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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Cutting the cord really isn't about the money, but showing the cable companies that we have many other options for entertainment than sitting on the fucking couch. Hell, I'd rather surf the web, play games w/ friends, work out/work on my MMA than watch TV. This is the trend, and cable companies can either adapt and give us a la carte or continue to bleed subscribers. While slower than the music industry, the internet age will soon force cable companies to cater to us b/c we have many more options for entertainment and that will only increase. Proof of the pudding is this very message board that was booming at the turn of the millenium but now much quieter.

But I'm glad that you admit to being a Cable couch potato slave, you are exactly the type of customer they are looking for. Eventually you'll realize that there is more to life than sitting on the couch watching commercials and getting fat. But congrats on that.

your assumptions are amusing.

just because i can easily spend $100+/mo on a cable bill means i'm a fat couch potato slob? pretty sure i'm probably in better shape than 99% of the people on the internet.

i just prefer the convenience of being able to watch certain channels when i want to watch them, as does my wife who watches many of the spanish channels, and for $1200/yr it really is a no brainer.
 

tmc

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i want ditch my DISH servicer complete and go with antenna, netflix, hulu, etc. ESPN is the only one i will miss - the MNF and college foot ball games are too much to miss :-(
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
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I despise the cost of DirecTv.
I am cancelling in a few more months when our 2 year contract is up.

I love the service, but $90+ a month for nothing premium is crazy.
I will miss the Science and National Geographic channels and all the sports though.
 

slayer202

Lifer
Nov 27, 2005
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Not all of us want those "big name" channels; and some of us realize that the channels we do want cost a lot less than what we're paying. I don't want to pay for MTV or VH1 or the plethora of kids channels (though I do want boomerang) or the "news" channels, or the weather channel. I'd bet that 90% of my viewing is from 4 channels - ABC, CBS, NBC (for the local news), and reruns of psych or some such show on Ion.

It should be obvious to most, but it's not. If right now we are paying $100 for 100 channels, you will be saving money if you cut down the number of channels, even when hand picking the "best" ones. You will be paying a lot more per channel, and this confuses stupid people who think they are getting worse value even though they never watched the channels they no longer get. The problem is that the new system will continue to rise in price until it reaches the max amount people will pay for television, which is the same price for the big bundles we currently have. It will be a relief in the near future but it won't last. These companies can't continue to raise prices every year, it crashes the system
 

Newbian

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Aug 24, 2008
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That's not the point.

You're paying to watch television shows that are censored & shortened in exchange for being subsidized by commercials. Why the hell would anyone pay on top of that?

Their job is to get you to watch, then they can charge for commercials. Instead they make you pay to watch, then they also charge for commercials.

Cable used to include many non-commercial channels, and those have all vanished - that I know of.

I will never again pay to watch commercial television.

So then you will never visit a website that uses ad's that you pay for tv shows / movies by that theory or you can always pay a licensing fee for some tv channels like they do in parts of the world.
 
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Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Cable used to include many non-commercial channels, and those have all vanished - that I know of.

free tv = fully subsidized by advertising
basic cable = partially subsidized by advertising
pay cable = no subsidy from advertising


seems obvious.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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your assumptions are amusing.

just because i can easily spend $100+/mo on a cable bill means i'm a fat couch potato slob? pretty sure i'm probably in better shape than 99% of the people on the internet.

i just prefer the convenience of being able to watch certain channels when i want to watch them, as does my wife who watches many of the spanish channels, and for $1200/yr it really is a no brainer.

Well you didn't mention you have a wife, I can understand keeping cable to appease her. Also you're really only spending half of the 100 assuming you and your wife are splitting the bill.

If you're in better shape than 99% of the internet, then how do you have time to watch the 75 channels you're paying for? If you work out every day, then that doesn't leave very much free time to be a couch bum after gym/work. Let alone watch anything close to the 75 channels. Most of us only watch less than 10 channels but are paying for 7-20X that. It's a business model that is unsustainable.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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Well you didn't mention you have a wife, I can understand keeping cable to appease her. Also you're really only spending half of the 100 assuming you and your wife are splitting the bill.

If you're in better shape than 99% of the internet, then how do you have time to watch the 75 channels you're paying for? If you work out every day, then that doesn't leave very much free time to be a couch bum after gym/work. Let alone watch anything close to the 75 channels. Most of us only watch less than 10 channels but are paying for 7-20X that. It's a business model that is unsustainable.

i watch tv when i'm home at night, after i've gotten off work and gone to the gym. or i will watch it on the weekend, after i play football or go fishing, or when it's raining outside. and i do development work at home after that too, while on the couch, but like to have the tv on in the background.

you also don't have to exercise 24/7 to be in shape, a huge misconception from people who don't work out, or work out wrong.

anyways ... i probably watch like 10-15 channels on cable tv. maybe more, who knows. i do a lot of channel surfing while at home and on the couch. i like the convenience.

live is too short to bust your ass at a job and worry about penny pinching. i work hard so i can play hard. and hell, i don't consider paying for cable playing hard at all lol.

and fwiw, i don't currently have directTV, and i also don't pay for cable. it's free with my rental agreement. however, i'm moving into a house at the end of august and have already priced FIOS, which will include over 300 channels + 75/35 internet for $129/mo. will gladly pay for that.

EDIT:

and mentioning my wife has nothing to do with it. i'd have cable if i was single. i can afford it and i use it.
 
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Iron Wolf

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It should be obvious to most, but it's not. If right now we are paying $100 for 100 channels, you will be saving money if you cut down the number of channels, even when hand picking the "best" ones. You will be paying a lot more per channel, and this confuses stupid people who think they are getting worse value even though they never watched the channels they no longer get. The problem is that the new system will continue to rise in price until it reaches the max amount people will pay for television, which is the same price for the big bundles we currently have. It will be a relief in the near future but it won't last. These companies can't continue to raise prices every year, it crashes the system

Another problem is that sometimes I watch different channels at different times. I only watch the NFL network during football season, for example, and I have just now starting watching the cooking channel and the travel channels heavily, both of which weren't true a year ago. So which ones do I buy, and do I constantly have to change my service as my tastes change?

I'm not sure there is a maximum the cable or satellite companies can charge that the market will bear. One of the things I hate is that my cable company, Cox, has been near constantly raising rates as long as I have had their service. It's only $2 or $5 or $10 a month, but it has added up over time. I was paying ~$140/mo for TV/Internet/phone service three years ago, and now it is approaching $180 for the same service.

Maybe that's why we haven't been threatened with losing channels like the DirecTV folks. The only one I would hate to lose is AMC, because of Mad Men.
 

Dude111

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Viacom blows..... TAKE THIER GARBAGE OFF THE AIRWAVES!!!!

TV land is trash,MTV,MTV2 and VH-1 nothing but trash........ (No good for anyone)

RTV is much better! (Retro Television Network)
 

MikeL DISH

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I'm glad to hear you had tried our service awhile ago and would love to have you back with us! You're welcome to check out the programming packages we have to offer at dish.com. Please let me know if you have any questions as I would be more than happy to assist you further! I hope to hear from you!

I have a different take on this mess and neither Viacom or direct TV are solving any problem here. They are both rat finks promoting non competitive and non free market behavior.

But here is the root of the snit, Viacom channels who are not worth a penny IMHO, goes to Direct TV and says give me a raise. Certain some tiny majority of Direct TV subscribers will howl even if the majority of its subscribers would not miss Viacom garbage a bit. But eventually Direct TV may be forced to pay Viacom more, And then pass those increased costs to its customers, regardless if they think Viacom is worth a dime or not. Rinse and repeat for all those other 500 channels and nothing on in subscription TV who play the same game, and we can see why subscription TV has gone through the roof sand will get ever more expensive in the future.

But do we, the American people have a free market and which rat fink is the bigger rat fink when they are both turds?

When a free Market in subscription TV is defined by letting the consumers law of supply and demand to set the market value of any given channel. If some chamnel charges too much, why should not we American consumers be able to say, you ain't worth what you are charging. And if the howlers and moaners want to give Viacom a raise they can opt to do so. That is a free Market.

But no, every subscription TV provider, be they cable, satellite or even fios or Uverse based, hate a free market too and are the other turd in the ripoff off of American consumers equation. Because I can't buy just the channels I want, that seldom exceeded eight when I had Dish network, no I am supposed to buy this huge package of largely worthless crap channels I would almost pay to not get.

Face the facts folks, we will not have a free market in subscription TV until we get a free choice on what channels to buy and not buy.

But for about 12 years now, its been a Mexican standoff between me and the Dish network. I own all the equipment to come crawling back to Dish TV tomorrow, and hell will freeze over before I will reup until I get to choose my channels. Net result we both lose. Yes I would like some of them premium channels back, but I now have some 40 discrete Over the Air choices in high definition with an antenna for FREE. Free Free.
 

McLovin

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I'm glad to hear you had tried our service awhile ago and would love to have you back with us! You're welcome to check out the programming packages we have to offer at dish.com. Please let me know if you have any questions as I would be more than happy to assist you further! I hope to hear from you!

That's nice, but where's my iPad/Pod?
 

postmortemIA

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Jul 11, 2006
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Indeed. If you're paying more than ~$50/month for it, you're doing it really, really wrong.

good when you are under contract, but 2 yrs later you have to switch to a different provider, as any HD package would cost at least $75.
 

SheHateMe

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Jul 21, 2012
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I'm glad to hear you had tried our service awhile ago and would love to have you back with us! You're welcome to check out the programming packages we have to offer at dish.com. Please let me know if you have any questions as I would be more than happy to assist you further! I hope to hear from you!

Going from DirectTV to Dish is like switching from Toilet paper to using my bare hands to wipe my ass.
 

lykaon78

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Indeed. If you're paying more than ~$50/month for it, you're doing it really, really wrong.

I pay roughly $80. $30 of that is equipment fees and taxes. Do tell where I'm going wrong (DishNetwork subscriber).
 

Pr0d1gy

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:thumbsup: well said!!! dish network blows monkey balls

Actually it is the best TV service going for the last 2, maybe 3, years. They have the best hardware, best service, best prices, and the best features.

Oh and MikeL isn't a spambot, he is an actual Dish rep.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Going from DirectTV to Dish is like switching from Toilet paper to using my bare hands to wipe my ass.

ugh.

Both suck.

DirectTV is joke They tried to steal $140 for a bill that was not in my name (i paid to get installed+equipment). They cancelled on the day of installation claiming i had a outsanding bill. even after they found out that NO it was not in my name the wouldn't refund the money. At least not until i got the BBB involved.

So called dish and got connected. Though that was a major pain in the ass too. The idiotic installer lied to me and refused to hook me up because he was lazy asshole. took calling dish itself and then they made him come out and climb on the roof and hook it up (btw my service sucks it cuts out every now and then) Then the idiot hooked my HD tv in only standard def. Oh and there are wires going across the floor in the office? really fucking unproffesional.

so in short? both suck. Now i wish i didn't sign the 2 yr contract (actually i enjoy tv but hate the installation).


Actually it is the best TV service going for the last 2, maybe 3, years. They have the best hardware, best service, best prices, and the best features.

Oh and MikeL isn't a spambot, he is an actual Dish rep.

Yeah i love the "hopper" and "joey" setup and that Mike is posting is great. that is good CS
 
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SP33Demon

Lifer
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Viacom and ESPN can go kill themselves by not offering channels a la carte out of greed. I'm glad DirectTV is standing up to them, and glad I don't waste my time watching TV.

Cancel cable and read books, you'll thank me later. If you really need to watch TV shows, it's on the internet (Hulu and other um, sites).

PS: Nice necro, Mr. Dish dude.
 
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