Different versions of the Radeon 7500?

hhpwang

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At newegg.com they have no fewer than three cards marked as Radeon 7500 (ok, one of them is labelled 7500LE). Could someone explain the differences between the cards? Information on the website is scarce to say the least.

TIA!
 

AnAndAustin

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The key differences in any Radeon card is the default core/RAM clocks and the type of RAM used. Retail cards and ATI cards generally have the fastest default clocks and can o/c better thanks to the higher quality RAM.

I assume the 3 types you refer to are Rad7500, Rad7500LE & Rad7500AIW. The Rad7500LE is likely to be a slightly lower clocked card with cheaper RAM, much in the way the Rad8500LE is to the full Rad8500. The AIW gives enhanced VIVO and features, very good if you need that functionality. In terms of perf any Rad7500 gives perf about equal to a GF2TI/GF4MX440 but loses out to the GF4MX cards in AA. Good card if you're on a tight budget. $30 or so should give you a much faster and more capable Rad8500LE or GF3TI200, well worth the extra cash. The Rad8500LE is a little faster and has better '2D' image quality and VIVO, while the GF3 edges the perf when AA is applied.
 

hhpwang

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thanks for the info anandaustin -- upon closer inspection it looks like the 3 versions they have at newegg are

Radeon 7500 SDR $57.00
Radeon 7500LE DDR $59.00
Radeon 7500 DDR $65.00

looks like the 8500LE goes for about $94. Does the 8500LE really have better *2D* performance than the 7500? i thought video card battles are fought mostly over 3D ground. if the 8500LE is better 2D-wise, that might be important to me (not a huge gamer here, though i do indulge occasionally).

hhpwang
 

AnAndAustin

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If you game at all and have a CPU above 1ghz then the Rad8500LE is DEFINITELY worth the extra cash. The true ATI Radeon cards are the best for '2D' image quality, other than that I don't think there's any image quality difference between Rad7500 and Rad8500 cards.

Even if the SDR is 128bit while the 2 DDR versions are 64bit (which I doubt) I would still seriously avoid any SDR version. I am unsure what the LE version entails, according to ATI there isn't one. As such it would seem it would be clocked lower and use cheaper RAM, maybe even losing DVI or VIVO type options. So I would heartily rec the Rad7500 DDR $65, but would strongly suggest you pay the extra for the Rad8500LE. What CPU do you currently use and do you have any plans to upgrade it?
 

hhpwang

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hey i've been promoted to "member"! woo hoo!

the rig i'm building will use an ECS K7S5A board and an XP 1800+ -- i decided to go with your advice and order the 8500LE -- i bought from newegg and chose the one listed at $94 -- is that the right one? please say yes.
 

AnAndAustin

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All 8500LE cards are very very good, esp for the price. You'll get great perf from it ... enjoy!
 

Athlon4all

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To Be honest, a friend of mine is looking to spend $50 on a vid card that would be better than the A7n266-VM's 220-D video, and I had decided on the MX400 (it'll topple the Radeon 7000) but, then I saw the 7500LE DDR. Can anybody tell me the exact core/mem clock of this card and whether it is a 128-bit Memory bus? Newegg doesn't even give a manufacturer name. Thanks
 

rbV5

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The Rad8500LE is a little faster and has better '2D' image quality and VIVO

8500le's are not VIVO cards.

i bought from newegg and chose the one listed at $94 -- is that the right one? please say yes.
Thats the one you want....unless you want dual CRT's, it only supports dual monitors 1 CRT and 1 DFP, no dual CRT support. It does however sport 3.3ns hynix memory and overclocks great..excellent deal, much faster than the other Le's.
 

AnAndAustin

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rbV5, I undestand what you mean regarding LE versions and VIVO. However I was simply pointing out that GF3 cards have poor TVout & VIVO, and even GF4 cards still need 3rd party sw like TV-Tool to enhance the TVout, something nVidia should be more than able to do through their drivers. When I said Rad8500LE has better '2D' image quality and VIVO I was trying to say that any Radeon card sporting either TVout or VIVO will have it better than any GF3 card, or GF4 for that matter, although they are slightly better. I understand that standard versions of the Rad7500, Rad8500LE and Rad8500 don't come with VIVO, but I thought some versions came with combinations of CRT, DVI and TVout like is now standard for nVidia cards. I also believed that AIW was applicable to all versions of modern Radeons, but perhaps it is missed out on the LE versions. The Radeon cards do tend to vary from country to country, their prices certainly do, in UK, Europe and Australia the GF4TI4200 cards are often cheaper than Rad8500LE and the GF3TI200 is often cheaper than Rad7500.

Athlon4all, Core/RAM clocks don't matter as much as you think. I really wouldn't touch a GF2MX card now, they simply are no longer worth it, go for either Rad7500, GF2TI, GF2GTS-V or GF4MX440. The Rad7500 and GF4MX440 have better '2D' image quality and VIVO (where applicable including just TVout where applicable). The GF4MX440 is slightly faster, and much faster when enabling AA. The GF2GTS-V is the slowest, but not by much and I've heard they o/c to GF2TI levels anyway. Buying anything below these cards is not a very wise move. Another contender in this price bracket ($60ish) is the new SiS Xabre400 which gives GF4MX440 perf but unlike ALL of these other cards it can do some DX8 hw functions, however drivers are still in their early stages, but it does look promising.

Rad DDR: 183/183 128Bit DDR
Rad7500: 290/460 128Bit DDR
GF2MX400: 200/166 128Bit SDR / 64bit DDR
GF2GTS: 200/333 128Bit DDR
GF2TI: 250/400 128Bit DDR
GF4MX440: 270/400 128Bit DDR

Note that non-ATI Radeons, and even oem vs retail Radeons tend to use lower clocks and slower RAM which in turn inhibits o/c potential. I believe the best o/c'er listed is the GF4MX440 which should reach GF4MX460 speeds (300/550), just make sure it uses active cooling (ie a fan). To give you an idea of why clock speed isn't as important as real perf check out these much faster cards clock speeds, they also all support DX8 hw functions too.

Rad8500LE: 250/500 128Bit DDR (much faster than all cards listed above)
GF3TI200: 175/400 128Bit DDR (very close to Rad8500LE perf, esp when o/c'ed to 200/460)
GF4TI4200: 250/444 128Bit DDR (easily beats all cards listed, even before o/c'ed to 300/550)
 

rbV5

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Rad8500 don't come with VIVO, but I thought some versions came with combinations of CRT, DVI and TVout like is now standard for nVidia cards.
Actually, there is at least 1 3rd party VIVO model 8500, but the standard layout of the Radeon 8xxx cards is dual head VGA + DVI + TV-out with a DVI>VGA adapter for the DVI port to enable dual CRT displays.

The particular model he listed from Newegg however, looks exactly the same initially, but a DVI>VGA adaptor will not work on the DVI port, so it will not support dual CRT monitors. It does have the faster 3.3ns Ram which IMHO makes that card a great buy for under $95 shipped, and VGA + DFP + TV-out is still a flexable feature set that allows for a nice combination of displays.
 

AnAndAustin

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I completely agree rbV5, that cards is fantastic, esp for the price!

3.3ns RAM is definitely a great bonus, esp when it comes to o/c. Let us know how it goes hhpwang.
 
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