Diet & Exercise Won't Work On Obese People,...

Newell Steamer

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,... but, this pill injection will - says CEO of the company that will make said pill.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101929948#.

"Treating obesity with dietary prevention and exercise is like putting sunscreen on melanoma. It's too late," Hughes told CNBC. "People who have established obesity, they will need treatments, they will need care to get out of that, and unless we wake up to that fact and understand and research what is at the heart of that problem, we're not going to have an answer."

Oh,.. and it's not your fault,...

Zafgen's compound, beloranib, is in mid-stage trials in obesity and is also in testing for a rare disease called Prader-Willi Syndrome, a genetic disorder characterized by an uncontrollable drive to eat. It works in a different way from the other three medicines, which aim to reduce appetite; "it works to really impact the way that the body handles fat," Hughes said.

He added that one of the biggest hurdles facing obesity drugs is a bias against treating obesity as a disease, something he believes needs to change.

"In general over the years, people have regarded obesity as a problem of the patient," Hughes said, "that it's their responsibility for becoming obese and it's their responsibility to become lean again, as if that works."
 
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Oh rally? If prevention and exercise is like putting sunscreen on melanoma then this guys theory is like given a suicidal maniac the bullets to go along with the gun.
 

ultimatebob

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If you get fat enough, it actually becomes pretty difficult to exercise. You try strapping on a 150 pound fat suit and see if you can still run an 8 minute mile.
 

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If you get fat enough, it actually becomes pretty difficult to exercise. You try strapping on a 150 pound fat suit and see if you can still run an 8 minute mile.

That's crazy talk. I've seen Rhino's run pretty damn fast at me before.
 
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Ok on a more serious note, obviously if you weigh a lot it takes a lot less force/exercise/inertia/resistance or however the hell you want to call it to expense those stored up calories. The problem is these people keep eating more and more to replace them.
 
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As someone who lost 50lbs with EC stack (first 100lbs on my own, so 150 total), I can definitely vouch for pills. It's not the "fat burning" BS of the pills, it's the brain functions telling me "ITS TIME TO EAT, STUFF SHIT DOWN YOUR THROAT! THATS NOT ENOUGH KEEP GOING ANOTHER BAG OF CHIPS" that honestly throws me off.



If you get fat enough, it actually becomes pretty difficult to exercise. You try strapping on a 150 pound fat suit and see if you can still run an 8 minute mile.

As someone who lost a lot of weight I can tell you that is false.

If anything more weight makes the weight loss easier. As you lose more it becomes harder and harder to continue to lose. It's not about running a mile, it's about the weight loss/calories burn. What once took you the time of going up 10 flights of stairs to lose 2lbs, now takes you 50 flights of stairs. Do you have the time to do that on a regular basis? That's where it becomes a pain in the ass.
 
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As someone who lost 50lbs with EC stack (first 100lbs on my own, so 150 total), I can definitely vouch for pills. It's not the "fat burning" BS of the pills, it's the brain functions telling me "ITS TIME TO EAT, STUFF SHIT DOWN YOUR THROAT! THATS NOT ENOUGH KEEP GOING ANOTHER BAG OF CHIPS" that honestly throws me off.

BS you used the shake weight.
 

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The pills more likely work as a placebo convincing fat people that they now have the willpower to stop eating so god damn much.

If they just had willpower and forced themselves to stop overeating they could lose weight. It would eventually be enough weight for them to use their new found willpower to actually go exercise.
 

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Clearly the animal called humans likes to eat, but varies on how much we like it, and how resistant to exercise we are. Modern first world conditions are such that food is unlimited, AYCE, and nobody is forced to exercise to get food.

One other effect is that the more fat you have, the more you have to eat to gain more weight. At say 150 lbs if you eat an extra cheeseburger a week you might gain a pound a month. At say 250 lbs you might need to eat an extra cheeseburger a day for the same pound a month gain. What that means is that by the time you hit 250 lbs your diet vs exercise is WAY out of balance so cutting back a cheeseburger a week you might still gain weight until you reach the weight where diet meets increased fat resisting more gains.

Seems true for many fat people, regardless of the method of losing weight, as the weight is lost the craving for food increases.

One thing is clear, a pill that worked would make somebody really really rich.
 

John Connor

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I need that pill. I just bring in the groceries and I'm sweating. I guess sweating is good because your losing calories but at my weight it fucking hell to lose. If your not over weight and have no clue then STFU!

I have gone without eating dinner, did it help F no!

Maybe we need a pile for big mouths.
 

John Connor

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Imagine a pill that fulfills your calorie intact for the whole day and makes you feel full and have no cravings.
 

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If you get fat enough, it actually becomes pretty difficult to exercise. You try strapping on a 150 pound fat suit and see if you can still run an 8 minute mile.

Show me the published medical guidance that says obese people should run an 8-minute mile.

Simply walking for longer (distance and time) than usual is enough to start the weight loss. An 8-minute mile isn't a requirement of any general fitness program.

As for coping with hunger, that's almost entirely a "mind over matter" issue. When I cut weight for athletics growing up, I could go a couple of days without eating or eating very little. Was it uncomfortable? Yeah. Was it unbearable? Never. The worst part is just the feeling of having no energy, but I was down in the single digit body fat range.

So, it doesn't take a pill, it doesn't take a surgery (most of the time anyway), it just takes willpower and accepting discomfort until you and your body adapt.
 
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The pills more likely work as a placebo convincing fat people that they now have the willpower to stop eating so god damn much.

If they just had willpower and forced themselves to stop overeating they could lose weight. It would eventually be enough weight for them to use their new found willpower to actually go exercise.

Yep. You figured it out There are lots of biological reasons why a fat person would have trouble losing weight with diet and exercise alone.

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I'm not saying this particular pill is the answer, but it isn't inconceivable that a medication could come along that will help obese people lose weight.
 
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purbeast0

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the worst part is, i bet fatties will eat this guy's pill up (literally and figuratively) and it will keep them lazy and not exercising because they expect it to work. and they will continue to eat and eat and stay fat or get fatter, and wonder why they aren't losing weight.
 

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Eating healthy is a lot like quitting smoking. You are addicted to fat, sugar, etc and when you stop your body screams for it. Willpower is not something our society values so most people simply don't have it.

Top that off with the fact that losing weight means being every so slightly hungry. That's another willpower issue.

It's a long road.
 

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I need that pill. I just bring in the groceries and I'm sweating. I guess sweating is good because your losing calories but at my weight it fucking hell to lose. If your not over weight and have no clue then STFU!

I have gone without eating dinner, did it help F no!

Maybe we need a pile for big mouths.

Here's my prescription. I'm no expert but this has worked wonders for me, and it isn't hard to do: 1) I dropped most sugar (i.e. sweetened coffee for me); 2) I started walking two miles every night (that's every night, unless its pouring out or <10F - that adds up to 14 miles a week).

In about 18 months I lost 45 pounds and five inches of wasteline. More importantly I started out gasping my way up the hills on the route and now I could walk up them at brisk speed and hold a convo with you. In the last three months I have added 15 miles per week on my bike.
 

purbeast0

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Eating healthy is a lot like quitting smoking. You are addicted to fat, sugar, etc and when you stop your body screams for it. Willpower is not something our society values so most people simply don't have it.

Top that off with the fact that losing weight means being every so slightly hungry. That's another willpower issue.

It's a long road.

so what you're saying is ... fatties are lazy and have no discipline.

SHOCKER
 

BUTCH1

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Clearly the animal called humans likes to eat, but varies on how much we like it, and how resistant to exercise we are. Modern first world conditions are such that food is unlimited, AYCE, and nobody is forced to exercise to get food.

One other effect is that the more fat you have, the more you have to eat to gain more weight. At say 150 lbs if you eat an extra cheeseburger a week you might gain a pound a month. At say 250 lbs you might need to eat an extra cheeseburger a day for the same pound a month gain. What that means is that by the time you hit 250 lbs your diet vs exercise is WAY out of balance so cutting back a cheeseburger a week you might still gain weight until you reach the weight where diet meets increased fat resisting more gains.

Seems true for many fat people, regardless of the method of losing weight, as the weight is lost the craving for food increases.

One thing is clear, a pill that worked would make somebody really really rich.

I read somewhere (and it kind of makes sense) that once humans were able to figure out farming, packing on weight became part of the DNA as an "insurance policy" if mother nature didn't deliver the goods as usual, (drought, massive rainfall, ect). It is a known fact that if you cut off a persons food supply the fat cells will of course empty but if the starvation continues the body will take from other areas and not destroy the empty fat cells, once again the "insurance" comes into play, those fat cells can be re-filled when food becomes plentiful again.
 

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If you get fat enough, it actually becomes pretty difficult to exercise. You try strapping on a 150 pound fat suit and see if you can still run an 8 minute mile.

That's why you start out walking.

And it is their fault for getting that fat. Fuck obese people, causing me to pay for in heathcare insurance. I can't stand fat people. Sure there are very rare instances where medical issues contribute, and may actually cause obesity. But most start out healthy and get medical issues from getting fat, because of poor diet and lack of any exercise.

Fuck fatties!
 
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I read somewhere (and it kind of makes sense) that once humans were able to figure out farming, packing on weight became part of the DNA as an "insurance policy" if mother nature didn't deliver the goods as usual, (drought, massive rainfall, ect). It is a known fact that if you cut off a persons food supply the fat cells will of course empty but if the starvation continues the body will take from other areas and not destroy the empty fat cells, once again the "insurance" comes into play, those fat cells can be re-filled when food becomes plentiful again.
Packing on weight would have come before farming came into being.

Animals that couldn't absorb calories for saving for lean times would die during periods of low food. There was no evolutionary pressure to favor a 'slender' gene.
 
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