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October is apple month, and when the best apples come to MD; the glorious winesap. Far under appreciated due to the blemished skin, but the best tasting apple by a good bit.


Distant second to honeycrisp. I don't eat apples except when honeycrisps are in season because its like eating nature's candy.
 

destrekor

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Distant second to honeycrisp. I don't eat apples except when honeycrisps are in season because its like eating nature's candy.

honeycrisps are sooooo damn delicious.
But NOT cheap. Bastards are quite pricey compared to other apples.
But it does help they are fairly large compared to some apples, at least the ones I got one time.

Need to make a note to pick some up as soon as the season hits.
 

kinev

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I live in Boston and recently the price of organic Apples here shot up about .70/lbs...this happen for anyone else? Usually they're not that much more expensive than regular apples, but at that price now I can't afford to buy them...

Maybe you forgot to sign your consent to purchase form.

No, silly. That's just for vinegar!
 

Cdubneeddeal

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Just buy the regular apples then. Studies show organic foods are no better nutritionally, and in blind taste tests people can't tell the difference. Claims that they're safer have also been disproven. Stop wasting your money. The only organic food I eat is the stuff we grow ourselves.

Links?

Before you pass judgement I would find out who sponsors the studies you read, it may surprise you.
 

DrPizza

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/01/dirty.dozen.produce.pesticide/index.html

Enjoy the 47-67 pesticides per apple if you're eating non-organic. Dr. Gupta > you

I'm somewhat perplexed, because I didn't know that farmers would spray a concoction of 67 different pesticides onto their fields or orchards. Furthermore, many (most?) plants produce their own pesticides to give them some protection from insects. Are these chemicals present and being assumed to be applied? And lastly, if the USDA has 100,000 reports that they were able to scan through on non-organic produce, then surely, they must have some reports on organic. Where's the comparison??

Also, that article lists 15 that are low in pesticides. "Because they have a skin that keeps pesticides out." Yet states: " 'We've found that washing doesn't do much,' Rosenthal said. 'Peeling can help, although you have to take into account that the pesticides are in the water, so they can be inside the fruit because of the soil.' "
Wait a second... this "scientific study" claims that it's because of the skin, now it's because it's absorbed from the ground? wtf? Of course, cdub above points out that it's important to know who funds these studies. That goes both ways, cdub.
 
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SP33Demon

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I'm somewhat perplexed, because I didn't know that farmers would spray a concoction of 67 different pesticides onto their fields or orchards. Furthermore, many (most?) plants produce their own pesticides to give them some protection from insects. Are these chemicals present and being assumed to be applied? And lastly, if the USDA has 100,000 reports that they were able to scan through on non-organic produce, then surely, they must have some reports on organic. Where's the comparison??

Also, that article lists 15 that are low in pesticides. "Because they have a skin that keeps pesticides out." Yet states: " 'We've found that washing doesn't do much,' Rosenthal said. 'Peeling can help, although you have to take into account that the pesticides are in the water, so they can be inside the fruit because of the soil.' "
Wait a second... this "scientific study" claims that it's because of the skin, now it's because it's absorbed from the ground? wtf? Of course, cdub above points out that it's important to know who funds these studies. That goes both ways, cdub.

Ever heard of runoff and traces? Just because 67 are present doesn't mean that 67 pesticides were actually sprayed on the product.

It's pretty obvious that the skin prohibits a large % of pesticides from entering the fruit, there is nothing that's going to be 100% free. Even eating organic you're going to be exposed to 1-2 on average. But it's a helluva lot better than 47-67, even if the trace amounts are minuscule. Peace of mind.
 

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I live in Boston and recently the price of organic Apples here shot up about .70/lbs...this happen for anyone else? Usually they're not that much more expensive than regular apples, but at that price now I can't afford to buy them...

"Can't afford"... Really? As in you are unable to buy them at the higher rate? If so, you have much bigger problems than organic apple prices.
 

DrPizza

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Where are you getting this "1-2 on average" figure from? If you're attributing it to runoff and traces, how do you explain the huge variation in amounts from one type of crop to another? (Ever heard of crop rotation?) So, we have all these chemicals, that logically would get into the soil. Yet, onions are very low in these chemicals.

And, again, why didn't that group who studied non-organic produce do a comparison to organic? When you only tell one side of the story, there's usually a pretty big reason. Peaches and nectarines - both contain cyanide in the pit! OMG! Let's just count that as one of the 67 and completely neglect to tell the people who read the article that it's naturally occurring in ALL peach and nectarine pits, whether organic or non-organic.
 

SP33Demon

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Where are you getting this "1-2 on average" figure from? If you're attributing it to runoff and traces, how do you explain the huge variation in amounts from one type of crop to another? (Ever heard of crop rotation?) So, we have all these chemicals, that logically would get into the soil. Yet, onions are very low in these chemicals.

And, again, why didn't that group who studied non-organic produce do a comparison to organic? When you only tell one side of the story, there's usually a pretty big reason. Peaches and nectarines - both contain cyanide in the pit! OMG! Let's just count that as one of the 67 and completely neglect to tell the people who read the article that it's naturally occurring in ALL peach and nectarine pits, whether organic or non-organic.

1-2 residues? Sure, the % data speaks for itself:

http://www.consumersunion.org/food/organicsumm.htm

Multiple Residues: Conventionally grown foods often contain residues of more than one pesticide. A conventionally grown apple tested by USDA in 1996 was more likely to contain four or more residues than to contain three or less, and some individual samples have been found with as many as 14 different residues. We examined the frequency of multiple residues and again found highly statistically significant differences between the market categories. Conventionally grown samples had multiple residues in 46, 12 and 62 percent of USDA, DPR and CU samples, respectively. Organic samples had multiple residues in only 7, 1.3 and 6 percent of the samples in those three data sets.
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Our analysis shows convincingly that organically grown foods have fewer and generally lower pesticide residues than conventionally grown foods. This pattern was consistent across all three independent data sets. Organic foods typically contain pesticide residues only one-third as often as conventionally grown foods do. Foods marketed with an IPM or NDR claim fall in between organic and conventional foods in both the frequency of residues and residue levels. Organic samples are also far less likely to contain multiple residues than conventional or IPM/NDR foods are.

Baker et al. May, 2002. Pesticide residues in conventional, IPM-grown and organic foods: Insights from three U.S. data sets. Summary: Analysis and Results: Frequency of Positive Samples. Food Additives and Contaminants: volume 19, No. 5, pages 427–446.

/yawn @ talk of cyanide in pits of peaches and nectarines. Try and keep up with the discussion... Oh wait, you want to inject your trolling because you think you're smarter than the scientists in the past 2 links I've provided (CNN article and this study). Just accept the facts, science says you will ingest more pesticides in normal vice organic food. Only a baboon would dispute that fact.
 

DrPizza

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Wait a second, I didn't say that organic would have more, I simply stated that the 47-67 pesticide nonsense was a gross exaggeration for the purpose of persuading people to buy organic. Now you come back and post another link which confirms my hypothesis? And says "up to 14" which makes your original source nothing but exaggerated bullshit. WTG! If you're going to include all the natural pesticides where are produced by the plant itself, then you need to include those for organic as well. i.e. both figures are inflated by the same amount. So, if there are 47 pesticides in that apple, and 14 of them are from residues, that leaves 33 to be naturally produced. Thus, your organic has 34 or 35 pesticides in them.

In fact,
In some cases, organically grown produce may contain more natural toxins than produce grown using conventional pest management. For example, apple juice from organically raised apples contains more patulin, a probable carcinogen, than conventionally raised apples.(Jukes TH. Organic apple juice no antidote for alar. J Am Dietetic Assoc 1990;90(3):371.)
Hmmmm... http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/natpest.htm

let me repeat: your original study included natural toxins in order to inflate the number. Your new study leaves these out. But, when you're willing to actually take a closer look at reality, you find stuff like the above.

Plus, since you're comparing the "1 to 2" of organic with "47-67" for non-organic demonstrates that you are completely ignorant of what those numbers actually mean.
 
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SP33Demon

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Wait a second, I didn't say that organic would have more, I simply stated that the 47-67 pesticide nonsense was a gross exaggeration for the purpose of persuading people to buy organic. Now you come back and post another link which confirms my hypothesis? And says "up to 14" which makes your original source nothing but exaggerated bullshit. WTG!

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point. If you read the CNN article, it (47-67 traces in non-organic food) is in reference to the Dirty Dozen foods. It has nothing to do with "gross exaggeration" unless you're an anti-organic homer. Once again, your ego says you know more than scientists/doctors. Keep reading if you think your ego can handle it.

The 47-67 traces are derived from sources such as the annual USDA's Pesticide Data Program:
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELPRDC5074338

I challenge you to count how many chemicals were found in blueberries and celery that year. It's in Appendix B. I don't have enough time to count them all. Hardly a "gross exaggeration" in any event.
 

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My reading comprehension is just fine.
Enjoy the 47-67 pesticides per apple if you're eating non-organic.
That's what YOU said, based on the CNN article for which apples are one of the "dirty dozen."

You later went on to post an article which stated that apples had no more than 14 in all their samples.

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges with your numbers. (I made a funny.) If you want to use your 1 to 2 number for organic apples, then you can't use the 47-67 number to compare it to.

You don't need to resort to personal attacks about "ego", etc., or try to switch the focus now to two other types of produce (celery or blueberries.)

Can you attempt to keep the argument on the same topic, please? I posted the *only* link to information that directly compares organic apples to non-organic apples. The source of that fact is a peer reviewed journal - not CNN. Your only comparison thus far has been a number from one type of study to a number of a completely different type of study.


p.s. since I teach science, and teach inquiry methods, not to mention a shitload of credit hours in science and engineering, I don't think I'm disqualified as being called a scientist. I'll happily admit that organic will more than likely have fewer traces of residual pesticides - I don't know who would dispute that. However, opinions that this makes them safer than non-organic are anything BUT scientific.

edit: in case you're blind (in reference to my reading comprehension), apples are the FOURTH thing on CNN's dirty dozen list.)
 
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Jzero

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Apples are not in season in the US. Which means they are probably being shipped from somewhere in the southern hemisphere. Which kinda defeats a lot of the potential environmental benefits of buying organic...

Not buying apples right now is the best decision.

Go to the farmers market and see what you can get. You won't find any apples.
 

Jzero

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However, opinions that this makes them safer than non-organic are anything BUT scientific.

"Safer" however needs a clarification. No safer for the consumer is one thing. Safer for the grower/farm worker would be exposed in much greater concentration....that's a different story.
 

darkxshade

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So what's the big fuss about Honeycrisps? I mean they taste great... probably the best I've had compared to other apples but having had it for the first time last year, my expectations were let down to say the least. Maybe it was over-hyped? Or maybe I just don't have a sophisticated palette for apples like everyone does?
 

SP33Demon

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I'll happily admit that organic will more than likely have fewer traces of residual pesticides - I don't know who would dispute that. However, opinions that this makes them safer than non-organic are anything BUT scientific.

By your statement above, you have finally agreed with my point. Congrats.

Don't hurt yourself over-analyzing data. I said nothing about apples nor natural pesticides. The study I linked = an example from 2002 of where I got the notion that organics contain 1-2 pesticides on average. Furthermore, CNN stating that most of the Dirty Dozen contain 47-67 residues is a fact proven the annual Pesticide Data Program, e.g. blueberries testing positive for a large percentage of chemicals.

I'm glad that you finally understand why people choose organic over non-organic; I agree that safety is still not proven because we don't know enough about how dosages affect the human body. Better safe than sorry, 47 times more in fact.
 
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