Diet & Exercise Won't Work On Obese People,...

[SunnyD]

Tomorrow morning drink 2 full cups of coffee black (or with milk/cream/half/half - no sugar) and tell me if you feel hunger.

As you pointed out in your earlier post - it's not about the feeling hungry, or even the what you eat. It's about the what you do about it that matters.

Some people are going to consider obesity just like depression: A mental disorder. And guess what? They're going to try to make a pill to treat it because you can't wrap your brain around how to manage your lifestyle yourself.

 

[Train]

Some people are going to consider obesity just like depression: A mental disorder. And guess what? They're going to try to make a pill to treat it because you can't wrap your brain around how to manage your lifestyle yourself.To make a bunch of money off of idiots.

Fixed for accuracy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

As you pointed out in your earlier post - it's not about the feeling hungry, or even the what you eat. It's about the what you do about it that matters.

Some people are going to consider obesity just like depression: A mental disorder. And guess what? They're going to try to make a pill to treat it because you can't wrap your brain around how to manage your lifestyle yourself.

Uhhh.... It is about feeling hunger, my point was to drink 2 full cups of coffee - you won't feel hungry afterwards. The caffeine in it is a drug that very much helps in weight loss.

 

[disappoint]

You've got the title backwards:

Diet & Exercise Won't Work On Obese People,...

should be

Obese People Won't Work On Diet & Exercise,...

 

[justoh]

Uhhh.... It is about feeling hunger, my point was to drink 2 full cups of coffee - you won't feel hungry afterwards. The caffeine in it is a drug that very much helps in weight loss.

Coffee. Breakfast of champions.

 

[SunnyD]

Fixed for accuracy.

Wrong. There are many medications that have appetite suppressing side effects already.

Uhhh.... It is about feeling hunger, my point was to drink 2 full cups of coffee - you won't feel hungry afterwards. The caffeine in it is a drug that very much helps in weight loss.

Don't know about you, but caffeine makes me hungry. And coffee would give me explosive diarrhea. I'd be hungry as hell after it's all said and done, but the stomach cramps would make me think twice about eating at least.

 

[Train]

Wrong. There are many medications that have appetite suppressing side effects already.

...which supports the for-profit idea, doesn't it?

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Here's my prescription. I'm no expert but this has worked wonders for me, and it isn't hard to do: 1) I dropped most sugar (i.e. sweetened coffee for me); 2) I started walking two miles every night (that's every night, unless its pouring out or <10F - that adds up to 14 miles a week).

In about 18 months I lost 45 pounds and five inches of wasteline. More importantly I started out gasping my way up the hills on the route and now I could walk up them at brisk speed and hold a convo with you. In the last three months I have added 15 miles per week on my bike.

Well done. Good to see that a pill/injection were NOT needed. Imagine that.....

 

[justoh]

Wrong. There are many medications that have appetite suppressing side effects already.



Don't know about you, but caffeine makes me hungry. And coffee would give me explosive diarrhea. I'd be hungry as hell after it's all said and done, but the stomach cramps would make me think twice about eating at least.

I drink 2 16oz cups of coffee in the morning anyway, and I don't feel any more or less hungry. Seems irrelevant to hunger, and we should be eating in the morning anyway, especially protein.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I consider myself to be a pretty compassionate person, overall, but I have very little to no sympathy for fat people. If you're okay with your weight -- fine. It does irk me that I'm part of a pool whose average medical costs are increased by overweight people, but hey freedom, right? Just don't let me hear you whine about how hard it is or how desperately you wish you thin and it's not your fault.

I think a major problem is that many people have basically given up on preparing their own meals. My ex-gf was like this. Every meal she ate was either from a restaurant, or basically packaged whole from the market (like frozen breakfast sandwiches for example). She had literally no idea how to take basic ingredients and turn them into food. If you do not have control of what you eat, you cannot whine about the appearance of your body. Period.

 

[Markbnj]

Well done. Good to see that a pill/injection were NOT needed. Imagine that.....

I should also note another thing that helps: I got started on the walking by walking my dogs. Now they're used to it and won't let me not go. So they're a great motivator. Otherwise I'm sure there would have been nights I said to myself "Eh, I walked extra fast yesterday; I'll take tonight off."

 

[monkeydelmagico]

So they're a great motivator. Otherwise I'm sure there would have been nights I said to myself "Eh, I walked extra fast yesterday; I'll take tonight off."

We are creatures of habit. Doesn't hurt that the dogs are too

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Don't know about you, but caffeine makes me hungry. And coffee would give me explosive diarrhea. I'd be hungry as hell after it's all said and done, but the stomach cramps would make me think twice about eating at least.

Google "EC Stack". You won't be hungry afterwards.

Now I don't say that to mean "don't eat" - because you very well should eat so that your digestive system runs and your body doesn't go into starvation, just showing a point.

 

[Tommy2000GT]

It's hilarious to see a lot of fat people at the gym at the beginning of every January because they have a new year's resolution to strive for. And then the amount of fat people goes down within a few weeks because they give up.

 

[ElFenix]

That's crazy talk. I've seen Rhino's run pretty damn fast at me before.

'come at me bro' is best not said to a rhino

 

[datalink7]

If you get fat enough, it actually becomes pretty difficult to exercise. You try strapping on a 150 pound fat suit and see if you can still run an 8 minute mile.

It's not about a 8 minute mile when you start out.

I've helped two people who were obese lose a lot of weight, though they weren't obese enough to be bed ridden, they were obese by definition.

My father (6' tall) moved in with me after he fell on hard times (divorce, health issues). He had the beginnings of diabetes, high blood pressure, and weighed over 300 lbs (none of it muscle from working out). He smoked also.

When he got to me, walking even 1/4 of a mile was almost too much for him.

He now weighs 225, and some of that is some muscle. He probably lost 100lbs of fat. His diabetes is under control with pill (stopped it before it progressed to where he needed injections). He no longer smokes.

Know what I did? Got him to stop smoking, stop eating junk food, and commit to working out a minimum of 5 days a week. Started out simply walking. He lost about 50lbs WALKING ONLY. He progressed so he was talking walks that would last 2-3 hours. Then we started adding in some basic weight lifting, along with the walks.

I had another female friend who weighed 240 lbs. She now weighs 168 (last weigh in) and is continuing towards her goal of about 150. Know how it happened? A little at a time with a lot of commitment. Changed her diet, and I started coming over to her house to do the insanity DVD's 5 days a week. When we first started, I only had her do the 10 minute warm ups (so none of the actually exercise). She couldn't even complete that. But she was dedicated. Once she got so she could get through the whole warm up without needing to take a break, I eased her into the basic videos, on to the advanced, and then added in a few jogs a week.

Both of these processes took over a year. It took DEDICATION and TIME. This isn't something that's going to happen over night. But it also took ZERO medication. Just modified eating habits, and committing to physical activity at least 5 days a week.

Unless you are so overweight that you literally are bed ridden, you can start out with walking and getting your heart rate up, and modifying your diet.

 

[Regs]

 

[TwiceOver]

There's a guy at my gym that started last year at 390. He's down to 250. I went from 270 down to 170. Oh, there's Steve the 65 year old that lost 90 pounds and is just jacked. Brennan who lost 110 pounds and now competes in body building competitions.

Good thing responsibility doesn't work.

 

[juiio]

If you get fat enough, it actually becomes pretty difficult to exercise. You try strapping on a 150 pound fat suit and see if you can still run an 8 minute mile.

Maintenance calories for a grossly obese person are so high that they can lose weight easily without exercise just by reducing caloric intake. Nutrition is WAY more important than exercise. They can add exercise gradually as they progress.

 

[Exterous]

Changed her diet

This is huge but overshadowed by the 'work out' idea IMO. Combined my wife and I lost 200lbs and most of that was simply from changing how and what we eat. Now we pay attention to the actual serving sizes and calorie count when thinking about preparing meals. Before it was a lot of pre-packaged meals and frozen pizza type dinners. Now I can't remember the last time I've had a frozen pizza. Before we just ate random amounts of food but now we will actually measure out portion sizes and eat proper portions

The trouble was finding things that could fill us up without the calories. We turned to things like air popped popcorn, measured quantities of pop-chip like snacks, applesauce, yogurt, and hard boiled eggs minus the yolks. It took a lot of trial and error to find things that were low calorie that we liked but it was well worth the effort

 

[Pulsar]

Imagine a pill that fulfills your calorie intact for the whole day and makes you feel full and have no cravings.

Unfortunately, for a large number of 'fat' people, (myself included) there are underlying conditions that contribute to overeating. In many cases it's depression. Food is an immediate reward - food in mouth, tastes good, feel full. As a result, for some people it's almost impossible to lose weight, because they're battling depression AND overeating. Eating leads to temporarily feeling better, but feeling worse later, and they both feed on eachother. They eat even when they aren't hungry, because they want that 'feel good' rush they get from it.

 

[Mixolydian]

Negative reinforcement works on obese people. :sneaky:

 

[Markbnj]

Started out simply walking. He lost about 50lbs WALKING ONLY.

Interesting how closely that gels with my own results. I was 265+ when I started, now 220-ish. I also feel I am at the point where walking and even the 15 miles a week on the bike won't get me too much further. I need to start some calisthenics.

 

[Pulsar]

It's not about a 8 minute mile when you start out.

I've helped two people who were obese lose a lot of weight, though they weren't obese enough to be bed ridden, they were obese by definition.

My father (6' tall) moved in with me after he fell on hard times (divorce, health issues). He had the beginnings of diabetes, high blood pressure, and weighed over 300 lbs (none of it muscle from working out). He smoked also.

When he got to me, walking even 1/4 of a mile was almost too much for him.

He now weighs 225, and some of that is some muscle. He probably lost 100lbs of fat. His diabetes is under control with pill (stopped it before it progressed to where he needed injections). He no longer smokes.

Know what I did? Got him to stop smoking, stop eating junk food, and commit to working out a minimum of 5 days a week. Started out simply walking. He lost about 50lbs WALKING ONLY. He progressed so he was talking walks that would last 2-3 hours. Then we started adding in some basic weight lifting, along with the walks.

I had another female friend who weighed 240 lbs. She now weighs 168 (last weigh in) and is continuing towards her goal of about 150. Know how it happened? A little at a time with a lot of commitment. Changed her diet, and I started coming over to her house to do the insanity DVD's 5 days a week. When we first started, I only had her do the 10 minute warm ups (so none of the actually exercise). She couldn't even complete that. But she was dedicated. Once she got so she could get through the whole warm up without needing to take a break, I eased her into the basic videos, on to the advanced, and then added in a few jogs a week.

Both of these processes took over a year. It took DEDICATION and TIME. This isn't something that's going to happen over night. But it also took ZERO medication. Just modified eating habits, and committing to physical activity at least 5 days a week.

Unless you are so overweight that you literally are bed ridden, you can start out with walking and getting your heart rate up, and modifying your diet.

If more people had friends like you that gave that type of support, there'd be a lot fewer fat people in the world.

Instead..... FAT PEOPLE SUXXXXOR... ROFLOL, fatties suck.... losers... etc.

 

[SunnyD]

Google "EC Stack". You won't be hungry afterwards.

Now I don't say that to mean "don't eat" - because you very well should eat so that your digestive system runs and your body doesn't go into starvation, just showing a point.

Yes, meth does cause people to lose weight. But for all the wrong reasons.