difference between velociraptor & Intel X25-M 80GB

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Glenn

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I build niche systems for a few govt agencys who need to manipulate large files (maps, photos etc...) and have tested and deployed several of these because they make a huge difference in the ability for them to do their jobs. All the jmicrons i tested found homes on ebay because they really sucked. Although I've had Indillix drives, I haven't put any in the field because I see too many horror stories at OCZ forums with failures. Intels do everything we need at this point and have no issues that have cause me any headaches yet!

I've also used Bing Cash Back, taken advantage of price mistakes (like Buy.com selling 160gb drives at 80gb prices). I learned long ago that if you want to play on the expensive cutting edge you can mitigate your depreciation by not getting to attached to anything and selling at the first-best opportunity. I replaced all the G1's I had out as soon as the G2's came out and sold the G1s on ebay for very little difference... and will do the same when the next best comes out.


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Why and what have you learned?
 

Old Hippie

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All the jmicrons i tested found homes on ebay because they really sucked.
Same place where my JMicron drive went but I didn't think it was all that bad.

I replaced all the G1's I had out as soon as the G2's came out and sold the G1s on ebay for very little difference
My plan was to sell my G1s when the G3s emerged but my G1s don't seem to like W7 RAID0 so I bought 2 G2s to remedy the situation.

I'm just surprised that you didn't keep a drive for yourself.

I'll never go back to a mechanical disk for OS and programs and I'm suprised you're satisified with a 640 black.

I use an 80GB VR for my "I gotta get online" back-up OS drive.
 

taltamir

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we are but a few months away from 32nm SSD chips...
so I would wait for now... that intel X25 was the best SSD around when it was released, the other SSDs since have cought up to it largely, and the cap on sequential write speeds is PITA.

As for those who say games are not going to load faster... bull.
My intel X25-80GB G2 has made a big difference for me in many games. Not ALL games, but many games. Some games that were unplayable due to load times are now playable. Some games it makes no difference.

For example, distand worlds took me 1 minute and 21 seconds to load a save game stored on my HDD with the game installed on the HDD... but with the save file and game both on the SSD it took me 1 minute and 18 seconds. Insignificant change that just goes to show it isn't the drive read speed that matters here.

on the other hand, neverwinter nights 2 greatly benefits from the SSD.
 

Voo

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As for those who say games are not going to load faster... bull.
My intel X25-80GB G2 has made a big difference for me in many games. Not ALL games, but many games. Some games that were unplayable due to load times are now playable. Some games it makes no difference.
They say the USUAL game doesn't benefit a LOT from SSDs, there are some outliers as always but for the majority of games it's just not worth spending 20gb of highly valuable space.
 

MagickMan

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Well, for WoW the difference is huge, for that reason alone the upgrade was worth it to me.
 

IntelUser2000

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we are but a few months away from 32nm SSD chips...
so I would wait for now... that intel X25 was the best SSD around when it was released, the other SSDs since have cought up to it largely, and the cap on sequential write speeds is PITA.

You mean 25nm. X25-M G2 is already 34nm.

Game load speeds won't get lower at certain point because it becomes driver limited and certain code has arbitrary delay added on.
 

taltamir

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They say the USUAL game doesn't benefit a LOT from SSDs, there are some outliers as always but for the majority of games it's just not worth spending 20gb of highly valuable space.

Except, if you try to play one of those "outliers" which benefits tremendously...

Distant worlds for example did not benefit noticeably, it went from 81 to 78 seconds to load a particular save when i moved the save AND the game install directory to the SSD... that is a 3.85% improvement...

NWN2 on the other hand benefited tremendously...
IIRC so did Sword of the Stars and the guy above mentioned WoW (I wouldn't know, I don't play wow)...

For those games where it makes a big difference it is a huge boon and totally worth it.

You mean 25nm. X25-M G2 is already 34nm.

Yes, that is what I meant... I blame lack of sleep... anyways, 25nm should reduce the cost of manufacturing to LESS than half what it currently is... naturally that doesn't mean the cost of purchasing would decrease by that much, but it would decrease some...
along with faster performance, lower power consumption, etc...
 

Emulex

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no kidding most government agencies require you to pay them any rebates.

alot of folks gonna get served one day when bing hands over their payouts/sales-out reports to the states/feds.
 

taltamir

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I've also used Bing Cash Back, taken advantage of price mistakes (like Buy.com selling 160gb drives at 80gb prices). I learned long ago that if you want to play on the expensive cutting edge you can mitigate your depreciation by not getting to attached to anything and selling at the first-best opportunity. I replaced all the G1's I had out as soon as the G2's came out and sold the G1s on ebay for very little difference... and will do the same when the next best comes out.

This is extremely true. I also do the same. I sold my C2Q6600 on ebay and bought a brand new Q9400 for only 5$ more.
Sometimes you can get really lucky and actually turn a profit on such a side-grade... the nicest thing about it is that people have no concept of cost of ownership... things like cooling costs and electricity costs don't register in their minds. (note: I don't just assume the exist, I do the math... I have seen cases where I would pay 10+$ more upfront for a power saving item that will save me under 10 cents in its lifetime... ex: the new lower voltage DDR3 modules... I pass on those)
 

Dark Shroud

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Since the Intel 25nm refresh is already mentioned I'll bring up a couple of other points.

Velociraptors just recently received a refresh. So they are fastest platter drivers again, barring SCSI drives.

I see work stations using these drives when Raid is needed for data back up. They're not as fast as SSDs, but they do remove some of the sluggishness seen when working with some databases. They also have higher storage capacity vs SSD drives.

VelociRaptor drives are more niche use now than they used to be. But it will still be a few more years before they are rendered obsolete tech.
 

taltamir

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I see work stations using these drives when Raid is needed for data back up. They're not as fast as SSDs, but they do remove some of the sluggishness seen when working with some databases. They also have higher storage capacity vs SSD drives.
Technically SSDs are more physically dense, but are just so expensive that they don't bother selling 2TB 3.5 inch SSD.
 

IntelUser2000

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VelociRaptor drives are more niche use now than they used to be. But it will still be a few more years before they are rendered obsolete tech.

Yea, until Q4 2010/Q1 2011 when Intel releases the 600GB X25-M drives. I'm thinking of 320GB version to replace my 80GB X25 G1 + 160GB Seagate 7200RPM with 320GB X25 G3 + 80GB G1. That'd be awesome
 

hclarkjr

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my SSD arrived today and runs great. glad i upgraded from my velociraptor. one question i have though is that i notice that everest ultimate does not display a temperature under hardware monitoring. does it have a sensor for that or is heat not an issue for SSD?
 

taltamir

Lifer
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my SSD arrived today and runs great. glad i upgraded from my velociraptor. one question i have though is that i notice that everest ultimate does not display a temperature under hardware monitoring. does it have a sensor for that or is heat not an issue for SSD?

AFAIK SSDs will heat up to 1/10th of a degree above room temperature.
they are so cool its pointless to measure their temperature.
 
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