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Vette73

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Title of "story" linked in OP = "Walker’s Wisconsin: 2 Times Convicted DUI & No Degree Earns $81,500" The "story" did nothing but whine and the posted I quoted claimed "corruption" - neither has anything concrete to point to, to suggest this guy shouldn't have his job. Again, it looks and smells bad but the attacks being used are lame.


AGAIN, if you got past the title and read it...

"So now Wisconsin has Brian Deschane to lead the way overseeing environmental and regulatory matters and dozens of employees at the Department of Commerce. Oh, it doesn’t matter that he has no experience in environmental issues,"

That is the big deal. The other is just icing on the cake.

Same BS going on in DC mayors office right now. At least the people being called out are either quiting/fired in DC.
 

CADsortaGUY

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AGAIN, if you got past the title and read it...

"So now Wisconsin has Brian Deschane to lead the way overseeing environmental and regulatory matters and dozens of employees at the Department of Commerce. Oh, it doesn’t matter that he has no experience in environmental issues,"

That is the big deal. The other is just icing on the cake.

Same BS going on in DC mayors office right now. At least the people being called out are either quiting/fired in DC.

I did read it moron. It doesn't matter - the attack is the headline and the "corruption" the poster claimed. Yes, no shit he has no experience - hence the bad smell/look. But again, it doesn't mean he shouldn't have his job. If you would have read my post you'd see that I had ZERO experience in this field when I started working at my current company years ago. So just because someone has no experience doesn't mean they shouldn't have or get a different position.
 

Vette73

Lifer
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I did read it moron. It doesn't matter - the attack is the headline and the "corruption" the poster claimed. Yes, no shit he has no experience - hence the bad smell/look. But again, it doesn't mean he shouldn't have his job. If you would have read my post you'd see that I had ZERO experience in this field when I started working at my current company years ago. So just because someone has no experience doesn't mean they shouldn't have or get a different position.


So when you started you were hired as the head of the group you are in, were in charge of many employees, and got a 25%+ raise 2 months into it?

 

Exterous

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you'd see that I had ZERO experience in this field when I started working at my current company years ago. So just because someone has no experience doesn't mean they shouldn't have or get a different position.

How much was your starting salary? How many employees were you overseeing? What is your field?

These are things we need to know to see if your anecdotal evidence has any merit at all
 
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Police union leader cited for drunken driving
I bet he makes more than $81K.


blah blah, he has a degree... blah blah blah.... Then as a lawyer with a degree he should have known better than to drive impaired - no?
I fear your point is lost on them. We could do this kind of shit all day long for just about every politician.

This kind of 'hit job' tactic on Walker is commonly used by the left...identify the target, find some 'dirt' on the target without regard to how far you have to reach (even target's children are fair game in their twisted world), magnify the 'dirt', embellish with strong personal bias, feign 'moral' indignation, and then shake tiny fists in fits of self-righteous outrage.

It's really quite pathetic....I somehow expected more from the Party of Intellectualism.
 
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Vette73

Lifer
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I fear your point is lost on them. We could do this kind of shit all day long for just about every politician.

This kind of 'hit job' tactic on Walker is commonly used by the left...identify the target, find some 'dirt' on the target without regard to how far you have to reach (even target's children are fair game in their twisted world), magnify the 'dirt', embellish with strong personal bias, feign 'moral' indignation, and then shake tiny fists in self-righteous outrage.

It's really quite pathetic....I somehow expected more from the Party of Intellectualism.


And I guess you missed the part...

""So now Wisconsin has Brian Deschane to lead the way overseeing environmental and regulatory matters and dozens of employees at the Department of Commerce. Oh, it doesn’t matter that he has no experience in environmental issues,"

Doing a swell job brownie.
 
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And I guess you missed the part...

""So now Wisconsin has Brian Deschane to lead the way overseeing environmental and regulatory matters and dozens of employees at the Department of Commerce. Oh, it doesn’t matter that he has no experience in environmental issues,"

Doing a swell job brownie.
woosh
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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So the moment a person gets a DUI in this country they are no longer eligible for a job now? Really?

So his dad put in a good word for him. He had an interview and got hired. If he does a bad job then I hope he gets fired. But then again he may do a spectacular job. Who knows. I don't rate someone's job performance because they had a DUI. Do you know how many American US soldiers have DUI and or similar or lesser offenses? Yet they still are out there getting killed in a foreign country "for us" as we speak. Yah, that was a bit of hyperbole, but I used it to illustrate that people do stupid shit every so often that is unrelated to their job, but are still capable of doing their job and well.

But the kid got a $60K job a year. Woohoo! That's going to buy the farm.

You know what the say when it comes to looking for work. It's not what you know, it's who you know. It's all about networking and always has been.
 

Vette73

Lifer
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So the moment a person gets a DUI in this country they are no longer eligible for a job now? Really?

So his dad put in a good word for him. He had an interview and got hired. If he does a bad job then I hope he gets fired. But then again he may do a spectacular job. Who knows. I don't rate someone's job performance because they had a DUI. Do you know how many American US soldiers have DUI and or similar or lesser offenses? Yet they still are out there getting killed in a foreign country "for us" as we speak. Yah, that was a bit of hyperbole, but I used it to illustrate that people do stupid shit every so often that is unrelated to their job, but are still capable of doing their job and well.

But the kid got a $60K job a year. Woohoo! That's going to buy the farm.

You know what the say when it comes to looking for work. It's not what you know, it's who you know. It's all about networking and always has been.

No the DUI is what the right wingers think this is about. He got the job with NO experience and after his daddy gave 100k+ to the Gov election. Then got a 26% raise 2 months in so he makes over 80K a year with no experience or education in that that field, let alone he runs his group.

The DUI part is dumb, unless this was a hazard driving job. Jobs should be given for experience/education, not because of slimy politicians. See DC mayor’s office right now for the same type of BS going on.
 

sunzt

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So his dad put in a good word for him. He had an interview and got hired. If he does a bad job then I hope he gets fired. But then again he may do a spectacular job.

I wonder what his "qualifications" were... I mean this approach worked great for Bush's boy, Brownie during Katrina. He did a poor job and left, no harm done right?

... Probably would have been better if FEMA actually had someone who was qualified in charge before an event exposes how bad they really are.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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No the DUI is what the right wingers think this is about. He got the job with NO experience and after his daddy gave 100k+ to the Gov election. Then got a 26% raise 2 months in so he makes over 80K a year with no experience or education in that that field, let alone he runs his group.

The DUI part is dumb, unless this was a hazard driving job. Jobs should be given for experience/education, not because of slimy politicians. See DC mayor’s office right now for the same type of BS going on.

Uhh, the picture in the article shows a guy walking the line. The caption for the picture is based off getting a job while receiving a DUI. That whole article is terrible.

And people need to start somewhere. Since it is a public job, it is open to scrutiny. He's been on the job for 2 months. I don't know his performance record, but if he screws up let him be fired. Again, getting a job in this country doesn't always have anything to do with WHAT you know, but WHO you know. I know some damn fine people that had education in completely different fields of study that ended up getting a job in hard times through a connection. They ended up being damn good at the new job. As a matter of fact I know a chemist who was making pharma medications switch to being a computer programmer out of the blue because a job connection opened and their current job was a bit on the rocks due to FDA problem that was causing the company to lose money on a new product. So they got out while the getting was good and this person is a REALLY good software programmer with ZERO experience and education in the field.

I'm sorry, but anyone who cries over this is just being jealous. Boo fucking who.

Now, if he had gotten the job like this, then a year from now royally screwed up on something but instead of being fired he got a raise or promotion.... THEN I'd be right here with you guys going WTF? sorta like the oil company thread going on right now. Or banksters being bailed out. Or plenty of other bullshit. But you are really worried about a guy that is making $80K a year with a new job he used a connection to get. Really?
 

Mursilis

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So the moment a person gets a DUI in this country they are no longer eligible for a job now? Really?

So his dad put in a good word for him. He had an interview and got hired. If he does a bad job then I hope he gets fired. But then again he may do a spectacular job. Who knows. I don't rate someone's job performance because they had a DUI. Do you know how many American US soldiers have DUI and or similar or lesser offenses? Yet they still are out there getting killed in a foreign country "for us" as we speak. Yah, that was a bit of hyperbole, but I used it to illustrate that people do stupid shit every so often that is unrelated to their job, but are still capable of doing their job and well.

But the kid got a $60K job a year. Woohoo! That's going to buy the farm.

You know what the say when it comes to looking for work. It's not what you know, it's who you know. It's all about networking and always has been.

I don't consider the DUI issue to be relevant to the true scandal here. The question you should be asking is, was this guy the most qualified applicant? Was he even in the top 100? I wouldn't bet my life savings on that one.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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I don't consider the DUI issue to be relevant to the true scandal here. The question you should be asking is, was this guy the most qualified applicant? Was he even in the top 100? I wouldn't bet my life savings on that one.

And does it matter? Again, you fail to realize how the real world works and has always worked. It's not WHAT you know it is WHO you know. Damn, I still thought they taught that lesson in high school at least.

Yes, being qualified helps. It helps a bunch, but it won't always get your foot in the door to a new job. Networking, connections, and banging on doors DOES. So this guy used a connection to get a job. Again, boo fucking who. It doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to anyone else. The only people it should matter to are his direct supervisor and who ever is in the chain of command in charge of the supervisor above. They are the one who are to evaluate his performance and make sure he does the job. Not you and not me.
 

Vette73

Lifer
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And does it matter? Again, you fail to realize how the real world works and has always worked. It's not WHAT you know it is WHO you know. Damn, I still thought they taught that lesson in high school at least.

Yes, being qualified helps. It helps a bunch, but it won't always get your foot in the door to a new job. Networking, connections, and banging on doors DOES. So this guy used a connection to get a job. Again, boo fucking who. It doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to anyone else. The only people it should matter to are his direct supervisor and who ever is in the chain of command in charge of the supervisor above. They are the one who are to evaluate his performance and make sure he does the job. Not you and not me.

No he did not use a connection.
His daddy gave 100k+ and then the guy got a job he has no exp/edu doing. This is not knowing someone, its slimy poltics at best.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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No he did not use a connection.
His daddy gave 100k+ and then the guy got a job he has no exp/edu doing. This is not knowing someone, its slimy poltics at best.

Lol, that is the definition of a connection.

His connection was his Dad. His Dad KNEW someone to talk to about a job. Just because you donate money doesn't mean you will automatically know people and vice versa. Think about it for a second.
 

sunzt

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And does it matter? Again, you fail to realize how the real world works and has always worked. It's not WHAT you know it is WHO you know. Damn, I still thought they taught that lesson in high school at least.

Yes, being qualified helps. It helps a bunch, but it won't always get your foot in the door to a new job. Networking, connections, and banging on doors DOES. So this guy used a connection to get a job. Again, boo fucking who. It doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to anyone else. The only people it should matter to are his direct supervisor and who ever is in the chain of command in charge of the supervisor above. They are the one who are to evaluate his performance and make sure he does the job. Not you and not me.

Meh, networking is over rated. I apply online and get engineering jobs pretty easily... good resume, qualifications, and interview skills are key.

Any decent company worth working for will pick a qualified person over someone who isn't and just knows someone. If not, then that's one sh*tty company to work at.
 

Thump553

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I lived in WI for 15 years, though both Dem and GOP governors and one major recession. None of the governors then pulled this kind of HS. In fact the biggest scandal when I was there was state legislators using state provided long distance calling cards for personal calls (ie, calling your wife on the company phone).

This is a pretty big deal in a state which had a well-deserved reputation at least a century long of having a squeaky clean government.

Most governors (of both parties) appoint a few well paid hacks, but they are shunted to empty jobs of no real significance. Underground tanks and ground water pollution are not such an area, but is an area where a lax, corrupt official can save builders a fortune in the short term and cost the state and public much more in the long term.

Ground water pollution is enormously expensive to clean up. The law makes the property owner responsible but frequently the clean up costs exceed the value of the property/owner's resources and the state or fed have to step in and pay the cleanup bill-ie, YOU AND I FOOT THE BILL. That is why it is critical to OUR interests that jobs like this be filled by someone who knows WTF he/she is doing.

This isn't a GOP or DEM thing, per se, it's more of a cynical exploitation of government for personal, political purposes. One thing is for sure-crap like this is definately not done by someone making the public's interest paramount.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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Meh, networking is over rated. I apply online and get engineering jobs pretty easily... good resume, qualifications, and interview skills are key.

Any decent company worth working for will pick a qualified person over someone who isn't and just knows someone. If not, then that's one sh*tty company to work at.

Different jobs have different hiring methods. I do what you do normally for jobs I've had. A couple have been through connections though. Technical jobs are a bit different in that metrics for hiring are easier to define. Other jobs, not so much.

Networking is to get you to the door and sometimes an edge over candidates of similar qualifications.
 

kage69

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Ahhh, yet more GOP cronyism and back room sales. Amazing that it's still business as usual after the stellar job that Horse Association President Brown did for FEMA.

Banana Republicans, I'd laugh at them if what they did wasn't so bad for America.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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No the DUI is what the right wingers think this is about. He got the job with NO experience and after his daddy gave 100k+ to the Gov election. Then got a 26% raise 2 months in so he makes over 80K a year with no experience or education in that that field, let alone he runs his group.

The DUI part is dumb, unless this was a hazard driving job. Jobs should be given for experience/education, not because of slimy politicians. See DC mayor’s office right now for the same type of BS going on.

The problem with your claims is that the attack is a personal one - not on the supposed "experience" level. IF the main/only attack was about experience then the "story" sure didn't level it that way nor did any of the other "stories" floating around the lefty-sphere. Also, if you look at gov't and many of the positions they hire you'd find plenty of inexperienced people put in positions like this. Is it right? nope, but that's the problem with gov't - they don't hire that way it seems which is why some of us want LESS gov't and bureaucracy.

Again, it smells bad and looks bad but that's only because the scope of view is limited because it's meant to be an attack on Walker. IF the left actually wants to "go there" - I have no problem going through the gov't to shine a light on all these sorts of things but it needs to be for the purpose of better gov't - not just as an attack on someone you hate.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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I lived in WI for 15 years, though both Dem and GOP governors and one major recession. None of the governors then pulled this kind of HS. In fact the biggest scandal when I was there was state legislators using state provided long distance calling cards for personal calls (ie, calling your wife on the company phone).

This is a pretty big deal in a state which had a well-deserved reputation at least a century long of having a squeaky clean government.

Most governors (of both parties) appoint a few well paid hacks, but they are shunted to empty jobs of no real significance. Underground tanks and ground water pollution are not such an area, but is an area where a lax, corrupt official can save builders a fortune in the short term and cost the state and public much more in the long term.

Ground water pollution is enormously expensive to clean up. The law makes the property owner responsible but frequently the clean up costs exceed the value of the property/owner's resources and the state or fed have to step in and pay the cleanup bill-ie, YOU AND I FOOT THE BILL. That is why it is critical to OUR interests that jobs like this be filled by someone who knows WTF he/she is doing.

This isn't a GOP or DEM thing, per se, it's more of a cynical exploitation of government for personal, political purposes. One thing is for sure-crap like this is definately not done by someone making the public's interest paramount.

what? Wisconsin has a "squeaky clean government"? What are you smoking? And no the calling card thing wasn't the biggest nor only scandal. Sexting, Gambling/casinos, Travel-gate, etc.
Edit - forgot Jim Doyle's little legal counsel issue. One resigned since they weren't licensed in Wisconsin - the new one was a donor but licensed.
 
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Patranus

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What the fuck does that article say?
I had to stop reading it after the 1st paragraph because it was written by a 12 year old.
 
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