Dirk to be named MVP

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Matt2
HAHAHA.

Poor Dirk.

First, Dallas manages to take a 3-0 series lead and lose four games straight in the NBA Finals. Now, Dirk and Co. manage to win 67 games, but lose in the first round to the eight seed.

LOL LOL LOL

I dont think he's ever going to shake the choker rep now.

As a Sacramento Kings fan, this was a great day for me. I hate the Mavericks with a passion. Peja Stojakovic is no longer the worst European playoff performer in history. Congratulations Mr. Nowitzki.

Poor you, you managed to make a complete ass of yourself by not getting your facts straight. I will let you try and figure out where you went wrong.

I'm sorry. They were up 2-0 in the Finals and then lost 4 straight.

My Mistake.

So, you're from Dallas huh? Are you rooting for the Warriors or the Jazz?

Props for recognizing your mistake. Yes, I am from Dallas. And I don't really care anymore. I watch the Cavs (my pic for eastern conf) and I am rooting for the Spurs. It doesn't matter if the Jazz or Warriors win becuase the Spurs will destroy either.

Dirk deserves the MVP, so does Nash. Kobe or Lebron are both good choices as well. I wouldn't be upset if Dirk didn't get it, even if it got announced before the first round bounce.

Not sure what the hell happened, if you watched the regular season the Mavs fought. When I watched the playoffs it was like a whole different team. Part of it is Dirk, but we won in the regular season without him and even when he didn't show up like in the first round.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Matt2
HAHAHA.

Poor Dirk.

First, Dallas manages to take a 3-0 series lead and lose four games straight in the NBA Finals. Now, Dirk and Co. manage to win 67 games, but lose in the first round to the eight seed.

LOL LOL LOL

I dont think he's ever going to shake the choker rep now.

As a Sacramento Kings fan, this was a great day for me. I hate the Mavericks with a passion. Peja Stojakovic is no longer the worst European playoff performer in history. Congratulations Mr. Nowitzki.

Poor you, you managed to make a complete ass of yourself by not getting your facts straight. I will let you try and figure out where you went wrong.

I'm sorry. They were up 2-0 in the Finals and then lost 4 straight.

My Mistake.

So, you're from Dallas huh? Are you rooting for the Warriors or the Jazz?

At least the Mavs have made it to one NBA Finals.

And that has to do with the folly of Dirk being named MVP this year because of ???

Dirk is a good player but he's proved time and time again he folds like a lawn chair when it matters most.

 

[hdeck]

they should wait until playoffs start to do the voting

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: handoverfist

Originally posted by: jjsole
Dirk deserves the MVP this year, not Nash.

I really don't see why he deserves the mvp. He has pretty much the same numbers from last year.

He deserved it as much as anyone last year too.

Nash has much better players around him who two are a couple potential future hall of famers. They can finish, which makes nash look better. They also play defense, which makes nash look better, since he sucks on defense except for the liberal interpretation of the league's blocking calls, where nash can dive under a player who's already jumping and draw a charge. :roll:

 

[gwrober]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Nash > Nowitzki

Agreed.

Thirded? Fourtheded?

Dirk

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: gwrober

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Nash > Nowitzki

Agreed.

Thirded? Fourtheded?

Dirk

LMAO, nice pic!:laugh:

Nash deserved more this year than any year prior. Agree with OP: Boourns!

KT

 

[Patt]

The argument that Nash shouldn't win it because it would be 3 in a row (that Jordan never did) is absolutely crap. Doesn't mean this isn't the reason ... I just hate that argument. History should have nothing to do with the award, it is for the 82 game season, not the last 3 seasons.

 

[Homerboy]

Nash has better stats this season than he did the last 2 he won IIRC. Too lazy to look up the numbers, but I'm pretty sure that's what I heard/read/saw.

 

[Miramonti]

Nash's numbers are up this year and deserves the same thing he's deserved the last 2 years...NOTHING.

(2 erroneous mvp awards aren't a justification for a third)

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: gwrober

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Nash > Nowitzki

Agreed.

Thirded? Fourtheded?

Dirk

ROFL

 

[CptObvious]

MVP voting was completed before the playoffs, so it wasn't a big surprise that he won. I'd say he deserved the MVP for the regular season.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: handoverfist

Originally posted by: jjsole
Dirk deserves the MVP this year, not Nash.

I really don't see why he deserves the mvp. He has pretty much the same numbers from last year.

He deserved it as much as anyone last year too.

Nash has much better players around him who two are a couple potential future hall of famers. They can finish, which makes nash look better. They also play defense, which makes nash look better, since he sucks on defense except for the liberal interpretation of the league's blocking calls, where nash can dive under a player who's already jumping and draw a charge. :roll:

Liberal interpretation?! Oh give me a break! Do you know anything about Basketball? :roll:

Look how small he is! Are you biased enough against him to think that he's the only player who takes charges? What's so wrong about that anyway? It shows guts and poise to get in the way of someone who's a foot taller then you and weighs at least 50 pounds heavier. Dirk doesn't exactly have chopped liver playing with him either. Howard is great, Harris is good and super fast, Dampier is a quality player, Terry is a quality player.. shall I go on? Not to mention he's too much of a pussy to go down low, all he wants to do is post up and take that fade away jumper. And don't get me started on HIS defense, good god.. if it wasn't for his height he would be such a defensive liability, so if anything should be apparent to you by now it's that Nash is courageous and Dirk is soft.

I'm calling BS on the people around Nash being HOF'ers too. Please.. Marion maybe, Amare is too soon to tell, Barbosa has promise but too soon to tell too. Who's left? Bell? No. Diaw? No. J. Rose? No. Kurt Thomas? Ha, no. OK, glad we got that straightened out. They're all good players in this system, but by no means Hall of Fame worthy, especially with no rings.

Nash in the MVP this year, plain and simple, you'd be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. Two erroneous MVPs.. sure. :roll: He has more heart and guts in his bad back then you have in your whole bloodline, you're not making a good case for being more intelligent either.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Patt
The argument that Nash shouldn't win it because it would be 3 in a row (that Jordan never did) is absolutely crap. Doesn't mean this isn't the reason ... I just hate that argument. History should have nothing to do with the award, it is for the 82 game season, not the last 3 seasons.

It affected everyone else, why shouldn't it affect Nash too? Jordan should have won for 5-6 years straight but didn't because the writers like to give various people a shot. Besides, giving Nash 3 mvp's in a row would reflect a lie. 50 years from now people would think that Nash dominated the league, when in reality if there was a draft, he wouldn't go top 5.

Originally posted by: hungfarover

And that has to do with the folly of Dirk being named MVP this year because of ???

Dirk is a good player but he's proved time and time again he folds like a lawn chair when it matters most.

It's a regular season award. Dirk did not fold in the regular season. So the real question is how what happened in the playoffs has anything to do with the regular season MVP. Also, he got his team to the finals last year. If the first round of the playoffs is "when it matters most", then last year he did not fold when it mattered most as he won that series and the next two also. If the argument is that eventually he always fails, then nobody should be getting the mvp.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Patt
The argument that Nash shouldn't win it because it would be 3 in a row (that Jordan never did) is absolutely crap. Doesn't mean this isn't the reason ... I just hate that argument. History should have nothing to do with the award, it is for the 82 game season, not the last 3 seasons.

It affected everyone else, why shouldn't it affect Nash too? Jordan should have won for 5-6 years straight but didn't because the writers like to give various people a shot. Besides, giving Nash 3 mvp's in a row would reflect a lie. 50 years from now people would think that Nash dominated the league, when in reality if there was a draft, he wouldn't go top 5.

It affected who else? What are you trying to argue here? Do you speak for the Basketball writers with intimate knowledge on how they vote for the past 20 years? This is the weakest argument anyone in this position can come up with, the old "how will future generations look at this" debate. Here's the answer: WHO CARES?! It isn't about that, it's not about making sure everyone gets a chance to with the award, it's not about giving it to best player on the most successful regular season team, it's not about making sure someone who has a chance to win it for the 3rd time in a row is actually worthy of it one more time. If the writers who vote for the MVP take into consideration OTHER seasons and previous winners, then they should be striped on their vote on the spot because it's circumventing the responsibility they have to rate a player based on his performance and value to a team during that years regular season. Has NOTHING to do with him winning it the last 2 years because that's not part of the criteria for the award.

 

[wyvrn]

Maybe he shouldn't have won the MVP, which is very debatable. He had a great playoffs last year against SA and the Suns, and led his team to a great record this year. I don't think you can put the playoff failure all on his shoulders. There are 4 other guys on the court. And you have to think that Nelson outcoached Avery Johnson, who is in his second year of head coaching ever. He started in the pros. So I know people will make this all about Dirk, but I think that's just what the outside fan will think and not one who follows Dallas basketball all the time.

There were a lot of factors for the Mavs failure, and Nowitzki was only one of them. The Mavs need penetration from the point, which I think Devin Harris can provide. But that means trading Terry or making him the sixth man, which is not a bad idea. Stackhouse is getting older and less effective and has said he wouldn't mind being the 7th man, which shows that he sees the writing on the wall. And the Mavs need an inside presence, someone who can score offensively because Dampier and Diop are defensive centers. Nowitzki is never going to be a great post player, he needs that guy who can complement his inside game. Most people in Dallas are thinking Zach Randolf because Portland is a mess and he should be available. I think that's a great idea but he costs a lot. I think the Mavs should go back to putting Nowitzki on the wing where he is most effective. Almost nobody can guard him out there with a couple of exceptions, and the rare time he drives the lane would make him more potent as he was in the past. Dallas has a good team, but they weren't ready this year.

 

[ballmode]

Dirk shouldn't have gotten it

he didnt show good leadership qualities during the gs/dal series

 

[BrokenVisage]

Poll on ESPN.com front page now. Almost 70,000 votes so far and it's pretty much 2-to-1 saying he didn't deserve it. Texas is 50/50.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: handoverfist

Originally posted by: jjsole
Dirk deserves the MVP this year, not Nash.

I really don't see why he deserves the mvp. He has pretty much the same numbers from last year.

He deserved it as much as anyone last year too.

Nash has much better players around him who two are a couple potential future hall of famers. They can finish, which makes nash look better. They also play defense, which makes nash look better, since he sucks on defense except for the liberal interpretation of the league's blocking calls, where nash can dive under a player who's already jumping and draw a charge. :roll:

Liberal interpretation?! Oh give me a break! Do you know anything about Basketball? :roll:

Look how small he is! Are you biased enough against him to think that he's the only player who takes charges? What's so wrong about that anyway? It shows guts and poise to get in the way of someone who's a foot taller then you and weighs at least 50 pounds heavier. Dirk doesn't exactly have chopped liver playing with him either. Howard is great, Harris is good and super fast, Dampier is a quality player, Terry is a quality player.. shall I go on? Not to mention he's too much of a pussy to go down low, all he wants to do is post up and take that fade away jumper. And don't get me started on HIS defense, good god.. if it wasn't for his height he would be such a defensive liability, so if anything should be apparent to you by now it's that Nash is courageous and Dirk is soft.

I'm calling BS on the people around Nash being HOF'ers too. Please.. Marion maybe, Amare is too soon to tell, Barbosa has promise but too soon to tell too. Who's left? Bell? No. Diaw? No. J. Rose? No. Kurt Thomas? Ha, no. OK, glad we got that straightened out. They're all good players in this system, but by no means Hall of Fame worthy, especially with no rings.

Nash in the MVP this year, plain and simple, you'd be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. Two erroneous MVPs.. sure. :roll: He has more heart and guts in his bad back then you have in your whole bloodline, you're not making a good case for being more intelligent either.

Nash (and most other players) rarely takes a hit when he takes a charge, which is proof the calls are BS. Atleast 50% of all calls should be "no calls" imo and the charge call is the biggest farce in basketball right now.

As for Nash's teammates:
Stoudemire - All Nba - probably hof if stays healthy
Marion - 4th in defensive player of the year voting - probably hof
Bell - All Nba defense
Barbosa - 6th man

Please list Novitzki's comparable 'great' supporting cast's accomplishments, other than Stack who's an aging former 6th man of the year. (and feel free to list the assortment of drugs you might have been on when you posted that jibberish as welll.)

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Poll on ESPN.com front page now. Almost 70,000 votes so far and it's pretty much 2-to-1 saying he didn't deserve it. Texas is 50/50.

That's because he sucked against golden state. :roll:

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Maybe he shouldn't have won the MVP, which is very debatable. He had a great playoffs last year against SA and the Suns, and led his team to a great record this year. I don't think you can put the playoff failure all on his shoulders. There are 4 other guys on the court. And you have to think that Nelson outcoached Avery Johnson, who is in his second year of head coaching ever. He started in the pros. So I know people will make this all about Dirk, but I think that's just what the outside fan will think and not one who follows Dallas basketball all the time.

There were a lot of factors for the Mavs failure, and Nowitzki was only one of them. The Mavs need penetration from the point, which I think Devin Harris can provide. But that means trading Terry or making him the sixth man, which is not a bad idea. Stackhouse is getting older and less effective and has said he wouldn't mind being the 7th man, which shows that he sees the writing on the wall. And the Mavs need an inside presence, someone who can score offensively because Dampier and Diop are defensive centers. Nowitzki is never going to be a great post player, he needs that guy who can complement his inside game. Most people in Dallas are thinking Zach Randolf because Portland is a mess and he should be available. I think that's a great idea but he costs a lot. I think the Mavs should go back to putting Nowitzki on the wing where he is most effective. Almost nobody can guard him out there with a couple of exceptions, and the rare time he drives the lane would make him more potent as he was in the past. Dallas has a good team, but they weren't ready this year.

Complete BS.

The MVP of the NBA cannot shoot 2-13 in a game where his team is about to be elminated by the 8 seed.

Dirk is garbage.

/thread

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: ballmode
Dirk shouldn't have gotten it

he didnt show good leadership qualities during the gs/dal series

this MVP award is for the REGULAR SEASON...the votes were already turned in by the time the playoffs started...

So what happened in the playoffs do not matter for this.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Patt
The argument that Nash shouldn't win it because it would be 3 in a row (that Jordan never did) is absolutely crap. Doesn't mean this isn't the reason ... I just hate that argument. History should have nothing to do with the award, it is for the 82 game season, not the last 3 seasons.

It affected everyone else, why shouldn't it affect Nash too? Jordan should have won for 5-6 years straight but didn't because the writers like to give various people a shot. Besides, giving Nash 3 mvp's in a row would reflect a lie. 50 years from now people would think that Nash dominated the league, when in reality if there was a draft, he wouldn't go top 5.

It affected who else? What are you trying to argue here? Do you speak for the Basketball writers with intimate knowledge on how they vote for the past 20 years? This is the weakest argument anyone in this position can come up with, the old "how will future generations look at this" debate. Here's the answer: WHO CARES?! It isn't about that, it's not about making sure everyone gets a chance to with the award, it's not about giving it to best player on the most successful regular season team, it's not about making sure someone who has a chance to win it for the 3rd time in a row is actually worthy of it one more time. If the writers who vote for the MVP take into consideration OTHER seasons and previous winners, then they should be striped on their vote on the spot because it's circumventing the responsibility they have to rate a player based on his performance and value to a team during that years regular season. Has NOTHING to do with him winning it the last 2 years because that's not part of the criteria for the award.

If i'm speaking for the writers of the past, then you're speaking for the writers now. If you're not, then why aren't you just assuming that they voted for the person they thought was the Most Valuable Player, period. I don't see any writers saying, "I thought nash was the mvp, but i voted for Dirk because he was the best player on the best team". So please, exit your high horse.

They always have factored these things in before. If your argument is that they should stop thinking about that stuff just for Nash's sake, then you're living in a dream world. They're not going to go back in time and fire all the writers, and they're not going to do that now. The writers are human, not machines, so all of these things will be taken into account, just as they always have been. It's known and expected that these kinds of things would happen, otherwise they could have fed stats into a computer and let the computer choose your mvp. Nash still wouldn't win by the way.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Maybe he shouldn't have won the MVP, which is very debatable. He had a great playoffs last year against SA and the Suns, and led his team to a great record this year. I don't think you can put the playoff failure all on his shoulders. There are 4 other guys on the court. And you have to think that Nelson outcoached Avery Johnson, who is in his second year of head coaching ever. He started in the pros. So I know people will make this all about Dirk, but I think that's just what the outside fan will think and not one who follows Dallas basketball all the time.

There were a lot of factors for the Mavs failure, and Nowitzki was only one of them. The Mavs need penetration from the point, which I think Devin Harris can provide. But that means trading Terry or making him the sixth man, which is not a bad idea. Stackhouse is getting older and less effective and has said he wouldn't mind being the 7th man, which shows that he sees the writing on the wall. And the Mavs need an inside presence, someone who can score offensively because Dampier and Diop are defensive centers. Nowitzki is never going to be a great post player, he needs that guy who can complement his inside game. Most people in Dallas are thinking Zach Randolf because Portland is a mess and he should be available. I think that's a great idea but he costs a lot. I think the Mavs should go back to putting Nowitzki on the wing where he is most effective. Almost nobody can guard him out there with a couple of exceptions, and the rare time he drives the lane would make him more potent as he was in the past. Dallas has a good team, but they weren't ready this year.

Complete BS.

The MVP of the NBA cannot shoot 2-13 in a game where his team is about to be elminated by the 8 seed.

Dirk is garbage.

/thread

Yes because you say so. And emphatically, I might add! Good show, old boy.

Two points.

The MVP is a regular season award. It has nothing to do with the playoffs. That's a fact. So your point is irrelevant.

Second, he had a bad game. So did the rest of the team. Look at GS now. Stephen Jackson has just about disappeared. It happens. There is a reason the Mavs lost, and you can read them in my post. That does not negate singlehandedly all the great playoff games and series that Dirk has had. You know when Steve Nash was in Dallas playing for Don Nelson, he stunk up the joint in the playoffs against the Kings several years in a row. He came back from that to win consecutive MVPs. He is also playing much better in the playoffs. This has a LOT to do with who is around him, but I will say that Nash has matured quite a bit also. Nowitzki will be back and as good as ever, but one player has never made a team.

 

[Miramonti]

I can give props where props are due...for the first time in Nash's career, he had a solid season that's worthy of MVP consideration.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Maybe he shouldn't have won the MVP, which is very debatable. He had a great playoffs last year against SA and the Suns, and led his team to a great record this year. I don't think you can put the playoff failure all on his shoulders. There are 4 other guys on the court. And you have to think that Nelson outcoached Avery Johnson, who is in his second year of head coaching ever. He started in the pros. So I know people will make this all about Dirk, but I think that's just what the outside fan will think and not one who follows Dallas basketball all the time.

There were a lot of factors for the Mavs failure, and Nowitzki was only one of them. The Mavs need penetration from the point, which I think Devin Harris can provide. But that means trading Terry or making him the sixth man, which is not a bad idea. Stackhouse is getting older and less effective and has said he wouldn't mind being the 7th man, which shows that he sees the writing on the wall. And the Mavs need an inside presence, someone who can score offensively because Dampier and Diop are defensive centers. Nowitzki is never going to be a great post player, he needs that guy who can complement his inside game. Most people in Dallas are thinking Zach Randolf because Portland is a mess and he should be available. I think that's a great idea but he costs a lot. I think the Mavs should go back to putting Nowitzki on the wing where he is most effective. Almost nobody can guard him out there with a couple of exceptions, and the rare time he drives the lane would make him more potent as he was in the past. Dallas has a good team, but they weren't ready this year.

Complete BS.

The MVP of the NBA cannot shoot 2-13 in a game where his team is about to be elminated by the 8 seed.

Dirk is garbage.

/thread

Yes because you say so. And emphatically, I might add! Good show, old boy.

Two points.

The MVP is a regular season award. It has nothing to do with the playoffs. That's a fact. So your point is irrelevant.

Second, he had a bad game. So did the rest of the team. Look at GS now. Stephen Jackson has just about disappeared. It happens. There is a reason the Mavs lost, and you can read them in my post. That does not negate singlehandedly all the great playoff games and series that Dirk has had. You know when Steve Nash was in Dallas playing for Don Nelson, he stunk up the joint in the playoffs against the Kings several years in a row. He came back from that to win consecutive MVPs. He is also playing much better in the playoffs. This has a LOT to do with who is around him, but I will say that Nash has matured quite a bit also. Nowitzki will be back and as good as ever, but one player has never made a team.

If it is really a regular season award, then Kobe should have gotten it. Not Dirk.

I bet Dallas wishes they wouldnt have handed Golden State their playoff birth by playing their JV team against GS late in the season and then playing their starters against the Clippers.