[Digitimes] AMD updates product roadmap for 2014 and 2015

[AtenRa]

Also,

AMD's FM1 and AM3 sockets will start phasing out in mid-2013 and the end of 2013, respectively

AM3 will be faced out, not AM3+

 

[Abwx]

Those Kabinis must be replacements of current A4-5000(5150), A6-5200(5350) and E1-2500(2650), (most probably higher frequencies). I haven't heard of any postponements on current Kabini SoCs which they where released in June 2013.

Set apart the 5200 why would 25W APUs replace 15W variants.?.

More surely theses will be higher frequency 2C SKUs with the 2650
being brought to 2GHz+ and the 5350 being a binned 5200
with 10% higher frequency.

 

[AtenRa]

Set apart the 5200 why would 25W APUs replace 15W variants.?.

More surely theses will be higher frequency 2C SKUs with the 2650
being brought to 2GHz+ and the 5350 being a binned 5200
with 10% higher frequency.

I believe they meant "up to 25W"

 

[AtenRa]

I can tell you here, i have heard of a delay but not on hardware.

Dont ask me to say anything more :whiste:

 

[Sweepr]

So basically no Stemroller-based FX CPUs for AM3+ (as expected). Carizo APU (Excavator) for desktops with two specs: 45W and 65W. At that TDP I expect them to stick to high-frequency 2M/4C cores + improved GPU for 2015. Meh, no competition (4M/8C SR/EX FX CPUs) probably means no mainstream hexa-cores for the Intel crowd anytime soon.

 

[BUnit1701]

Also,



AM3 will be faced out, not AM3+

I hope your insight is meaningful, but am loosing hope...

 

[Ajay]

2015 and EX should be there. I wonder if AMD will scratch FM2+ in favor of FM3 with DDR4/GDDR5 support? By that time we might have 6T SR and 6T or even 8T EX based APUs with 768+ SPs on die. That thing will require serious BW in order for silicon not to go to waste.

From the little info we have on AMD's future cores it looks like they will be going for beefier cores with a wider execution pipeline. This way, as with Intel, they can maintain a net increase in performance without increasing clock speeds - which will help them lower power consumption with each node change. So, I'd guess that more cores per APU is unlikely when EX comes out.

Additionally, OEMs are tooling up systems targeting Intel's lower total power envelope infrastructure; it's not worth it to them to make radical changes just to support AMD's CPUs.

 

[mikk]

The Digitime rumour is rubbish....

http://techreport.com/news/25279/despite-mounting-evidence-amd-insists-kaveri-not-delayed

Despite the statement Techreport still insist
the next line that it is otherwise...

Marketing answers are rubbish.

 

[Abwx]

Marketing answers are rubbish.

Much less than unsubstancied claims....and posts.

 

[mikk]

Much less than unsubstancied claims....and posts.

You have to learn how AMDs marketing works or marketing in general. Such public answers or also public Roadmaps are for the show or for the marketing, they usually don't tell you the truth. To claim rubbish and prove it with a marketing answer doesn't make sense.

 

[Homeles]

To claim rubbish and prove it with a marketing answer doesn't make sense.

No kidding.

 

[guskline]

Also,



AM3 will be faced out, not AM3+

Phased out! Also the AM3+ might not be phased out but the likelihood of a new generation of cpus for it is nil. Frankly, saying AM3+ will not be phased out just means AMD will continue to produce FX chips.

 

[Homeles]

Phased out*

Third time's a charm, eh?

In regards to the clamor about AM3+, nobody should be getting their hopes up about more products coming. It's possible we could see something like a Piledriver refresh, but that's almost undoubtedly the extent of it.

AMD is discontinuing AM3. AM3 has been around for ages, and they haven't introduced a single product for it since 2011, and even then, it was a singular CPU.

So for AMD to continue supporting AM3+ doesn't say anything about whether or not any future products or coming.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I have to wonder if the FX 9xxx CPU's were the end of the line for AM3+...? I bought my AM3+ board as kind of a gamble regarding future releases. My AM2+ board saw three CPU's.

 

[guskline]

I have to wonder if the FX 9xxx CPU's were the end of the line for AM3+...? I bought my AM3+ board as kind of a gamble regarding future releases. My AM2+ board saw three CPU's.

I think so. It's hard to blame AMD. They have their back to the wall to survive so the 8 core Vishera chip may not be as high on their internal radar screen as we would hope.

Also, in fairness to AMD, Intel only had 2 generations of cpus for its 1155 mb then jumped to the 1150.

 

[Homeles]

Also, in fairness to AMD, Intel only had 2 generations of cpus for its 1155 mb then jumped to the 1150.

Because most people find technological progress, particularly in the form of greatly increased battery life, to be more important than a silly thing like socket compatibility. Really, AMD's timidness has only bit them in the rear time and time again.

Thankfully, they seem to have chosen the right path with their APUs. 3 sockets in 3 years? Not bad.

 

[pablo87]

Roadmaps from AMD have been suspect for years but this one seems believable.

I suspect motherboard vendors will be aggressively lowering their AM3+ inventory between now and Kaveri launch. AMD might have to sign some MSA's to support the WSA...

 

[Arkaign]

Phased out! Also the AM3+ might not be phased out but the likelihood of a new generation of cpus for it is nil. Frankly, saying AM3+ will not be phased out just means AMD will continue to produce FX chips.

Pretty much. AM3+ only has value for DIY really. The high TDP and low feature set of the chipsets make it uncompetitive against FM2+ and Intel stuff. Very old Sata/Usb/PCIe = too outdated for the big box guys.

We can expect to see them pump out existing SKUs until they become unreasonable to continue manufacturing, but at this point it would be a huge shock to see anything more come of AM3+. The latest FX chips already look to be a massive failure in sales given the price drops.

 

[AtenRa]

The latest FX chips already look to be a massive failure in sales given the price drops.

I wouldn't call failure close to 2mil AM3+ CPUs sold in Q2 2013, thats ~30% of AMDs desktop CPUs.

 

[Arkaign]

I wouldn't call failure close to 2mil AM3+ CPUs sold in Q2 2013, thats ~30% of AMDs desktop CPUs.

You know what I mean

The FX-4xxx/63xx/83xx are solid value and are common, as many people have existing boards to run them in, and for the right load they can be a better deal than an i3 or i5 with a limited budget.

The FX-9xxx is what I meant by 'latest' AM3+ processors. Those are just a disaster in value, and have dropped massively in price since their release just a handful of weeks ago.

 

[AtenRa]

You know what I mean

The FX-4xxx/63xx/83xx are solid value and are common, as many people have existing boards to run them in, and for the right load they can be a better deal than an i3 or i5 with a limited budget.

The FX-9xxx is what I meant by 'latest' AM3+ processors. Those are just a disaster in value, and have dropped massively in price since their release just a handful of weeks ago.

Ahh sorry, didn't realized you were only talking about the FX9xxx

 

[Arkaign]

Ahh sorry, didn't realized you were only talking about the FX9xxx

Yeah my bad I should have been more clear.

It's not that I don't think AM3 chips can be valid choices even today in many cases, but it doesn't make sense for AMD to continue releasing new products on such an old chipset. Getting a new AM3+ socket chipset with PCIe 3.0, improved Sata/USB, yadda yadda, doesn't seem likely. Particularly when you consider their FM2+ setup is already very well done. Take the FX line and move it to FM2+ for the workstation/higher level gaming guys, and I think they'd be better off than trying to limp AM3 along further.

 

[AtenRa]

Yeah my bad I should have been more clear.

It's not that I don't think AM3 chips can be valid choices even today in many cases, but it doesn't make sense for AMD to continue releasing new products on such an old chipset. Getting a new AM3+ socket chipset with PCIe 3.0, improved Sata/USB, yadda yadda, doesn't seem likely. Particularly when you consider their FM2+ setup is already very well done. Take the FX line and move it to FM2+ for the workstation/higher level gaming guys, and I think they'd be better off than trying to limp AM3 along further.

Im with ya but, im expecting at least one more FX AM3+ product.

 

[Abwx]

You have to learn how AMDs marketing works or marketing in general. Such public answers or also public Roadmaps are for the show or for the marketing, they usually don't tell you the truth. To claim rubbish and prove it with a marketing answer doesn't make sense.

We already know how your own "marketing" work in general ,
moreover when you pretend to know better then AMD themselves.

What you posted is just a rant about AMD with nothing to back
your claims.

 

[seitur]

Oh, I fully agree with their lineup. This is what they should have done before so to day. And I like seeing 65W as max bin.

Yeah me too. This way there is at least a chance they may actually deliver something I might want to consider purcharsing.

So basically no Stemroller-based FX CPUs for AM3+ (as expected). Carizo APU (Excavator) for desktops with two specs: 45W and 65W. At that TDP I expect them to stick to high-frequency 2M/4C cores + improved GPU for 2015. Meh, no competition (4M/8C SR/EX FX CPUs) probably means no mainstream hexa-cores for the Intel crowd anytime soon.

Aren't Excavator modules / cores are supposed to be quite diffrent from Buldozer&Piledriver and be more like "full true 2 cores per module" instead of this "~1,5" per module we have now?