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Vette73

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The problem with your claims is that the attack is a personal one - not on the supposed "experience" level. IF the main/only attack was about experience then the "story" sure didn't level it that way nor did any of the other "stories" floating around the lefty-sphere. Also, if you look at gov't and many of the positions they hire you'd find plenty of inexperienced people put in positions like this. Is it right? nope, but that's the problem with gov't - they don't hire that way it seems which is why some of us want LESS gov't and bureaucracy.

Again, it smells bad and looks bad but that's only because the scope of view is limited because it's meant to be an attack on Walker. IF the left actually wants to "go there" - I have no problem going through the gov't to shine a light on all these sorts of things but it needs to be for the purpose of better gov't - not just as an attack on someone you hate.


Fix that in this was not a GOV job issue; this was a political job.

Gov jobs, at least at the Fed level, you HAVE to have exp/education for that job. If not then you do not get it.

This is a poltical job that someone GAVE him that he has no edu/exp in. This is not a Gov problem, but a poltical one.
 

ShawnD1

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Any decent company worth working for will pick a qualified person over someone who isn't and just knows someone. If not, then that's one sh*tty company to work at.
You said it brah. When I worked construction, the guy running my group of about 6 people was maybe 20 years old. He was supervisor because of a connection, and he didn't have a clue what he was doing. Very frustrating.


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it was a private company, if that matters
 

CADsortaGUY

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Fix that in this was not a GOV job issue; this was a political job.

Gov jobs, at least at the Fed level, you HAVE to have exp/education for that job. If not then you do not get it.

This is a poltical job that someone GAVE him that he has no edu/exp in. This is not a Gov problem, but a poltical one.

It doesn't matter if you want to say this is a political job or not - it doesn't change what I stated. If you had less gov't and/or bureaucracy things like this would happen less. So are you looking to solve the issue or just score points?
 

zsdersw

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I'd say a 26% raise in 2 months is entirely inappropriate... no matter how well he did. No one in government should be getting raises.. let alone 26% ones.. in a budget crisis.
 

Vette73

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It doesn't matter if you want to say this is a political job or not - it doesn't change what I stated. If you had less gov't and/or bureaucracy things like this would happen less. So are you looking to solve the issue or just score points?


So this is the fault of gov/bureaucracy now?

Please tell me how less Gov/bureaucracy would fix this?
 

senseamp

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It doesn't matter if you want to say this is a political job or not - it doesn't change what I stated. If you had less gov't and/or bureaucracy things like this would happen less. So are you looking to solve the issue or just score points?

That's like cutting off your nose to get rid of a pimple.
BTW, this is exactly why GOP shouldn't be allowed to govern. They'll screw up governing just to say, see, government is bad.
 

werepossum

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What the fuck does that article say?
I had to stop reading it after the 1st paragraph because it was written by a 12 year old.
LOL I read the whole thing and it never got any better. In fact, it got worse. Too bad, because the petulant ass hat actually had a good story about a totally unqualified person getting a government job.
 

HumblePie

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I'd say a 26% raise in 2 months is entirely inappropriate... no matter how well he did. No one in government should be getting raises.. let alone 26% ones.. in a budget crisis.

It may not have a raise. It was probably a probationary rate period and it went up to the amount he was hired for originally.
 

zsdersw

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It may not have a raise. It was probably a probationary rate period and it went up to the amount he was hired for originally.

Doesn't look like that. His raise was a result of nothing more than being drafted to help with the Dept of Commerce's "transition issues" of going from being a public entity to a public-private one.
 

CADsortaGUY

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So this is the fault of gov/bureaucracy now?

Please tell me how less Gov/bureaucracy would fix this?

Are you really that simple minded?

The point is - if you are going to point this particular case out because of a VALID position then apply it across the board. If you are just looking to score points.... yay! go you!

So, IF you have an actually beef against the hiring people who lack "experience" then you should do it across the board in gov't. If the gov't was leaner and wasn't so all encompassing - cases like this would be easier to spot and deal with before they became an issue. It would basically bring more into the light if it were smaller. As it is now - there is so much - where do people even start to look?
 

JSt0rm

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its amazing the hoops people will jump through to maintain their view point.
 

comptr6

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The problem with your claims is that the attack is a personal one - not on the supposed "experience" level. IF the main/only attack was about experience then the "story" sure didn't level it that way nor did any of the other "stories" floating around the lefty-sphere.

This kind of 'hit job' tactic on Walker is commonly used by the left...identify the target, find some 'dirt' on the target without regard to how far you have to reach (even target's children are fair game in their twisted world), magnify the 'dirt', embellish with strong personal bias, feign 'moral' indignation, and then shake tiny fists in fits of self-righteous outrage.

It's really quite pathetic....I somehow expected more from the Party of Intellectualism.

Yeah, you'll never hear someone on the right bring up the past of a libtard, it just isn't done.

Who on the right claimed that Obama wasn't born in America and might be a muslim who "pals around with terrorists"? NOBODY.

Who on the right claimed that John Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam and called him "Hanoi John" in the House? NOBODY.

We on the right focus only on experience level and leave the petty personal attacks to the libtards.
 

comptr6

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The only problem you libtards have is that Walker is a Tea Party Patriot who is all about smaller government and cutting spending, so you've manufactured a reason to attack him. Why aren't you WHINING about any of the other people he hired?

Even though the state is supposedly broke, top officials in Gov. Scott Walker's team were able to scrape together enough money to give a state job to the woman identified as Sen. Randy Hopper's girlfriend.

Anything for a political ally.

Valerie Cass, a former Republican legislative staffer, was hired Feb. 7 as a communications specialist with the state Department of Regulation and Licensing. She is being paid $20.35 per hour. The job is considered a temporary post.

Cass previously had worked in the state Senate and for the GOP campaign consulting firm Persuasion Partners in Madison. She also was paid for campaign work for the state Republican Party and U.S. Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner before that.

"Ms. Cass' name was among many forwarded to DRL by the Governor's Transition Team as potential candidates for positions with the department," said David Carlson, the agency's spokesman.

But who exactly recommended her for the post?

Cullen Werwie, spokesman for the governor, confirmed that it was Keith Gilkes, Walker's chief of staff. She was then interviewed by the Department of Regulations and Licensing's executive assistant and deputy and hired by Secretary Dave Ross, a Walker cabinet member.

An internal staff directory lists Cass as working in the secretary's office as the assistant to the executive assistant.

Werwie said Gilkes did not recommend her as a favor to the first-term lawmaker, who voted for the governor's controversial budget-repair bill earlier this month.

"That's certainly not the case," Werwie said.

Cass did not return calls last week.

Hopper is expected to face a tough recall battle following his vote on the budget bill, which curbs collective bargaining for public employees. The Fond du Lac Republican won his seat by just 163 votes in 2008.

Since the recall effort was launched, news outlets and bloggers have focused in on Hopper's pending divorce. His estranged wife, Alysia, issued a statement to WTMJ-TV (Channel 4) accusing Hopper, 45, of beginning an affair with Cass, 26, last year. He filed for divorce in August.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118341669.html
 
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Yeah, you'll never hear someone on the right bring up the past of a libtard, it just isn't done.

Who on the right claimed that Obama wasn't born in America and might be a muslim who "pals around with terrorists"? NOBODY.

Who on the right claimed that John Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam and called him "Hanoi John" in the House? NOBODY.

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We on the right focus only on experience level and leave the petty personal attacks to the libtards.
I just pointed out a tactic that the Dems, in particular, use frequently and are very 'good' at. Bottom line, this 'tactic' is pure bullshit regardless of which party uses it...this is one thing I hope we can agree on.
 
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HumblePie

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Doesn't look like that. His raise was a result of nothing more than being drafted to help with the Dept of Commerce's "transition issues" of going from being a public entity to a public-private one.

and are you his HR department? Are you able to state that definitively? I don't think so. Many places do probationary periods of typically 60 to 90 days. He just happened to be part of a project and did some work and didn't get fired. Whoop dee doo. He passed his probationary period and got marked up to the position's full pay scale is what I can tell.
 

JimW1949

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I don't understand why so many people view a person who has two DUI convictions as something that is inconsequential. Granted, having two DUI convictions does not affect a person's ability to do this job, but it DOES show that he has complete disregard for the safety of others. Additionally, you have to wonder how many other times he was driving while intoxicated, but wasn't caught. I guess we will never really know the answer to that. It makes me wonder how he is going to handle situations involving the leaking, or possible leaking, of underground petroleum tanks. Is he going to completely disregard the safety of others like he did when he was drunk driving? We won't really know until it happens, but then it may be too late.

Anytime a person gets involved with politics, their whole life is like an open book. If you want to be in politics, and you have skeletons buried in your closet, don't be upset when someone digs them up. You have to know this may happen so don't act surprised when those skeletons hit the news media and make you look bad. That is the price you pay for being in the "lime light". If you don't want those skeletons exposed, then forget about any kind of political job.
 

zsdersw

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and are you his HR department? Are you able to state that definitively? I don't think so. Many places do probationary periods of typically 60 to 90 days. He just happened to be part of a project and did some work and didn't get fired. Whoop dee doo. He passed his probationary period and got marked up to the position's full pay scale is what I can tell.

According to this article: http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/119159584.html

A month later, Secretary David Ross, a Walker cabinet member, named Deschane the bureau director of board services, a job that paid $64,728 a year.

Not long after, lawmakers approved the governor's plan to convert the Department of Commerce to a public-private hybrid in charge of attracting and retaining businesses, with its regulatory and environmental functions being moved to other agencies.

Commerce Secretary Paul Jadin then appointed Deschane to his new post there to oversee the changes.

"It was felt that he would be helpful in working through the transition issues," said Commerce Department spokesman Tony Hozeny.

The move meant a pay raise of more than $16,500 a year for Deschane, even though he had put in only a couple of months with the state.

It would appear that no, this wasn't just a probationary period.

Aside from that, though, how likely is it that an employment agreement contains such an odd automatic raise at the successful conclusion of a probationary period? 26%? Why not a nice round number? No, what seems more likely is that his raise was a calculated by some sort of formula.. and therefore a government decision.. not something bargained with the government when crafting the terms of his employment.
 
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HumblePie

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According to this article: http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/119159584.html



It would appear that no, this wasn't just a probationary period.

Aside from that, though, how likely is it that an employment agreement contains such an odd automatic raise at the successful conclusion of a probationary period? 26%? Why not a nice round number? No, what seems more likely is that his raise was a calculated by some sort of formula.. and therefore a government decision.. not something bargained with the government when crafting the terms of his employment.

Then he got hired for one job and then was moved to another. I just had the same thing happen to me recently. One job just paid more than the other.

Basically I was working a contract for X amount for the past year. That contract was expiring and my company wanted to keep me. A position opened up on another contract which paid more than what I was working on previously. I am also talking a significant amount more as well. About $15K per year. The funny thing is, for my new job it was for a web development position and doing sharepoint. I have never worked with or seen sharepoint and have done only a limited amount of web development in the past. But I have been a programmer for 10+ years. They took a chance and moved me over. So far my boss says he couldn't have been happier and doubted anyone he brought in even with sharepoint + web development skills would be faster or better than me. I already got another raise because of it to the tune of another $5K effective at the end of this month.

So yah, stuff like this does happen.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Then he got hired for one job and then was moved to another. I just had the same thing happen to me recently. One job just paid more than the other.

Basically I was working a contract for X amount for the past year. That contract was expiring and my company wanted to keep me. A position opened up on another contract which paid more than what I was working on previously. I am also talking a significant amount more as well. About $15K per year. The funny thing is, for my new job it was for a web development position and doing sharepoint. I have never worked with or seen sharepoint and have done only a limited amount of web development in the past. But I have been a programmer for 10+ years. They took a chance and moved me over. So far my boss says he couldn't have been happier and doubted anyone he brought in even with sharepoint + web development skills would be faster or better than me. I already got another raise because of it to the tune of another $5K effective at the end of this month.

So yah, stuff like this does happen.

clearly someone is corrupt!
 

HumblePie

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clearly someone is corrupt!

For sure! and I have a speeding ticket and a disorderly conduct ticket in the past as well! That must mean I can't do a good job. Oh and I drink booze on occasion too. I've even had premarital sex! Oh the sins I've committed in this world. Oh the hypocrisy. I am working for a corrupt system! Let me out!
 

zsdersw

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Then he got hired for one job and then was moved to another. I just had the same thing happen to me recently. One job just paid more than the other.

Seems like his new job was not an established position, but one newly created; no history of the job paying X-dollars per year.
 

HumblePie

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Seems like his new job was not an established position, but one newly created; no history of the job paying X-dollars per year.

Neither was mine. They had to create a new position and he negotiated the salary just like I did. So what?
 

HumblePie

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Instead of complaining about the article, anybody ever consider googling?

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news...inistration-hire-of-brian-deschane-questioned

He clearly got the job because his father made big contributions to Walker's campaign. Being a college dropout with no experience in environmental regulation, he's obviously not qualified. It's a clear case of nepotism.

Uh no.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nepotism

Now if it was his father hiring his son for the position then THAT would be nepotism. Or if his father worked for the state or a related agency in any way. Which is also against the law and I would be all over that crap in a heart beat in denouncing that.

I've had my own father though who is a VP of a fairly big company send my resume and good word to a few of his friends who were in high management or VP positions of OTHER companies not related to his when I was looking for a job awhile back. Actually, when my contract was expiring I almost switched companies because of that. But instead used it as leverage to negotiate a high salary from my current company.
 
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