Did the left lose election after election after election because of being overly PC?

[SlowSpyder]

I think so. I agree with Bill Maher here. The right has plenty of legit issues that could be called out as well, but the left seems to have jumped the shark as of late with how PC everything has become. I think it turns off moderate voters.

Bill Maher on the overly PC left.

 

[Indus]

No.

The left lost because they didn't want to vote establishment Hillary and Trump won because he brought out every closeted racist to the ballot box.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No.

The left lost because they didn't want to vote establishment Hillary and Trump won because he brought out every closeted racist to the ballot box.

Trump is anti-PC to a fault. I think the liberals are PC to a fault.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No because who could possible win against a candidate who is backed by a foreign power that has unlimited funds, unlimited man power and no limits in how they can engage people.

Whether that candidate knew or didn't know the above is a fact agreed upon by all who have any experience in the subject

 

[ivwshane]

The left loses elections recently because they had no strategy at the local level and the GOP did and the GOP managed to gerrymander and put in place its members in key positions (state legislators) to further rig the system.

Complaints of PC-ism are typically from people idiots who want to protect their right to be idiots and not be criticized for their idiocies.

 

[dank69]

No and you are a retard.

 

[Indus]

Trump is anti-PC to a fault. I think the liberals are PC to a fault.

You're telling me, me having a same sex spouse is somehow people in America being PC? No its called freedom and equality.

If you don't like having freedom and equality, you might wanna move to Russia. Best place in the world for it.

 

[BigDH01]

I think so. I agree with Bill Maher here. The right has plenty of legit issues that could be called out as well, but the left seems to have jumped the shark as of late with how PC everything has become. I think it turns off moderate voters.

Bill Maher on the overly PC left.

There are those on the left that are too PC quite obviously and those that are no better than those they supposedly abhor (Berkeley, Evergreen, etc). But they are probably a bit on the fringe-ish side and are located in areas that are pretty liberal anyway. I know some Googlers and the number of pronouns they need to know there is just patently stupid, but that's silicon valley not every state that went to Hillary.

Mostly, the right is fighting a caricature of the left and the right has better marketing as they appeal to fundamental aspects of human nature such as tribalism, fear, and anger. The right is far better at team ball and uniting behind scumbags like Donald even though many I know on that side of the aisle thought he was pathetic during the primaries (they all ended up voting for him). The left has a big tent that is not nearly as unified. I know a lot of misguided Bernie supporters that didn't vote for scumbag Hillary.

Toss those factors in with the fact that the democrats throw up an institutional player, voting policies that favor citizens in Wyoming over California, and the fact that people prefer party over reality and a completely unqualified reality TV star gets elected and turns the white house into reality TV. Says more about us than the left or right or Donald.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No and you are a retard.

I saw this video and it made sense to me. Apparently is makes sense with more than just me. But this board is very left of center, and I see that members would rather double down on their pre-election method of telling each other what they'd like to hear more than reality. Hillary in a landslide and all that.

 

[Indus]

I saw this video and it made sense to me. Apparently is makes sense with more than just me. But this board is very left of center, and I see that members would rather double down on their pre-election method of telling each other what they'd like to hear more than reality. Hillary in a landslide and all that.

No one forces you to be here.

And the electoral college is the most flawed thing this country has and it will split the country apart. Just watch.

 

[vi edit]

Can you define election, after election, after election?

Going back last 30 years Reagan to Bush was the only three-peat Republican win.

 

[dank69]

I saw this video and it made sense to me. Apparently is makes sense with more than just me. But this board is very left of center, and I see that members would rather double down on their pre-election method of telling each other what they'd like to hear more than reality. Hillary in a landslide and all that.

It made sense to you because you are a retard.

 

[senseamp]

So we should be assholes to other people to win elections?

 

[1sikbITCH]

Trump is anti-PC to a fault. I think the liberals are PC to a fault.

There is some truth to this. Obama did not want to appear to be politically incorrect so he did not sound the alarm regarding Russia and Trump before the election. He thought Hilary would win anyhow.

Thanks, Obama.

 

[SlowSpyder]

There are those on the left that are too PC quite obviously and those that are no better than those they supposedly abhor (Berkeley, Evergreen, etc). But they are probably a bit on the fringe-ish side and are located in areas that are pretty liberal anyway. I know some Googlers and the number of pronouns they need to know there is just patently stupid, but that's silicon valley not every state that went to Hillary.

Mostly, the right is fighting a caricature of the left and the right has better marketing as they appeal to fundamental aspects of human nature such as tribalism, fear, and anger. The right is far better at team ball and uniting behind scumbags like Donald even though many I know on that side of the aisle thought he was pathetic during the primaries (they all ended up voting for him). The left has a big tent that is not nearly as unified. I know a lot of misguided Bernie supporters that didn't vote for scumbag Hillary.

Toss those factors in with the fact that the democrats throw up an institutional player, voting policies that favor citizens in Wyoming over California, and the fact that people prefer party over reality and a completely unqualified reality TV star gets elected and turns the white house into reality TV. Says more about us than the left or right or Donald.

Thank you for actually replying vs. just plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and screaming about the evil right. And I agree, I think both sides do that, create a vision (or caricature as you say) and attack that while most people likely fall somewhere more in the middle.

This video resonated with me, it is the biggest issue I have with the left. I think they can and do often go too far left just for the sake of going left. It seems to me like they go beyond common sense at times, I see it on this board that is left leaning. Either I agree 100% with the leftist vision or I'm insulted.

I was very, very anti-Trump (though I was no fan of Hillary either). But the way he is attacked by the left makes me wonder. I almost think their biggest fear is he'll be successful.

 

[BurnItDwn]

The left lost because of gerrymandering and voter discrimination.

The left got more votes, but, gerrymandering made their votes less important than the minority of people who voted the other way.
Voter discrimination prevented hundreds of thousands to millions of people from voting by adding extra steps or making it less convenient or more expensive for them to exercise their right to vote.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It made sense to you because you are a retard.

Nope, you are wrong once again. I think Bill Maher makes some very solid points.

 

[vi edit]

Thank you for actually replying vs. just plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and screaming about the evil right. And I agree, I think both sides do that, create a vision (or caricature as you say) and attack that while most people likely fall somewhere more in the middle.

This video resonated with me, it is the biggest issue I have with the left. I think they can and do often go too far left just for the sake of going left. It seems to me like they go beyond common sense at times, I see it on this board that is left leaning. Either I agree 100% with the leftist vision or I'm insulted.

I was very, very anti-Trump (though I was no fan of Hillary either). But the way he is attacked by the left makes me wonder. I almost think their biggest fear is he'll be successful.

Their is a HUGE shift in ultra-partisan politics. The right has been shifting *HARD* right for the last 10-15 years. See: Tea Party. The left is slowly sliding left. When people on the left don't like something their party is doing they either don't vote or will vote 3rd party. On the right, they fall in line, plug their nose and vote down the party line. The right side politics is getting torn in two. Look at the division between establishment GOP and what Bannon/Mercer is trying to do. They are trying to pull a mini-coup on the US government. Many GOP voters either don't know, or don't care and the rest are just in the "Give me muh librul tears" side of spite voting and vote whoever has R in front of their name. Bernie bros wouldn't do the same.

 

[dank69]

Thank you for actually replying vs. just plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and screaming about the evil right. And I agree, I think both sides do that, create a vision (or caricature as you say) and attack that while most people likely fall somewhere more in the middle.

This video resonated with me, it is the biggest issue I have with the left. I think they can and do often go too far left just for the sake of going left. It seems to me like they go beyond common sense at times, I see it on this board that is left leaning. Either I agree 100% with the leftist vision or I'm insulted.

I was very, very anti-Trump (though I was no fan of Hillary either). But the way he is attacked by the left makes me wonder. I almost think their biggest fear is he'll be successful.

Ok Mr. "Not a retard," perhaps you can tell me exactly what is this "leftist vision"?

 

[SlowSpyder]

The left lost because of gerrymandering and voter discrimination.

The left got more votes, but, gerrymandering made their votes less important than the minority of people who voted the other way.
Voter discrimination prevented hundreds of thousands to millions of people from voting by adding extra steps or making it less convenient or more expensive for them to exercise their right to vote.

I don't totally agree, I like the electoral college. But I do agree both the left and right (but particularly the right in my opinion) like to draw districts not for any practical serve-the-people reasoning, but because it'll help them win.

John Oliver had a great video on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-4dIImaodQ

 

[Blackjack200]

Anyone who is tempted to take anything Bill Maher says seriously should read this.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...maher-lost-his-teeth-and-became-a-parrot.html

 

[BigDH01]

This video resonated with me, it is the biggest issue I have with the left. I think they can and do often go too far left just for the sake of going left. It seems to me like they go beyond common sense at times, I see it on this board that is left leaning. Either I agree 100% with the leftist vision or I'm insulted.

Well, this is an online forum where rules of decorum often don't apply. If you want a centrist-left view of the world go look for Rogan, Sam Harris, or even some of Hitchens old stuff (obviously no new stuff). I most closely identify with these guys and they are often critical of the left's hypocrisy on some issues even though they are in agreement on most things (the misguided PC of some ultra-left kids included).

I was very, very anti-Trump (though I was no fan of Hillary either). But the way he is attacked by the left makes me wonder. I almost think their biggest fear is he'll be successful.

He is attacked by the left for the right reasons. What's frustrating for a moderate like myself, and a lot on the left, is that the right isn't attacking him for undermining those principles they claim makes them conservatives to begin with. The "anti-government" and "pro-civil liberties" schtick that the right usually proclaims as its own has no clothes. Turns out he's just a dangerous authoritarian nationalist. I can respect some big C conservatives or big L libertarians such as Buckley Jr, Friedman, or even Stossel or Kristol (Kristol had a pretty awesome tweet the other day btw, telling Pence if he wanted to avoid company with those that disrespect American troops he should start with the oval office). I don't always agree with these people, but I don't suspect they seek to oppress me. But they are also, in some ways, responsible for the hijacked modern conservatives who are nothing but populist fascists. These are people that can't be debated with and are likely lost in the welter of bruised pride (to kinda steal a phrase from Arundhati Roy). The faces of modern conservatism are often liars, hypocrites, or idiots and this is exemplified by the new commander in chief. There's just nothing redeeming on that side of the aisle anymore.

 

[ivwshane]

Thank you for actually replying vs. just plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and screaming about the evil right. And I agree, I think both sides do that, create a vision (or caricature as you say) and attack that while most people likely fall somewhere more in the middle.

This video resonated with me, it is the biggest issue I have with the left. I think they can and do often go too far left just for the sake of going left. It seems to me like they go beyond common sense at times, I see it on this board that is left leaning. Either I agree 100% with the leftist vision or I'm insulted.

I was very, very anti-Trump (though I was no fan of Hillary either). But the way he is atattacked by the left makes me wonder. I almost think their biggest fear is he'll be successful.

He resonated with you because he reinforced your views. You are insulted because you have been the reason why people haven't been able to have a decent debate on a particular subject because you insist on inserting whataboutism into the conversation.

Have you heard this one before:
If you run into an asshole in the morning you met one asshole but if you run into nothing but assholes your whole day, you are the asshole.


I thought your comment about the left not wanting trunk to be successful was hilarious by the way. Tell me again which party was willing to reach across party lines to fix issues and which one complained about the other party trying to work with the president and who has gone on record and stated they do not want to work with Democrats.

 

[fskimospy]

I saw this video and it made sense to me. Apparently is makes sense with more than just me. But this board is very left of center, and I see that members would rather double down on their pre-election method of telling each other what they'd like to hear more than reality. Hillary in a landslide and all that.

Let's put this in a slightly different light: the Democrats have won the popular vote in every election but one since 1988. Does that sound like a party that's turning off voters by being too PC to you or does that sound like a party that has problems with how elections are structured?

I mean isn't it a bit weird to wonder about the appeal of a party that a large plurality of Americans identify with, which generally wins the most votes?

 

[Indus]

Let's put this in a slightly different light: the Democrats have won the popular vote in every election but one since 1988. Does that sound like a party that's turning off voters by being too PC to you or does that sound like a party that has problems with how elections are structured?

I mean isn't it a bit weird to wonder about the appeal of a party that a large plurality of Americans identify with, which generally wins the most votes?

Ding ding ding.