.

I can't believe it's only 23% either. I would have thought the percentage would have been more in the range of 75% here in the P&N section. :roll:

nah.... your constituency is pretty well represented here in P & N

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: gil11542

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: gil11542
fair and square with over 50% of the popular vote, why dont you dems do a little research and see when that happened last, The DNC better wise up or it will only get worse. I live in the HeartLand and last night the northeast and west coast heard our voice.

Dude, it was 3% popular vote victory...get over yourselves.

Dude,
I dont think you understand what I am refering to, all president elects since roosevelt have gotten less than 50% of the total popular vote, in Clintons case I think it was 48 or 49 percent of total Americans voted for him, but in thie case at hand BUSH recieved 52 to 53 percent of the total American vote, This is a Strong Message to the Dems and that is my point. swing it back to the right boys.

The fact that Bush supporters make up 51% of the country is not a strong message. Yeah, good job on the record and all that. But you guys represent a VERY small majority.

 

[slyedog]

and a very small majority is all it took to beat the libs.

 

[eplebnista]

Originally posted by: seawolf21

Originally posted by: Vic
Fair and square.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Dont you think its a conflict of interest for a CEO of a company that has political interests to supply the voting machines for an election?

Think about that statement. Once you have thought about it, please name five non-partisan CEO's who could have delivered voting machines to any states. Actually, name me five non-partisan CEO's of top companies.

Anyone of that sort of stature will have some 'political interests'. So many damn conspiracy theories.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

The fact that Bush supporters make up 51% of the country is not a strong message. Yeah, good job on the record and all that. But you guys represent a VERY small majority.

I guess you missed the part where the Democratic party had it's head cut off when Daschle lost his seat. You remember him, right, the nation's highest ranking elected Democrat?

If the public sees partisanship continue, I'd bet money on the Democrats losing more in 06'

 

[timswim78]

The results are pretty much indisputable. Even Senator Kerry admitted that President Bush won what was a very close election.

 

[imhotepmp]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Dont you think its a conflict of interest for a CEO of a company that has political interests to supply the voting machines for an election?

Think about that statement. Once you have thought about it, please name five non-partisan CEO's who could have delivered voting machines to any states. Actually, name me five non-partisan CEO's of top companies.

Anyone of that sort of stature will have some 'political interests'. So many damn conspiracy theories.

Easy way to dismiss facts by calling it a 'conspiracy theory' How about delivering non black box voting machines? Can you even address this issue with a single fact? Not a single person has. OK, lets see if I can make this clear:
Fact 1: These electronic voting machines leave NO PAPER TRAILS. NO receipt. BLACK BOX.
Fact 2: These same machines were known to be have flaws that would allow easy manipulation.
http://tampaindymedia.org/bin/...ire/2004/Nov/80468.dat
Fact 3: The CEO of the compant that makes these machines publicly said he would deliver a state.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm

yes if you take these facts in isolation it may seem ridiculous, but taken together it seems very suspicions. Yes, you would be hard pressed to find a non-partisan CEO, but given all the corruption in florida in rthe recent past(200 election) as well as floridas history of voter manipulation and fraud see
here, Why werent the flaws in these machines reported by the mainstream media? Sure does seem suspicious to me.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Rainsford

The fact that Bush supporters make up 51% of the country is not a strong message. Yeah, good job on the record and all that. But you guys represent a VERY small majority.

I guess you missed the part where the Democratic party had it's head cut off when Daschle lost his seat. You remember him, right, the nation's highest ranking elected Democrat?

If the public sees partisanship continue, I'd bet money on the Democrats losing more in 06'

Moose-

This guy is obviously clueless as to who is in the majority here.... America sounded off last night in a big way.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Since you seem to like conspiracy theories I'll throw out another one for you... this election was determined by Bush and Kerry before it even began. Skull & Bones baby...

And believe me, if there was any credence to your claim, the mainstream media (ABC/CBS/NBC) would have been all over it. Although if I have to choose which one would rather be all over it I would go with CBS.

 

[Babbles]

Again, how could one possibly think that he did not win fair and square?

 

[imhotepmp]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Since you seem to like conspiracy theories I'll throw out another one for you... this election was determined by Bush and Kerry before it even began. Skull & Bones baby...

And believe me, if there was any credence to your claim, the mainstream media (ABC/CBS/NBC) would have been all over it. Although if I have to choose which one would rather be all over it I would go with CBS.

right, just like the mainstream media reported on the arrest and detention of david cobb and micheal badnarik(green and libertatian candidates) when they tried to enter the third debates(Arrest). Yes, the only way to get your news is through NBC, ABC, CBS) [/sarcasm]

This is exactly what Im talking about, people think that just because its not reported by one of the major news agencies, then its just not true.

Thanks for proving my point.

Imouthes

 

[wiin]

Bush won the election fair and square. He won even though the media tried so hard to prevent it
Bias Beyond the Pale

Are you aware that the Pennsylvania race was closer (Kerry gets 51.08%) than the Ohio race (Bush gets 51.2%) or Nevada race (Bush gets 51.4%)? Think about this fact. Did the networks have any problem calling Pennsylvania for Kerry? None whatsoever. I believe one network had Pennsylvania in the Kerry column within an hour of the polls closing. And when one considers that absentee ballots always break in the direction of conservatives, the Pennsylvania race will further tighten while the Ohio race widens.

Are you aware that New Hampshire has 99% of the vote in with 50.7245% for Kerry to 49.2755% for Bush and has been called for Kerry?

Are you aware that Wisconsin has 99% of the vote in with 50.2255% for Kerry to 49.7745% for Bush and has been called for Kerry?


Absentee ballots would only make these races tighter.

Are you aware that Iowa has 99% of the vote in with 50.5325% for Bush to 49.4675% for Kerry and has NOT been called for Bush?

Are you aware that New Mexico has 99% of the vote in with 50.8816% for Bush to 49.1184% for Kerry and has NOT been called for Bush?

Are you aware that Nevada has 99% of the vote in with 51.3536% for Bush to 48.6464% for Kerry and has NOT been called for Bush (except for one network)?

Absentee ballots would only make these races wider.

 

[imhotepmp]

I hear what youre saying...but your post is irrelevant to the matter at hand. No matter what the news agencies 'projected', the final votes tallies are what count.


Imouthes

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
WHoever voted "no he stole" it have very little inteligence. They have no morals. I dont mean to sound like im trolling but honestly people both candidates said to put your problems behind you. Why do people have to be so cold hearted and hard headed?

-Kevin

 

[Abraxas]

Bush won, but before I will say it was fair and square, I would like to see the voting machines in Florida nad Ohio checked. When the CEO of the company, Diebold, that manufactured machines in both those states IIRC pledges to give Ohio to Bush, I have to wonder just how far he went.

 

[daclayman]

Originally posted by: Babbles
Again, how could one possibly think that he did not win fair and square?

Maybe, cuz he didn't win the 1st time fair and square? Duh.

Bush = teh stoopid. Challenge yourself; finish 3rd grade.


edit: I gonna get slammed so:

You people had a chance. A chance to stop record deficit spending and a chance to protect civil rights. You chose Bush. That's fine, but you also chose to put more republicans into Congress. With 4 Supreme Court justices retiring soon, you've also chosen to allow Bush to do whatever the fvck god tells him because he can install whatever right-wing religious freaks that he wants on the Supreme Court. It was great when Bush napped all the time; now he can stay up late and do whatever he wants.

You wanted this, I didn't.

Prayer in skools, Roe vs. Wade, etc. Lots of free money for teh stoopid to play with.

 

[drpootums]

Originally posted by: imhotepmp
Are you kidding. This election was so corrupt that I feel like im in a third world country.

A little something that makes you say hmm....

The CEO of Diebold, the supplier of 'electronic' voting systems heavily supported the republican party. In fact he promised to 'deliver' OHIO. Guess what voting machines where used in OHIO. These same machines were also used in Florida and jeb bush, bush's brother is gov of florida and he promised to deliver florida. I wonder why hes so confident? Maybe because he could easily stack the votes, and change people votes without any trace.



Furthermore, these electronic machines have dont give a receipt of your vote, and are very vulnerable to manipulation.
http://tampaindymedia.org/bin/...ire/2004/Nov/80468.dat



On CNN, a women voted for kerry and when the vote came up for review the machine recorded the vote for bush. Hmmm. Luckily this women decided to call a lawyer and have the machine removed. luckly this was brought to someones attention, but who knows how many times this could have happened and wasnt reported.


All across the country there was an active movement by the GOP to dismiss and intimidate as many voters as possible, especially native americans and minorities.

I could go on, but that should be enough to make you think.

im extrmemely disappointed by the amount of complacency by the people.

This is one sad time.

Ya, it's also a sad time when liberals go and slash tires on GOP vehicals so they cant transport voters...

CNN=Clinton News Network