Did we fail the people of Iraq

[dahunan]

Did we fail the people of Iraq

 

[TNM93]

It's hard to judge the intentions of the war, so I don't know. If the original intention was to remove Saddam Hussein, then that was accomplished a long time ago. In that sense, the people of Iraq have benefited.

The intentions then seemed to change from combatting "terrorism" into making Iraq democratic and a model for the Arab world. In that sense, the outcome is debatable and controversial. However, I have doubts about that intention since there are many countries that could use democratic reform but you don't see us going to war with every one of them make it happen. I've also never heard of going to war to enact democracy in a foreign country that has never experienced democracy.

Perhaps the intentions were both to remove Saddam and make Iraq democratic. Perhaps they were something entirely different. In the end, the people of Iraq will probably benefit as a side effect to the true intentions. However, they won't benefit to the degree that the administration claimed from the outset.

 

[maddogchen]

As of now
Did we fail the people of Iraq? Yes
Did the people of Iraq fail themselves? Yes

But I think this is a question best left to be asked after the US leaves.

 

[MicroChrome]

Oil.

 

[13Gigatons]

Forget Oil that is a stupid idea this war was for no bid contracts to the tune of billions. Many close to this administration got paid handsomely during the Iraq war.

Money, power and ego are the usual driving forces for war.

 

[tommywishbone]

Did John Smith and his friends fail the Native Americans? :roll:

 

[Genx87]

Hard to say if we failed them and we wont know until we leave.
Some said we failed Europe in the winter of 46. I dont think looking back on it we failed Western Europe. Eastern Europe can be debated however.

If in a decade Iraq is in in a civil war after we cut down on our troops strength. I think it will be safer to declare a failure.

 

[Passions]

How did we fail the people of Iraq?

Iraqis enjoy more freedom now than ever. Women have gain more rights and the people have a voice.

Lots of violence is still occuring but no democracy ever started off with a clean slate. 10 years from now a democratic Iraq benevolent to the US will exist. Trust me.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Passions
How did we fail the people of Iraq?

Iraqis enjoy more freedom now than ever. Women have gain more rights and the people have a voice.

Lots of violence is still occuring but no democracy ever started off with a clean slate. 10 years from now a democratic Iraq benevolent to the US will exist. Trust me.

You call suicide bombers attacking EVERY FVCKING DAY FREEDOM

Go sign up please..

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Passions
How did we fail the people of Iraq?

Iraqis enjoy more freedom now than ever. Women have gain more rights and the people have a voice.

Lots of violence is still occuring but no democracy ever started off with a clean slate. 10 years from now a democratic Iraq benevolent to the US will exist. Trust me.

You call suicide bombers attacking EVERY FVCKING DAY FREEDOM

Go sign up please..

Do you call drive by shootings, rapes, child abductions, murder, and robbery FREEDOM?

Do you want an honest discussion or one that falls into name calling and stupid logic? It sure seems like you had a decent thread going until you crapped with your "Go Sign Up" please comment. Basically it looks like you are trolling for dollars.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Passions
How did we fail the people of Iraq?

Iraqis enjoy more freedom now than ever. Women have gain more rights and the people have a voice.

Lots of violence is still occuring but no democracy ever started off with a clean slate. 10 years from now a democratic Iraq benevolent to the US will exist. Trust me.

You call suicide bombers attacking EVERY FVCKING DAY FREEDOM

Go sign up please..

Do you call drive by shootings, rapes, child abductions, murder, and robbery FREEDOM?

Yes, I know what our soldiers did to them.. you don't have to repeat it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Passions
How did we fail the people of Iraq?

Iraqis enjoy more freedom now than ever. Women have gain more rights and the people have a voice.

Lots of violence is still occuring but no democracy ever started off with a clean slate. 10 years from now a democratic Iraq benevolent to the US will exist. Trust me.

You call suicide bombers attacking EVERY FVCKING DAY FREEDOM

Go sign up please..

Do you call drive by shootings, rapes, child abductions, murder, and robbery FREEDOM?

You're not helping your case at all by posting the other problems now in Iraq.

 

[Genx87]

Yes, I know what our soldiers did to them.. you don't have to repeat it.

Yes you do consider that FREEDOM?

Because that is what happens everyday in our own country. Using car bombings as proof of the lack of freedom is silly. It is violence, unneeded violence, and has little to do with determining what the freedoms are like.

It is a safety issue and a problem right now they need to deal with.

btw lame shot at our soldiers. :roll:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Passions
How did we fail the people of Iraq?

Iraqis enjoy more freedom now than ever. Women have gain more rights and the people have a voice.

Lots of violence is still occuring but no democracy ever started off with a clean slate. 10 years from now a democratic Iraq benevolent to the US will exist. Trust me.

You call suicide bombers attacking EVERY FVCKING DAY FREEDOM

Go sign up please..

Do you call drive by shootings, rapes, child abductions, murder, and robbery FREEDOM?

You're not helping your case at all by posting the other problems now in Iraq.

See below, this is right at home.

 

[conjur]

I agree. That's why I pointed out that you weren't helping yourself. You do realize everything you posted has increased in Iraq SINCE the invasion, right?

 

[Kadarin]

I think that when insurgents are executing elementary school teachers, they're pretty much failing themselves.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: conjur
I agree. That's why I pointed out that you weren't helping yourself. You do realize everything you posted has increased in Iraq SINCE the invasion, right?

Think you are missing my point completely.

My point to him is "If you think violence means there isnt freedom, then we dont live in a very free society right at home in the United States".

We are not discussing the rate of violence within Iraq.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Yes, I know what our soldiers did to them.. you don't have to repeat it.

Yes you do consider that FREEDOM?

Because that is what happens everyday in our own country. Using car bombings as proof of the lack of freedom is silly. It is violence, unneeded violence, and has little to do with determining what the freedoms are like.

It is a safety issue and a problem right now they need to deal with.

btw lame shot at our soldiers. :roll:

I was never in agreement with this war... I do not see the dead Iraq citizens as "Collateral Damage" I see it as something much worse.

We let their national museum be robbed or some of the greatest treasures of mankind
We let their Centers For Disease Control be robbed of some of the most deadly viruii and bacteria
We anal raped their citizens in abu-ghraib and then set them free because they weren't guilty of anything

Now because we destroyed ANY civil defense and police system they had there are armed gunman telling people if they are not from certain religious groups that they need to leave their home or they will be killed... -- Christians were safer under Saddam.. now they are murdered

Whackos blowing up car bombs and suicide bombers EVERYDAY 60 people killed yesterday -- Men women and children...

"Flowers at our feet"

 

[Red Dawn]

Fsck the people of Iraq, they failed themselves by letting a tyrant like Hussien rule over them for so long. I wouldn't sacrifice one American Life for them!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Genx87

Yes, I know what our soldiers did to them.. you don't have to repeat it.

Yes you do consider that FREEDOM?

Because that is what happens everyday in our own country. Using car bombings as proof of the lack of freedom is silly. It is violence, unneeded violence, and has little to do with determining what the freedoms are like.

It is a safety issue and a problem right now they need to deal with.

btw lame shot at our soldiers. :roll:

I was never in agreement with this war... I do not see the dead Iraq citizens as "Collateral Damage" I see it as something much worse.

We let their national museum be robbed or some of the greatest treasures of mankind
We let their Centers For Disease Control be robbed of some of the most deadly viruii and bacteria
We anal raped their citizens in abu-ghraib and then set them free because they weren't guilty of anything

Now because we destroyed ANY civil defense and police system they had there are armed gunman telling people if they are not from certain religious groups that they need to leave their home or they will be killed... -- Christians were safer under Saddam.. now they are murdered

Whackos blowing up car bombs and suicide bombers EVERYDAY 60 people killed yesterday -- Men women and children...

"Flowers at our feet"

Thank you for not answering question and instead throw out talking points.
Just admit you had no intention of actually having an honest discussion on whether or not we failed the people of Iraq.

 

[eilute]

I realize that we dropped bombs on them, but we did not exactly have an obligation to them in the first place. We might, however, have had an obligation to the Shiite uprising that we had encouraged after the first gulf war.

I highly doubt that many people in the Middle East, or Europe for that matter, ever seriously expected a western style democracy to take hold in Iraq.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
I agree. That's why I pointed out that you weren't helping yourself. You do realize everything you posted has increased in Iraq SINCE the invasion, right?

Think you are missing my point completely.

My point to him is "If you think violence means there isnt freedom, then we dont live in a very free society right at home in the United States".

We are not discussing the rate of violence within Iraq.

We are responsible for the lawlessness.. are we not?

Put yourself in their shoes... Iraq never attacked us yet we have bombed their country to dust.. and at least[/] 10-15 thousands of their citizens are murdered by our bombs... and they we start torturing innocent civilians ...


If you were an Iraq... .How easily would you submit to the will of the Americans after all you have seen

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fsck the people of Iraq, they failed themselves by letting a tyrant like Hussien rule over them for so long. I wouldn't sacrifice one American Life for them!

But we did and now things are worse than they ever were.. that is all I am saying... We got rid of Saddam and now sh1t is worse.

 

[NoSmirk]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fsck the people of Iraq, they failed themselves by letting a tyrant like Hussien rule over them for so long. I wouldn't sacrifice one American Life for them!

You forgot to add 'Bush's Excellent Adventure' to your post, it doesn't seem right since you add it to 90% of your posts. You've failed the users of this forum Red.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: NoSmirk

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fsck the people of Iraq, they failed themselves by letting a tyrant like Hussien rule over them for so long. I wouldn't sacrifice one American Life for them!

You forgot to add 'Bush's Excellent Adventure' to your post, it doesn't seem right since you add it to 90% of your posts. You've failed the users of this forum Red.

Bush's Excellent Adventure in Iraq:laugh: