[Digitimes] AMD updates product roadmap for 2014 and 2015

[Shivansps]

I dont think Dell will choice to do 2 Intel motherboards for 1 netbook. All cpu choices are likely be pin compatible.

edit: http://www.theverge.com/products/inspiron-11-3000-series/7332

there we go, Celeron 2955U for the $379 one.

 

[USER8000]

I dont think Dell will choice to do 2 Intel motherboards for 1 netbook. All cpu choices are likely be pin compatible.

edit: http://www.theverge.com/products/inspiron-11-3000-series/7332

there we go, Celeron 2955U for the $379 one.

Since it is a two chip solution,not an SOC,battery life is going to be shorter. One of the higher TDP Atom chips would have been a better mix for the Intel version of the Dell. Fail.

 

[Shivansps]

Since it is a two chip solution,not an SOC,battery life is going to be shorter. One of the higher TDP Atom chips would have been a better mix for the Intel version of the Dell. Fail.

http://ark.intel.com/products/75608/

If has "I/O" on the ark them it is a soc, like all others in the U series. And you are doing battery assumptions based on nothing, it its just a cut down version of the cpu on the Mac Book Air 2013 and that one was getting 11 hours on 38wh.

 

[USER8000]

http://ark.intel.com/products/75608/

If has "I/O" on the ark them it is a soc, like all others in the U series.

Nope:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.notebookcheck.com%2FIntel-Haswell-Dual-Cores-Celeron-2955U-und-Core-i5-4200H.97618.0.html

The Macbook Air 2013 does not use an SOC:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7085/the-2013-macbook-air-review-13inch

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Air+11-Inch+Mid+2013+Teardown/15078/2

None of the current Haswell ULV or ULT chips are SOCs.

And you are doing battery assumptions based on nothing, it its just a cut down version of the cpu on the Mac Book Air 2013 and that one was getting 11 hours on 38wh.

You are getting overexcited for nothing and I can see what you are trying to do too.

Anyway,the MacBook Air uses a whole set of low power components,especially a very minaturised logic board which the Dell won't have. I have used several iterations of the MBA,and it has always pushed the size of the logic packaging since the first version:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2445/10

Don't ever presume that a budget laptop for a fraction of the price is going to have so much effort into reducing size and power consumption of the internal components. It costs more to do. Apple will also get the best binned parts by far too. If the MacBook Air had a Bay Trail SOC,let alone even one of the AMD ones,it would have a longer battery life,especially if the chip is under heavier load. Hence,why I consider not having Bay Trail for the Intel version of the Dell a fail.

 

[Shivansps]

It is still 1 package, not like Haswell-M. And all devices with Haswell-U has been showing some excelent battery numbers.

So, stop complaining for no reason.

 

[USER8000]

It is still 1 package, not like Haswell-M. And all devices with Haswell-U has been showing some excelent battery numbers.
So, stop complaining for no reason.

So,stop getting overexcited for no reason and trying to pop-poo devices based on Bay Trail.

 

[isawthedevil]

A lot of info in this video ,take a look.

AMD-FX CPU(Steamroller) Delayed/ABANDONED APUs and Consoles

 

[Shivansps]

So,stop getting overexcited for no reason and trying to pop-poo devices based on Bay Trail.

I just said there was no point on Kabini a if the Haswell one is at $30 more, then you said it was a BT at 379, wrong, i point that out, them you said something about 2 chips solution, wrong, is still considered 1 chip solution because the NB is integrated, them trying to complain on battery live based on absolutely NOTHING, we have been seeig nothing but good numbers on Haswell-U so far.

You are trying too hard to try to find a flaw on it where is none.

And finally you point out i like Bay Trail? what? i cant like BT? and what has that to do with anything on the matter? you are nothing more but a cheap fanboy and you are failing so bad at hiding it.

 

[USER8000]

I just said there was no point on Kabini a if the Haswell one is at $30 more, then you said it was a BT at 379, wrong, i point that out, them you said something about 2 chips solution, wrong, is still considered 1 chip solution because the NB is integrated, them trying to complain on battery live based on absolutely NOTHING, we have been seeig nothing but good numbers on Haswell-U so far.

You are wrong on several points. You don't even understand an SOC is a one chip solution. A two chip solution is not an SOC. Haswell is not an SOC,Atom is. Moreover,you have no clue why Intel and AMD made the chips I referred to as a SOC instead of a two chip solution. It simplifies packaging and motherboard logic meaning lower power,easier cooling and it is easier to dynamically control the power consumption of different parts of the chip,even down to switching off parts not in use.

You talk about MacBook Airs without having any clue about how much effort Apple went to reducing power consumption, which is not going to be seen in cheap budget computers.

You are trying too hard to try to find a flaw on it where is none.

And finally you point out i like Bay Trail? that has nothing to do with anything on the matter? you are nothing more but a cheap fanboy and you are failing so bad at hiding it.

You are just getting overexcited repeatedly and just because I don't agree with you need to go to childish insults. Your the one who went on a hissy fit since I said I preferred Bay Trail to Haswell in a low cost laptop. People who don't agree 100% with Shivansps(even when he is wrong) are fanboys. Cool story bro!

Using your childish terminology you are the one trying to hard to find a flaw just because you are a fanboy yourself,and this is why you call others fanboys since that is the way you think.

Unfortunately for you I use a Core i5 2500 and GTX660TI in my rig,so fanboy off(that is the language you like using,right??).

Maybe,you need to project outwards to justify your purchases,I don't,since I don't really care if I am on the cutting edge or not. It will all be obsolete in 2 seconds anyway. E-PEEN is just pointless.

 

[Shivansps]

You are wrong on several points. You don't even understand an SOC is a one chip solution. A two chip solution is not an SOC. Moreover,you have no clue why Intel and AMD made the chips I referred to as SOC. It simplifies packaging and logic meaning lower power,and it is easier to dynamically control the power consumption of different parts of the chip.

No, dont even start, you had no idea of what you where talking about and tryied to hide it, you said it was a 2 chip solution, its not, end of story. You can debate all you want if those can be consider a SOC or not, its 1 package and Intel calls them 1-chip solution and a soc, and tecnically, is a SoC, i may say Intel is cheating, but it still has the funcionality of a soc.

You are the one trying to hard to find a flaw just because you are fanboy yourself,and this is why you call others fanboys since that is way you think.

Unfortunately for you I use a Core i5 2500 and GTX660 in my rig,so troll off. You are just getting overexcited repeatedly.

Yes sure, im a fanboy who used AMD for all its live, the 2500K is my first Intel CPU and i even had a MSI U230 and now a HP DM1z with E350... yes sure.

I dont care about any company, i care about price/performance.

I just said there was no point in buying Kabini if only $30 cheaper than a Haswell, thats all, you are the one that is mad about it and trying very hard to throw dirt at the very idea of a Haswell in the same price tag than a Kabini. I dint even say if that Haswell was a good option or not.

And you attacked me because i think Bay Trail is a good product for NO REASON(wth that has to do with the Dell Inspiron 11 3000???!), stop it already.

 

[AtenRa]

No, dont even start, you had no idea of what you where talking about and tryied to hide it, you said it was a 2 chip solution, its not, end of story. You can debate all you want if those can be consider a SOC or not, its 1 package and Intel calls them 1-chip solution and a soc, and tecnically, is a SoC, i may say Intel is cheating, but it still has the funcionality of a soc.

It is TWO CHIPs in a single package, it is not a SoC (System On a Chip) no matter what Intel calls it.

 

[Shivansps]

It is TWO CHIPs in a single package, it is not a SoC (System On a Chip) no matter what Intel calls it.

Ill ask you a question. It fulfills the SoC funcionality or not? designers can just plot all the I/O directly to the chip or extras like nb/sb need to be considered?

Its 1 package and its giving quite good results power wise, and no second chip need to be taken intro consideration.

And stop with the nonsence already, NOBODY says Haswell-U is a 2 chip solution, he either trought it was Ivy Bridge or a M version of haswell, and tryied to fix it as it goes instead of adminting it.

This is a 2 chip solution

Oh, no, sorry, its a 3 chip solution. yeah right.

And this is the end of the offtropic for me, i just said i dont see much point on getting a 349 Kabini if i can get a 379 Haswell one, and im not even sure its Kabini at all, i think its a Temash (it says HD8210, but data maybe wrong), but if HD8210 its correct that mean its either the A4-1250 or Kabini E1-2100 @ 349...

 

[AtenRa]

@Shivansps

It seams you dont understand what SoC is and whats the difference between Chips(IC) and packages.

Two Chips, Single Package

Two Chips, Two packages

ATOM Baytrail Z3770 is an SoC, Single chip single package for everything.

 

[monstercameron]

It is TWO CHIPs in a single package, it is not a SoC (System On a Chip) no matter what Intel calls it.

I think they define it as mcm...

 

[AtenRa]

I think they define it as mcm...

Yes it is an MCM (Multi-Chip Module)

 

[Idontcare]

SoC has a very narrow and specific definition, but marketing is not limited by such things as silly definitions.

Marketing, as with all things in print, is an exercise in taking creative liberties with the truth as one weaves what is essentially a saga of fiction that is then (literally) sold under any other name that can be come by.

To be sure if the system is not on A chip (as in one chip) then it is not a system on a chip.

In fact it gets a little more narrower than that...if there is the need for any other IC's to belong "in the platform" so as to enable the product to function (such as dram) then the "single chip" is still not a SoC as it requires secondary chips to enable the "system" to function.

That reality is rarely adhered to with marketing though.

 

[Abwx]

KV SPECTRE DESKTOP 100W (1305).?....

http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...f9c4f5d3bb86b395edd0e1c7a2c7facaec9fa29a&l=en


http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...e7d6e0d0e3d7e4c2b08dbd9bfe9ba696b0c3fec6&l=en

 

[AtenRa]

KV SPECTRE DESKTOP 100W (1305).?....

http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...f9c4f5d3bb86b395edd0e1c7a2c7facaec9fa29a&l=en


http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...e7d6e0d0e3d7e4c2b08dbd9bfe9ba696b0c3fec6&l=en

Is that XBone ??

edit: just realized it says Desktop

 

[Abwx]

KV SPECTRE is a Kaveri denomination , as well as the 1305 model.

What is odd is the 13CU/832SPs at 600MHZ , that s more than double
Trinity s SP count and 60% more than the 512 SPs expectations for Kaveri.

 

[frozentundra123456]

KV SPECTRE is a Kaveri denomination , as well as the 1305 model.

What is odd is the 13CU/832SPs at 600MHZ , that s more than double
Trinity s SP count and 60% more than the 512 SPs expectations for Kaveri.

But it also says 1.6 ghz. Is that the cpu speed? Cant be that low for desktop Kaveri can it?
Also it says the bandwidth is only 15gb/sec. Dont see how you can utilize that much shader power with such a low bandwidth.

It does almost look like some derivative of the console chips, rather than desktop Kaveri.

 

[Abwx]

1.6GHz seems to be the main memory frequency , low bandwith
being perhaps due to a single functional channel.

KV SPECTRE DESKTOP 100W (1305); AMD Radeon R5 M200 Series (832SP 13C 600MHz, 3GB DDR3 1.6GHz 64-bit, Integrated Graphics) (OpenCL)

The 100W DT 1305 numbering is consistent with early infos.

 

[monstercameron]

But it also says 1.6 ghz. Is that the cpu speed? Cant be that low for desktop Kaveri can it?
Also it says the bandwidth is only 15gb/sec. Dont see how you can utilize that much shader power with such a low bandwidth.

It does almost look like some derivative of the console chips, rather than desktop Kaveri.

it is a notebook
http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...e0ddeccaa29faa8cf4c9f8debbdee3d3f586bb83&l=en

 

[Abwx]

it is a notebook
http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...e0ddeccaa29faa8cf4c9f8debbdee3d3f586bb83&l=en

Likely that it s rather a devellopement plateform , hence
the erroneous classification that is done by the user anyway.

 

[monstercameron]

atleast amd does seem to have fixed that memory controller getting 15GB/s out of ddr3-1600 instead of 11GB/s, theoretical max is ~25GB/s
http://techreport.com/review/22932/amd-a10-4600m-trinity-apu-reviewed/5

http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...e0ddeccaa29faa8cf4c9f8debbdee3d2f487ba82&l=en
2.6GB/s 6CU

http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...e0ddeccaa29faa8cf4c9f8debbdee3d1f784b981&l=en
5.8GB/s 8CU

http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...dbe6d3e3dbe8d9ff8db080a6c3a69bab8dfec3fb&l=en
9.4GB/s 13cu

upgrades?

 

[Blitzvogel]

Maybe AMD realized 512 SPs wasn't enough to properly fight GT3e? On desktop at least it would be easy to go triple.quad channel ("256 bit" in mosntercamerons links) or AMD is on the DDR4 ball and just waiting for it to show up. Or perhaps they will go the GDDR5 or L4 DRAM route. OMG I want to know!