Different races, different tippers.

[Imdmn04]

Waiters makes a lot, compared to other jobs that requires no education. So quit bitching or find another job that can give u 100 bucks a night that anybody speaks proper english can do.

Just like cops, they make a lot with relatively low amount of education. why? because they put their life on the line. I dont hear them bitching bout their job.

You have tradeoffs in life, u want a relatvely high paying job with a relatively low education requirement, then u better be prepared to give up something. and stop bitching.

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
We dont cater to families, in fact we try to deter them from entering our resturaunt when they come in to be seated. They'll ask for a high chair and we say "No, we dont have them", and then we'll sit them at the table closest to the door. My point is that in this resturaunt, it is normal to order a bottle of wine or drinks from our full bar. The ambiance is very relaxed yet upscale. There are table clothes, dim lights, paino players, and jazz bands, and candle lights. Now, in that kind of environment, why order water or a coke?

Wow, I was not unsympathetic to you until now. People order water BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DRINK, PUNK!

I don't like soda, and there are times when it's either inappropriate for me or the food doesn't lend itself towards or I'M JUST NOT IN THE MOOD FOR ALCOHOL.

Water is a way underrated drink, IMHO -- cool and refreshing, goes with everything.

And you are a sniveling, overpriveleged asshat.

PS Being a waiter IS hard, demanding work, and being a good waiter DOES demand smarts and proactive attention to detail. Having owned a restaurant, I always tip a minimum of 20%, and will go much, much higher for extraordinary service -- it's part of going out, and it's damn good karma. However, for you, I'd be willing to make an exception.

I agree with perk. The OP is arrogant. Anyone who thinks that table cloths and candles will buy you class is ridiculous. The restaurant may be nice, but judging a family on race or how many kids they have and looking down upon them only tells me that the OP is snobby. Unless they are thiefs, they have the means to afford eating at your restaurant and also the means to tip you should you deserve it. People have the right to go where they want, eat what they want and tip how they want. Just because you work as a waiter and it is a 'tough' job, doesn't mean that you are right. For the most part you are talking to a forum of people who work hard everyday, know what it is like to be at the bottom of the totem pole, have worked their way through college with less whining and more humility than you and find you incredibly amusing. I wonder how you will hack it after college if you are so whiny now.

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: beer
Maybe it's a west coast thing, I don't know, with the <10% tips and whatnot. I waited tables at a moderately priced Italitan restaurant in Texas. Yes, asians generally tip lower than whites. Yes, I know, STEREOTYPICALLY blacks tipped less.

In my experience, though, professionals - white, asian, or black - tipped right around 20%, universally. A group of businessmen will typically go around 30% since it isn't their money anyways, and most of them have 'been there' at some point. Typically, a black couple would tip around 20% - I think it reflects your character how much you tip, and if you're on a date with someone it reflects poorly on you if you tip poorly. If you can spend $50 on a meal, $10 versus $7 is but about 5% of your total ticket but influences what the waiter takes home by much more - since waiters pay 3% or so of the total sale in tipout, regardless of what they were tipped.

Indians were lower tippers, yes. But a lot of time, the tickets were lower since most of them would prefer pasta or vegetarian entrees to meat. Families tipped less than couples, which tipped less then business outings.

I waited tables every weekend for nearly seven months. The lowest tip I EVER got was from a while couple, and that was about 12%. I have NEVER been tipped less than that. Those of you that tip at or less than 10%, you are in the vast, vast minority, and whether or not you agree if you are with people and pull that sh!t, it does reflect on your character in a nonflattering way.

This seems to hit the nail on the head. I agree.

 

[Tom]

maybe the reason you get mediocre tips is because you behave like an as$sjack.

treat each person as an individual, not as what your pre-conceived notions tell you about them. And don't look at them as money in your pocket, but as guests in your home that you want to be happy and comfortable.

do this, and you will do well in any service job.

 

[Taejin]

Since when did a tip become obligatory?

I'll tip if I please, and won't if I don't want to. No restaurant tells me I have to tip if I eat there.

Don't like it? Whine. Bitch. Moan. But the fact of the matter is we're not required to tip, no matter how much you act like we do.

 

[bcterps]

If you're gonna generalize about people, then you deserve crappy tips. Don't go complaining about how tough the job is, we don't care. You're still doing it, you're making good money so stop whining like a little bitch.

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster

Originally posted by: ManSnake
Please lock! I am offended. :|

This is a racist thread and I don't stand for racism. :|

It's not racist. It's the truth. These are honest oberservations I've made.

hey fvcktard, stfu.

 

[Ninjja]

Originally posted by: geecee
That said, too many people can't differentiate between food and service. The food is supplied by the chef. The service is supplied by the waiter. If the food tastes bad or is under- or over-cooked, it is NOT the waiter's fault. If the waiter takes it back and does what he is able to to make you happy, he should NOT be penalized for it.

That's a good point.

 

[dandruff]

I am Indian.

I have stakes in two upscale restaurants in KC as a silent investor.

I know nothing about the nitty-gritty of restaurant business (being a server etc.)

From what I have heard:

I have to agree with the OP.

Indians even in upscale places are the worst tippers.

also, a chef once told us that Indians customise his culinary creations more than anyone else - whats the point in going to a spanish tapas place and converting it to a curried entree ... as a chef (he is well educated with Masters ...) he is offended by mutilation of his dishes ...

just my observations.

 

[Shortcut]

Originally posted by: benchiu
If you're gonna generalize about people, then you deserve crappy tips. Don't go complaining about how tough the job is, we don't care. You're still doing it, you're making good money so stop whining like a little bitch.

Agreed. The benefits and risks of a job go hand in hand.

 

[judasmachine]

Last night I (american indian) refused to tip my waitress at Bennigan's. My bill was $16.63, and I gave her a $20. She asked if I needed change and I said yes. I was going to see what I had versus how good of a waitress she had been (below mediocre). When she brought my change she only gave me $3. I then sat there and finished my drink, and asked my fiance if she was ready. I then laid the $3 on the table, and when I saw the waitress make a beeline for it I snatched it up, and told her she stole 37 cents from me, she quickly walked away. Damn white people always taking from us.

 

[Pandamonium]

I just read every reply and my head hurts.

This has been said before: the OP's critical generalizations, however offensive, are fair. He's based them on personal observations spanning a considerable period of time.

But to put forth an argument that tipping for great service is mandatory is preposterous. And to further earmark a value of 20+% is beyond absurd. From the consumer's perspective, tipping is a means of ensuring quality service. While I have never worked in the food preparation industry, it seems that tipping is also a means of augmenting a restaurant's profit margins. If you consider both these uses AT THE SAME TIME, it should be clear that tipping is NOT a necessity. Tipping may be a generally accepted cultural standard, but that, by no means, makes it required.

And monster, you ought to be ashamed for even thinking to discuss these criticisms on a public forum. For all the class that you expect others to exude in dining, you fail to demonstrate yours.

edit: typo

 

[kuljc]

lol at least you don't work at red lobster....


but otherwise it's pretty true on what you said.

 

[ai42]

Honestly I have little reason to tip more than 20%. Just in general service its not that great. The only place where I have seen consistant great service is Abuelos. Of course I don't regulary goto to 5 star restraunts. Mostly due to the fact that Fridays, Bennigans, Chilis etc are all franchised companies and most have specific rules on how to treat their customers. I find it absolutely ridiculious that a lot of restraunts have policies to not refill customers drinks after they have been given the check, as to encourage them to leave.

I even complained to a Chili's manager about terrible service of one of the waitresses who had screwed up our check, and several parts of our order and he told me "What am I going to do about it". I just find that appalling.

Honestly in general with the service I get I rarely tip beyond 15%. However, I have given very generous tips before including a $20 tip on a $30 check before.

BTW I don't find the OPs thread racist. I know several Indian friends of mine who will not tip at all irregardless of the service.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Last night I (american indian) refused to tip my waitress at Bennigan's. My bill was $16.63, and I gave her a $20. She asked if I needed change and I said yes. I was going to see what I had versus how good of a waitress she had been (below mediocre). When she brought my change she only gave me $3. I then sat there and finished my drink, and asked my fiance if she was ready. I then laid the $3 on the table, and when I saw the waitress make a beeline for it I snatched it up, and told her she stole 37 cents from me, she quickly walked away. Damn white people always taking from us.

indian giver huh?

 

[Pciber]

I try to tip 15%, but since i'm a poor jobless teenager, usually I don't have money to tip/just leave whatever change i have in my pocket...

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: rsd
Hmm...I would say I get water more often than not, but still tip %20 usually.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm white. It takes a really crappy experience for me to tip less than 15%. It takes an exceptional experience for me to tip much more than 15% though.

Draw whatever conclusions from this you will.

BTW-When I go out to eat I order whatever I feel like eating. I figure I'm paying for this meal I might as well order what I want. I can get water at home. I'm going out because I want to try something new and different.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete

Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster

Originally posted by: ManSnake
Please lock! I am offended. :|

This is a racist thread and I don't stand for racism. :|

It's not racist. It's the truth. These are honest oberservations I've made.

I figured someone would call him racist.

Stating observations != being a racist. Lying or stretching the truth maybe.

I don't know that I'd go that far. You might say that he has experienced a relatively small percentage of that population and in a fairly small sphere of influence. That experience will probably not be enough to draw any conclusions from though so this is really nothing more than a generalization. Or at best personal observations.

Take it as a grain of salt.

I don't know that I'd go so far as to call the motherfvcker a racist though. Certainly biased but not necessarily a racist.

 

[Legendary]

I partially agree with this - I'm Indian (19) and when I go to dinner with my parents (immigrated from India in 78) they always tip the bare minimum 15%. I usually end up taking a few bucks out of my pocket and tossing it on the table with whatever tip they've given. I've gotten into arguments with them before but they're always ridiculously stubborn about it. They never explain it either - but hey - don't stereotype all of us/give us crappy service just because we're Indian. We're not all like that.
And for the record, I like water or diet coke and I tip 20% or more when I'm not out with my parents, unless the service was exceptionally bad. I once left <10% for a waiter who took 30 minutes to bring us food (from Pizzeria Uno's, not exactly "Dorsia" from American Psycho), didn't refill our drinks, our food was cold, the restaurant wasn't busy at all, and he only had one other table. What he was doing for that entire time I don't know, but I left him his crappy tip and a note about how I would never come back. I wonder if it changed anything...
P.S. To the OP - just cause we're cheap doesn't mean we're stupid - if you carry stereotypes like this, it most likely shows in your service, thus making your tips even less and perpetuating the stereotype more.