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Jwyatt

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OK, From a guy that weighed 387lbs 2 years ago. Im now at 260, and still dropping weight. The only person to blame for my obecity is ME. Yes ME. I own it, well you could put some blame on Verant, Sony the makers of Everquest. I was on it for a few years.....but I put myself in that situation.
The weightloss happened not because someone gave me a pill, but because i started eating less and moving more. My FAT ASS put the effort in and lost weight.

Calories are KING when trying to lose weight.
 

IronWing

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Hydrogen peroxide is the real culprit in obesity. Just look at its formula: HOHO.
 

Grooveriding

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The biggest obstacle to weight loss for the obese and really everyone who wants to lose some weight is a lack of patience. Many do not understand that proper sustainable weight loss is a slow process. For the obese this generally means over a year and longer of consistently maintaining a healthy lifestyle.

Exercise is great for cardiovascular health and improving heart function, but it is a fundamental lack of understanding that leads people to think it's a necessity for weight loss. How much and what kind of food you eat is 90% of losing weight. You can certainly accelerate your losses via exercise, but it's by no means necessary. As an obese individual you probably should avoid anything intensive to avoid injury leading to being laid up and eating poorly again. At most I would recommend you walk for a half hour daily and just maintain a caloric deficit, eating good quality foods. Once you've knocked off a large portion of the excess then you can worry about exercising and getting your heart in shape.

As far as the premise of the linked OP, it's hogwash. Unless you are morbidly obese, by this I mean to the point you can barely move around and are near/are bed-ridden, proper diet is the key to losing weight. It will take years but that is the reality of having gained that much weight. For individuals who are catastrophically obese then more drastic measures are in order. That article is a scheister CEO trying to sell just another quick-fix.
 
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Grooveriding

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Anyone that thinks weight loss is simple hasn't given it much thought.

The method to lose weight is incredibly simple. I think you are confusing simple with easy. How to lose weight=simple, executing on it=difficult. The focus has been muddied by snake oil salesmen and pharma trying to cash in the obesity epidemic in the US. There is no secret, just take in less calories than you expend daily and you'll lose weight. If you eat good whole foods that are clean, drastically reduce your sodium intake, very low fat intake, good amount of fiber etc. this will help you physically feel better and smooth the process out. But you could eat McDonalds garbage every day and so long as you ran a caloric deficit you would lose weight.
 
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PenguinPower

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The method to lose weight is incredibly simple. I think you are confusing simple with easy. How to lose weight=simple, executing on it=difficult. The focus has been muddied by snake oil salesmen and pharma trying to cash in the obesity epidemic in the US. There is no secret, just take in less calories than you expend daily and you'll lose weight. If you eat good whole foods that are clean, drastically reduce your sodium intake, very low fat intake, good amount of fiber etc. this will help you physically feel better and smooth the process out. But you could eat McDonalds garbage every day and so long as you ran a caloric deficit you would lose weight.

How long would you suggest I wash them?
 
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OK, From a guy that weighed 387lbs 2 years ago. Im now at 260, and still dropping weight. The only person to blame for my obecity is ME. Yes ME. I own it, well you could put some blame on Verant, Sony the makers of Everquest. I was on it for a few years.....but I put myself in that situation.
The weightloss happened not because someone gave me a pill, but because i started eating less and moving more. My FAT ASS put the effort in and lost weight.

Calories are KING when trying to lose weight.

Nice Work! Keep it up!
 

Cerb

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Eating healthy is a lot like quitting smoking. You are addicted to fat, sugar, etc and when you stop your body screams for it. Willpower is not something our society values so most people simply don't have it.

Top that off with the fact that losing weight means being every so slightly hungry. That's another willpower issue.

It's a long road.
Plus, people have stayed fat tend not to burn as many calories with a given amount of exercise (one of a few reasons why the simple calories in v. out doesn't work for many--controlling calories out is a problem for people not used to being active). In my own case, exercise simply does not cause me lose weight. I will tone muscle with very little fat loss.

Know what works really well, though, however slowly? High-fiber food, especially w/ whole grains. Not fiber pills, and not Cheerios, but stuff like oatmeal, tabouleh, beans, etc., that keeps you full, has plenty of minor nutrients, and leaves you not prone to sugar/salt cravings through the day. But, see, that shit requires planning, time, and effort. Who has that? You can half-ass it with prepared foods, but even that requires planning, effort, and not eating something else instead. Is that unamerican, or what?

If a pill or injection can work, great. But, that's not going to keep you from yo-yoing afterwards, so it's really not great, unless you're basically bedridden. Unless, of course, you are the seller of said pills, injections, or whatever. Then it's always great. If fad or Rx A doesn't work, there's fad or Rx B to try. With enough options, and enough people wanting a quick fix, there will be consistently many customers. Being a prescription just means it might take a bit of doctor shopping.

But you could eat McDonalds garbage every day and so long as you ran a caloric deficit you would lose weight.
In theory, you could. The reality for many, if not most, is they'd get more sick, and not lose any weight, because their body would be conserving energy, and they wouldn't have the stamina to be active enough use up more of them.

And, ironically, McDonalds has among the best food selections of any large fast food chain, despite being considered the canonical evil.

Most people that aren't obese due to depression would be fine if eating better, rather than at all worrying about eating less. But, surely, you've seen when it's been tried to give kids in schools healthier meals, and it fails, right? Tons of adults are the same way. They're so used to the crap, that they prefer to keep eating it, and stay how they are. Mountains of national medical debt, here we come!
 

SlitheryDee

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Haha. Lock an obese person in a room, feed him ~1500-2000 calories a day for 3-4 months, and watch what happens to him.
 

Kaido

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The method to lose weight is incredibly simple. I think you are confusing simple with easy. How to lose weight=simple, executing on it=difficult. The focus has been muddied by snake oil salesmen and pharma trying to cash in the obesity epidemic in the US. There is no secret, just take in less calories than you expend daily and you'll lose weight. If you eat good whole foods that are clean, drastically reduce your sodium intake, very low fat intake, good amount of fiber etc. this will help you physically feel better and smooth the process out. But you could eat McDonalds garbage every day and so long as you ran a caloric deficit you would lose weight.

Wow, simple vs. easy, that's a really good insight...the method is simple, but the execution is not easy. Otherwise no one would care about 6-pack abs because everyone would have them
 
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BoberFett

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If more people had friends like you that gave that type of support, there'd be a lot fewer fat people in the world.

Instead..... FAT PEOPLE SUXXXXOR... ROFLOL, fatties suck.... losers... etc.

Those attitudes can be blamed partly on the fat acceptance movement. I bet most people's family and friends could be counted on for positive support if the fat person wanted to lose weight. But the Facebook campaigns by digusting people who repost every picture of a land whale with some idiotic saying like "A real man loves a woman with curves" have really brought out the trolls.
 

Kaido

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Those attitudes can be blamed partly on the fat acceptance movement. I bet most people's family and friends could be counted on for positive support if the fat person wanted to lose weight. But the Facebook campaigns by digusting people who repost every picture of a land whale with some idiotic saying like "A real man loves a woman with curves" have really brought out the trolls.

This one is my favorite:

http://i.imgur.com/BJc5bo9.png

:biggrin:
 

Kaido

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Those attitudes can be blamed partly on the fat acceptance movement. I bet most people's family and friends could be counted on for positive support if the fat person wanted to lose weight. But the Facebook campaigns by digusting people who repost every picture of a land whale with some idiotic saying like "A real man loves a woman with curves" have really brought out the trolls.

It kind of makes me wonder if that movement actually exists IRL, or if it's just an Internet/TV thing. I have yet to meet anyone who is overweight who is really happy being that way & doesn't want to change. I struggled with being overweight for years & wanted to get skinny, but I didn't understand all of the things I do now about nutrition & fitness - that you are the only person responsible for your body, that food mostly determines how fat you are, that exercise actually feels good when you're in shape, etc.

And I think there's a difference between knowing the facts and having the confidence from seeing results yourself. It's like the difference between reading the recipe & actually cooking and eating something tasty...one is just data, but the other gives you the confidence that you can do it & do more of it, which is really important when you don't have a background of being successful at getting in shape. I was the chubby nerdy kid with the inhaler in grade school. Now I look like Arnol-, no, wait, I'm still the chubby nerdy kid
 

Kaido

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The weightloss happened not because someone gave me a pill, but because i started eating less and moving more.

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Calories are KING when trying to lose weight.

Fat Head was an eye-opening documentary, it's available here on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs

He actually ends up losing weight by eating nothing but fast food, simply because he doesn't exceed his maximum daily calorie requirement (2200 or 2400 calories or something like that). That's not to say it's a healthy diet, but if your first & foremost goal is to lose weight in a realistic way, it's hard to argue with that - you can still eat McDonalds & the pounds will fall off! :thumbsup:
 

futurefields

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people will look for any excuse to continue their bad habits and blame other people for their problems
 

tommo123

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people just need a little motivation. i've been 350lbs and went down to about 160 in 5-6 months before since i just decided "fuck it" and went to the gym 4-6 times a week and cut down to 1000cal a day. worked for me then. before that i couldn't be bothered doing anything about it.

lost my way since then and i know that i just need to get my ass back to the gym for a week and once i've done that - the routine is back, and it won't be annoying/painful doing weights and cardio again and the weight will come off.
 

PenguinPower

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people just need a little motivation. i've been 350lbs and went down to about 160 in 5-6 months before since i just decided "fuck it" and went to the gym 4-6 times a week and cut down to 1000cal a day. worked for me then. before that i couldn't be bothered doing anything about it.

lost my way since then and i know that i just need to get my ass back to the gym for a week and once i've done that - the routine is back, and it won't be annoying/painful doing weights and cardio again and the weight will come off.

That's stupid and unhealthy.
 
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