Digital Rebel Kit: $899 at Dell Home after 10% off

[Alternex]

Originally posted by: s0ssos
people keep posting it's the same sensor. that's technically true, but it's not really. they're produced using a different process so canon can sell this camera for cheaper. that is, the sensor isn't quite as good. but still should be pretty good

and also, you shouldn't have to do post-camera processing, as alternex says. there is a preset that should give you the sharpening you want, like comparable to normal consumer digicams

That's true.. but if you're gonna do that AND exclusively use the auto mode you might be better served by the Sony 828. It's another great camera and is more consumer friendly (no messing with lenses and is pretty much a point and shoot).

Sure it's safe to assume Canon is using a new fab/process for the sensor to lower costs (this happens all the time in electronics) but what makes you say it's not as good?

 

[Alternex]

Originally posted by: SSSS

Originally posted by: Zeeeter
Man I've been saving for a 10D - where did this one come from!

I'm to knackered on a Friday night to investigate, how does this stack up against the 10D?

Check out dpreview.com, you get all the answers you want. The bottomline is this: 10D is $600 more expensive. You would expect 10D to outperform Digital Rebel in most areas. But they share the same 6M pixel CMOS sensor. So the output quality is similar. If you are a semi-pro, you would probably spend the extra $600. But if you are an advanced amateur with a wife, Digital Rebel is probably good enough.

In this offtopic thread I mentioned some of the differences between this camera and the 10D

 

[Alternex]

Originally posted by: senior guy
Alternex~ Seeing that you own both the Rebel-D and a G2, you are probably the right person to advise me...
I'm torn between getting a Rebel-D or a G5. I've never owned a digicam - I've been using a Canon 10 (film) SLR for a good number of years and I intend to continue to use it quite a bit (at least that's my plan). I just want a good digicam mainly for travelling because most, if not all, airports (since 9/11) no longer permit hand-inspection of film and I've been winding up with fogged film (from cumulative xrays)!!!

All~ I don't see the Rebel-D on Dell's 'Home' website - can anyone provide a linky? Also, having never bought from Dell, does anyone know if they charge Sales Tax for California shipments?

Are your lenses from the Canon 10 of EF type? If so this would be a great opportunity to keep all your lenses. Anyways after I moved from the G2 to the DRebel I don't think I can ever go back mainly because of the insanely fast auto focus speeds. With the point and shoots you have to half press the shutter and wait about two seconds to focus - by then you'll miss the oportunity. Anyways if you're a longtime SLR user you probably know more than I do! Physically the two are not that much different in size. The G5 is a huge point and shoot and the DRebel is smaller/lighter than the 10D. For travel everyone loves the 28-135mm IS USM lens because of it's perfect range so you could get away with only one lens. For extreme portability you could also check out the really tiny canon cameras such as the S400 or the upcomming SD10.

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: Alternex
Are your lenses from the Canon 10 of EF type? If so this would be a great opportunity to keep all your lenses. Anyways after I moved from the G2 to the DRebel I don't think I can ever go back mainly because of the insanely fast auto focus speeds. With the point and shoots you have to half press the shutter and wait about two seconds to focus - by then you'll miss the oportunity. Anyways if you're a longtime SLR user you probably know more than I do! Physically the two are not that much different in size. The G5 is a huge point and shoot and the DRebel is smaller/lighter than the 10D. For travel everyone loves the 28-135mm IS USM lens because of it's perfect range so you could get away with only one lens. For extreme portability you could also check out the really tiny canon cameras such as the S400 or the upcomming SD10.

Thanks for that insight... Yes, my lenses are EF's... However, I'm confused as to what the film to digital field-of-view difference would be when using my EF lenses on a DRebel. For example, what would my 24mm wde-angle EF lens be equivalent to when used with the DRebel???

 

[linuxthinker]

It's safe to say that the $900 pkg does not include any lenses, right?

 

[bbkat]

Originally posted by: Alternex
In this offtopic thread I mentioned some of the differences between this camera and the 10D

I think you meant this one

 

[jdcook]

[/quote]Thanks for that insight... Yes, my lenses are EF's... However, I'm confused as to what the film to digital field-of-view difference would be when using my EF lenses on a DRebel. For example, what would my 24mm wde-angle EF lens be equivalent to when used with the DRebel???[/quote]

The focal length multiplier is about 1.6. That is, a 50mm EF lens on the Digital Rebel is roughly equivalent to an 80mm lens on an EOS film camera. Unless you want to spend the really big bucks for the 1Ds which has a full-frame sensor.

 

[jdcook]

It's safe to say that the $900 pkg does not include any lenses, right?

The Digital rebel body is $900 most places. The kit, w/ lens, is $1000. What makes this deal so hot, and why I snagged it, is Dell is selling the kit for $899 and change. AT LEAST $100 less than you can get it for anywhere else reputable.

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: jdcook
The focal length multiplier is about 1.6. That is, a 50mm EF lens on the Digital Rebel is roughly equivalent to an 80mm lens on an EOS film camera. Unless you want to spend the really big bucks for the 1Ds which has a full-frame sensor.

Thanks jd, but don't you have that backwards? It would seem to me that a 50mm lens on an EOS filmcam would work like an 80mm lens on the DRebel... not so?

Sorry for the duplicate post (below) - don't know how that happened

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: jdcook
The focal length multiplier is about 1.6. That is, a 50mm EF lens on the Digital Rebel is roughly equivalent to an 80mm lens on an EOS film camera. Unless you want to spend the really big bucks for the 1Ds which has a full-frame sensor.

Thanks jd, but don't you have that backwards? It would seem to me that a 50mm lens on an EOS filmcam would work like an 80mm lens on the DRebel... not so?

 

[senior guy]

I never did get an answer to my earlier question.... I'm about to order a Rebel from Dell, so can someone tell me if I will have to pay them sales tax for a California shipment? If so, that would just about negate the 10% discount.

Found the answer... here!

 

[jdcook]

Thanks jd, but don't you have that backwards? It would seem to me that a 50mm lens on an EOS filmcam would work like an 80mm lens on the DRebel... not so?

Hmm. Now I'm all confused. I'll use a different example. If you put a 50mm lens on the digital rebel and took a picture and then an 80mm lens on a film rebel and took a picture with the identical parameters (other than lens) with a film Rebel, they'd be the same. In other words, really good wide angle at an affordable price is harder to do on the Digital Rebel than it is with the film camera.

Is that clear?

 

[jdcook]

I never did get an answer to my earlier question.... I'm about to order a Rebel from Dell, so can someone tell me if I will have to pay them sales tax for a California shipment? If so, that would just about negate the 10% discount.

Almost all states do not have to pay sales tax for Dell Home. Why not just ask when you call? Or go to the dell home web page and put something in a cart and see.

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: jdcook

Almost all states do not have to pay sales tax for Dell Home. Why not just ask when you call? Or go to the dell home web page and put something in a cart and see.

As edited in my other post... I had found the answer - here!, but thanks anyway.

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: jdcook

Thanks jd, but don't you have that backwards? It would seem to me that a 50mm lens on an EOS filmcam would work like an 80mm lens on the DRebel... not so?

Hmm. Now I'm all confused. I'll use a different example. If you put a 50mm lens on the digital rebel and took a picture and then an 80mm lens on a film rebel and took a picture with the identical parameters (other than lens) with a film Rebel, they'd be the same. In other words, really good wide angle at an affordable price is harder to do on the Digital Rebel than it is with the film camera.

Is that clear?

Ok, let's try this again... With a focal length multiplier = 1.6, I presume that means that you multiply an EOS filmcam lens x 1.6 to get the (equivalent) working focal length on a digital Rebel... Therefore, if I put an EOS (filmcam) 50mm EF lens on the DRebel, it should produce approximately the same size image as an 80mm lens would produce on my filmcam (all other things being equal)!

 

[jdcook]

Originally posted by: senior guy

Originally posted by: jdcook

Thanks jd, but don't you have that backwards? It would seem to me that a 50mm lens on an EOS filmcam would work like an 80mm lens on the DRebel... not so?

Hmm. Now I'm all confused. I'll use a different example. If you put a 50mm lens on the digital rebel and took a picture and then an 80mm lens on a film rebel and took a picture with the identical parameters (other than lens) with a film Rebel, they'd be the same. In other words, really good wide angle at an affordable price is harder to do on the Digital Rebel than it is with the film camera.

Is that clear?

With a focal length multiplier = 1.6, I presume that means that you multiply an EOS filmcam lens x 1.6 to the working focal length on a digital Rebel... Therefore, if I put an EOS (filmcam) 50mm EF lens on the DRebel, it should produce approximately the same size image as as an 80mm lens would produce on my filmcam (all other things being equal)!

Yah. Start saving for an "L" series 16-35 zoom. Only $1400!

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: jdcook
Yah. Start saving for an "L" series 16-35 zoom. Only $1400!

Right... I'm still trying to figure out how to convince my wife that I (we) need to buy the DRebel for 'only' $900 (with 18-55 zoom).

 

[Alternex]

Originally posted by: senior guy

Originally posted by: jdcook

Thanks jd, but don't you have that backwards? It would seem to me that a 50mm lens on an EOS filmcam would work like an 80mm lens on the DRebel... not so?

Hmm. Now I'm all confused. I'll use a different example. If you put a 50mm lens on the digital rebel and took a picture and then an 80mm lens on a film rebel and took a picture with the identical parameters (other than lens) with a film Rebel, they'd be the same. In other words, really good wide angle at an affordable price is harder to do on the Digital Rebel than it is with the film camera.

Is that clear?

Ok, let's try this again... With a focal length multiplier = 1.6, I presume that means that you multiply an EOS filmcam lens x 1.6 to get the (equivalent) working focal length on a digital Rebel... Therefore, if I put an EOS (filmcam) 50mm EF lens on the DRebel, it should produce approximately the same size image as an 80mm lens would produce on my filmcam (all other things being equal)!

That is correct. This is great for the telephoto end where your 100-400mm becomes 160-640mm but bad on the wide end. This is why most people get the kit lens with starts at about 29mm (in 35mm equivalent). A lot of people have been getting the "thrifty-fifty" which is a really fast 50mm f/1.8 prime for under $70. This lens is normall a great normal lens but with the 1.6x factor it's now a great portrait lens.

 

[Alternex]

I just came back from a 7 mile hike to test the camera.
Here's a sample I liked!
waterfall runoff
It's a 2s long shot at F/10 and ISO100
The shot was hand held but stayed sharp because of ground support.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I did only minor changes to the picture. I reduced it's size, sharpened it a little, and decreased the brightness (via levels) a very small tad

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: Alternex
I just came back from a 7 mile hike to test the camera.
Here's a sample I liked!
waterfall runoff
It's a 2s long shot at F/10 and ISO100
The shot was hand held but stayed sharp because of ground support.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I did only minor changes to the picture. I reduced it's size, sharpened it a little, and decreased the brightness (via levels) a very small tad

Wow the water looks surreal in that picture. Almost as if it was painted.

 

[SSSS]

Originally posted by: senior guy

Originally posted by: jdcook
Yah. Start saving for an "L" series 16-35 zoom. Only $1400!

Right... I'm still trying to figure out how to convince my wife that I (we) need to buy the DRebel for 'only' $900 (with 18-55 zoom).

"Honey, it is time for us to have a baby.....Can we get a camera for our coming baby?"

 

[SSSS]

Originally posted by: Alternex
I just came back from a 7 mile hike to test the camera.
Here's a sample I liked!
waterfall runoff
It's a 2s long shot at F/10 and ISO100
The shot was hand held but stayed sharp because of ground support.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I did only minor changes to the picture. I reduced it's size, sharpened it a little, and decreased the brightness (via levels) a very small tad

Another great shot! Any more?

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: Alternex
I just came back from a 7 mile hike to test the camera.
Here's a sample I liked!
waterfall runoff
It's a 2s long shot at F/10 and ISO100
The shot was hand held but stayed sharp because of ground support.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I did only minor changes to the picture. I reduced it's size, sharpened it a little, and decreased the brightness (via levels) a very small tad

I also think it's a great shot, especially because of the water's 'foamy' appearance! Did that happen because of a long exposure, or was that the way it actually was?

Btw, what does a '2s long shot' mean?

 

[Technocrat]

For those of you who are considering the Digital Rebel remember these few things:

Though the Rebel and the 10D share the same sensor they are not the same

The Rebel is a watered down more "automatic" camera with lessor build quality.

If you're into photography buy the 10D. If you're stepping up from the G5 then get the 10D.

I have the 10D and had a D60 and just played with the Digital Rebel yesterday and you cantell it's a cheap camera. Hence the Rebel name.


Senior Guy....2s means that he shot the photo at 2 seconds shutter sped which made the water have more blur and motion.

 

[dartworth]

check the DR forum over at dpreview.com

Yes the DR may be slightly"watered" down, but by no means is it a cheap quality camera. The DR also blows the G5 away.

The Digital Rebel is a great entry level camera into the DSLR world. I suggest reading as much as you can about the camera. Also, it comes with a very good lens for the price.

Check the return policy of the shop you are buying the camera from. Many have a 30 day return policy. Try the camera out, see if you like it.

However, you are not going to master this camera right away. Check out the forums, take a look at the pics people are taking. It's a nice piece of equipment. I'm selling my F717 and going to the DR very soon.