John Connor
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I don't think he qualifies as "willfully" ignorant, he's the other kind.
I doubt he would understand the difference quite frankly.
Talking shit shows how you lost the debate.
I don't think he qualifies as "willfully" ignorant, he's the other kind.
I doubt he would understand the difference quite frankly.
You may want to run the numbers again.Well, that's entirely false.
I'm sorry, I'm not stupid enough to understand what you're trying to say.Talking shit shows how you lost the debate.
I've yet to see them take a knee and protest during a game. They are doing it at a moment, where they are not paid to be athletes, that has nothing to do with the game, which has only been a fake tradition since the august days of 2009.
When have you actually ever sat down to watch them parade out and stand for the anthem with big scary jets and fireworks overhead? Is that why you watch football?
I'm against the players taking a knee during the anthem and against Trump tweeting the NFL to fire any player that does.
That being said, are you implying that NFL players are only paid for the time they spend playing games and therefore anything they do outside of those 60 minutes is none of the league's business? They have their team uniforms on and are on TV (or in front of tens-of-thousands of spectators) representing the NFL. I think it's a stretch to claim that they "aren't on the clock" and are therefore immune to any NFL action. This is a separate issue than whether the NFL should do anything, but saying they aren't being paid during that time is wrong.
I don't think he qualifies as "willfully" ignorant, he's the other kind.
I'm watching the Packers/Bears game in support of the First Amendment and the NFL and in defiance of our idiot president.
Bears looked awful or the Packers looked really good.
Rodgers has owned the Bears his entire career.
Assuming ESPN knows how to take opinion polls, this should be somewhat alarming to the NFL:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...terested-divided-nfl-protests-national-anthem
Let's be honest, the people against the protests are already watching NASCAR.What are they gonna do? Go watch Nascar? lol.
There's always the other pro league, NCAA football (where you're unlikely to see activism). Or if fans are pissed off enough, they will stop attending or viewing.What are they gonna do? Go watch Nascar? lol.
There's always the other pro league, NCAA football (where you're unlikely to see activism). Or if fans are pissed off enough, they will stop attending or viewing.
I expected maybe 1/3 of people polled would disapprove of on-field political protests, roughly corresponding to Trump's base in the neighborhood of 35-40% of adults. The ESPN survey shows a bigger number than that, esp. in whites who are considered the most important demographic to American sports leagues. Whites account for the vast majority of in-person sports revenue. This is most stark in the NBA where the superstars are virtually all Black Americans but with luxury boxes, the most lucrative fans are corporations and other well-heeled Americans. This could be why NBA commish Adam Silver has said he doesn't expect NBA players to kneel, but we'll see.
It's a little harder to evaluate TV ratings, because NFL viewership cuts across all demographics. If there's another dip this year, do you mostly attribute it to the players protests against Trump or to other factors? Lower TV ratings doesn't impact near-term profits but a multi-year trend would affect negotiations the next time broadcast deals come up.
Personally I've got no problem with players kneeling but I'm saying if the ESPN survey is an accurate reflection of Americans, that is a problem for the NFL.
The willful ignorant will be the death of this country.
You may want to run the numbers again.
I'm so glad I stopped watching NFL football years ago.
you're the real hero.
So you use these type of posts to pad your post count?
So you use these type of posts to pad your post count?