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[John Connor]

I don't think he qualifies as "willfully" ignorant, he's the other kind.

I doubt he would understand the difference quite frankly.

Talking shit shows how you lost the debate.

 

[brandonbull]

Well, that's entirely false.

You may want to run the numbers again.

 

[nakedfrog]

Talking shit shows how you lost the debate.

I'm sorry, I'm not stupid enough to understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Skel]

it needs to say .jpg on the end

https://i.imgur.com/9lexyCV.jpg

Thank you for that.. I didn't see that it was missing.

 

[kinev]

I've yet to see them take a knee and protest during a game. They are doing it at a moment, where they are not paid to be athletes, that has nothing to do with the game, which has only been a fake tradition since the august days of 2009.

When have you actually ever sat down to watch them parade out and stand for the anthem with big scary jets and fireworks overhead? Is that why you watch football?

I'm against the players taking a knee during the anthem and against Trump tweeting the NFL to fire any player that does.

That being said, are you implying that NFL players are only paid for the time they spend playing games and therefore anything they do outside of those 60 minutes is none of the league's business? They have their team uniforms on and are on TV (or in front of tens-of-thousands of spectators) representing the NFL. I think it's a stretch to claim that they "aren't on the clock" and are therefore immune to any NFL action. This is a separate issue than whether the NFL should do anything, but saying they aren't being paid during that time is wrong.

 

[Ackmed]

I'm against the players taking a knee during the anthem and against Trump tweeting the NFL to fire any player that does.

That being said, are you implying that NFL players are only paid for the time they spend playing games and therefore anything they do outside of those 60 minutes is none of the league's business? They have their team uniforms on and are on TV (or in front of tens-of-thousands of spectators) representing the NFL. I think it's a stretch to claim that they "aren't on the clock" and are therefore immune to any NFL action. This is a separate issue than whether the NFL should do anything, but saying they aren't being paid during that time is wrong.

I have the same opinion. Against the kneel, against what Trump said. I still have my Sunday NFL ticket, we love football. I do know people who have canceled theirs though. And honestly, if this continues to be the entire theme for the year, I may cancel to. Every commercial break, every commentator, every highlight, etc has this talked about. I want to watch football, I don't want to listen to this all day long. The kneel takes only a few minutes, yet the discussion afterwards lasts much longer. I could live on college ball for a year. It will be interesting to see what happens during the military week the NFL always does, when they all done military style gear.

Trying to claim that they aren't an employee, wearing a uniform that represent the team and league during the anthem is silly. Willfully ignorant even. They are representing the team and league during that time. Free speech does not protect them, they can be fired over this. Same as being fired over an arrest off the field.

 

[slayer202]

I watched the giants game and they didn't mention it at all on fox from what I saw. I think the sunday night game it got some play. stop being a baby and just watch the game if you love it so much.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm watching the Packers/Bears game in support of the First Amendment and the NFL and in defiance of our idiot president.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I don't think he qualifies as "willfully" ignorant, he's the other kind.

Yeah, a fat retard who still lives with his parents. Ignorant would be an improvement.

 

[13Gigatons]

I'm watching the Packers/Bears game in support of the First Amendment and the NFL and in defiance of our idiot president.

Bears looked awful or the Packers looked really good.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Bears looked awful or the Packers looked really good.

Bears looked inept.

 

[manly]

Rodgers has owned the Bears his entire career.

Assuming ESPN knows how to take opinion polls, this should be somewhat alarming to the NFL:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...terested-divided-nfl-protests-national-anthem

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Rodgers has owned the Bears his entire career.

Assuming ESPN knows how to take opinion polls, this should be somewhat alarming to the NFL:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...terested-divided-nfl-protests-national-anthem

What are they gonna do? Go watch Nascar? lol.

 

[gill77]

If one is having difficultly responding to an argument, the old diversionary tactic is always there.

Poor Puerto Rico is in tough shape, three million people (and declining) that cannot vote, descending into bankruptcy, a neglected power grid and two major hurricanes in two weeks.

They would have been fine if not for those last couple tweets.

 

[dud]

I'm so glad I stopped watching NFL football years ago.

 

[rcpratt]

What are they gonna do? Go watch Nascar? lol.

Let's be honest, the people against the protests are already watching NASCAR.

 

[manly]

What are they gonna do? Go watch Nascar? lol.

There's always the other pro league, NCAA football (where you're unlikely to see activism). Or if fans are pissed off enough, they will stop attending or viewing.

I expected maybe 1/3 of people polled would disapprove of on-field political protests, roughly corresponding to Trump's base in the neighborhood of 35-40% of adults. The ESPN survey shows a bigger number than that, esp. in whites who are considered the most important demographic to American sports leagues. Whites account for the vast majority of in-person sports revenue. This is most stark in the NBA where the superstars are virtually all Black Americans but with luxury boxes, the most lucrative fans are corporations and other well-heeled Americans. This could be why NBA commish Adam Silver has said he doesn't expect NBA players to kneel, but we'll see.

It's a little harder to evaluate TV ratings, because NFL viewership cuts across all demographics. If there's another dip this year, do you mostly attribute it to the players protests against Trump or to other factors? Lower TV ratings doesn't impact near-term profits but a multi-year trend would affect negotiations the next time broadcast deals come up.

Personally I've got no problem with players kneeling but I'm saying if the ESPN survey is an accurate reflection of Americans, that is a problem for the NFL.

 

[slayer202]

always shocked at how many people are so fucking stupid, as shown in these polls. but because they are so pathetically stupid, they will continue to watch. nfl viewership is still in the decline though

 

[AznAnarchy99]

There's always the other pro league, NCAA football (where you're unlikely to see activism). Or if fans are pissed off enough, they will stop attending or viewing.

I expected maybe 1/3 of people polled would disapprove of on-field political protests, roughly corresponding to Trump's base in the neighborhood of 35-40% of adults. The ESPN survey shows a bigger number than that, esp. in whites who are considered the most important demographic to American sports leagues. Whites account for the vast majority of in-person sports revenue. This is most stark in the NBA where the superstars are virtually all Black Americans but with luxury boxes, the most lucrative fans are corporations and other well-heeled Americans. This could be why NBA commish Adam Silver has said he doesn't expect NBA players to kneel, but we'll see.

It's a little harder to evaluate TV ratings, because NFL viewership cuts across all demographics. If there's another dip this year, do you mostly attribute it to the players protests against Trump or to other factors? Lower TV ratings doesn't impact near-term profits but a multi-year trend would affect negotiations the next time broadcast deals come up.

Personally I've got no problem with players kneeling but I'm saying if the ESPN survey is an accurate reflection of Americans, that is a problem for the NFL.

Funny you mention NCAA Football. Their activism isn't political but they've been fighting for pay and representation for years and people always say "shut up and take your free education". Kinda similar to what some people are saying to the NFL players now.. "shut up and take your millions".

But yea, I get your point, but I'd argue that the survey is probably an accurate reflection but the mass majority of people aren't going to stop watching anyways in the long run.

 

[zinfamous]

The willful ignorant will be the death of this country.

lol @ this from JC.

 

[zinfamous]

You may want to run the numbers again.

let's see them, then. You seem to be well appraised of these "numbers"

 

[zinfamous]

I'm so glad I stopped watching NFL football years ago.

you're the real hero.

 

[dud]

you're the real hero.

So you use these type of posts to pad your post count?

 

[umbrella39]

So you use these type of posts to pad your post count?

Back from the parade already?

 

[zinfamous]

So you use these type of posts to pad your post count?

no

(I use <these type of posts to pad my post count)