Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: handoverfist
I really don't see why he deserves the mvp. He has pretty much the same numbers from last year.Originally posted by: jjsole
Dirk deserves the MVP this year, not Nash.
He deserved it as much as anyone last year too.
Nash has much better players around him who two are a couple potential future hall of famers. They can finish, which makes nash look better. They also play defense, which makes nash look better, since he sucks on defense except for the liberal interpretation of the league's blocking calls, where nash can dive under a player who's already jumping and draw a charge. :roll:
Liberal interpretation?! Oh give me a break! Do you know anything about Basketball? :roll:
Look how small he is! Are you biased enough against him to think that he's the only player who takes charges? What's so wrong about that anyway? It shows guts and poise to get in the way of someone who's a foot taller then you and weighs at least 50 pounds heavier. Dirk doesn't exactly have chopped liver playing with him either. Howard is great, Harris is good and super fast, Dampier is a quality player, Terry is a quality player.. shall I go on? Not to mention he's too much of a pussy to go down low, all he wants to do is post up and take that fade away jumper. And don't get me started on HIS defense, good god.. if it wasn't for his height he would be such a defensive liability, so if anything should be apparent to you by now it's that Nash is courageous and Dirk is soft.
I'm calling BS on the people around Nash being HOF'ers too. Please.. Marion maybe, Amare is too soon to tell, Barbosa has promise but too soon to tell too. Who's left? Bell? No. Diaw? No. J. Rose? No. Kurt Thomas? Ha, no. OK, glad we got that straightened out. They're all good players in this system, but by no means Hall of Fame worthy, especially with no rings.
Nash in the MVP this year, plain and simple, you'd be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. Two erroneous MVPs.. sure. :roll: He has more heart and guts in his bad back then you have in your whole bloodline, you're not making a good case for being more intelligent either.
Nash (and most other players) rarely takes a hit when he takes a charge, which is proof the calls are BS. Atleast 50% of all calls should be "no calls" imo and the charge call is the biggest farce in basketball right now.
As for Nash's teammates:
Stoudemire - All Nba - probably hof if stays healthy
Marion - 4th in defensive player of the year voting - probably hof
Bell - All Nba defense
Barbosa - 6th man
Please list Novitzki's comparable 'great' supporting cast's accomplishments, other than Stack who's an aging former 6th man of the year. (and feel free to list the assortment of drugs you might have been on when you posted that jibberish as welll.)
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
IT IS A REGULAR SEASON AWARD RETARDS
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
IT IS A REGULAR SEASON AWARD RETARDS
Exactly, and in this year's regular season Nash was more valuable to his team then Dirk was to his, it's been that way for the past 3 years.
Originally posted by: kalster
No one is more valuable to their team than Nash, Dirk is just a soft overrated choker
Originally posted by: Matt2
I dont think Dirk is a bad player, I just think he is not MVP worthy. A guy that can't lead a 67 win team past the first round of the playoffs is not worthy of such a prestigious award.
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: kalster
No one is more valuable to their team than Nash, Dirk is just a soft overrated choker
Disagree, Gilbert Arenas and Kobe are more valuable to their teams. Nash is surrounded by quality players.
Coming down off that high must have been a startling crash, lol.Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: handoverfist
I really don't see why he deserves the mvp. He has pretty much the same numbers from last year.Originally posted by: jjsole
Dirk deserves the MVP this year, not Nash.
He deserved it as much as anyone last year too.
Nash has much better players around him who two are a couple potential future hall of famers. They can finish, which makes nash look better. They also play defense, which makes nash look better, since he sucks on defense except for the liberal interpretation of the league's blocking calls, where nash can dive under a player who's already jumping and draw a charge. :roll:
Liberal interpretation?! Oh give me a break! Do you know anything about Basketball? :roll:
Look how small he is! Are you biased enough against him to think that he's the only player who takes charges? What's so wrong about that anyway? It shows guts and poise to get in the way of someone who's a foot taller then you and weighs at least 50 pounds heavier. Dirk doesn't exactly have chopped liver playing with him either. Howard is great, Harris is good and super fast, Dampier is a quality player, Terry is a quality player.. shall I go on? Not to mention he's too much of a pussy to go down low, all he wants to do is post up and take that fade away jumper. And don't get me started on HIS defense, good god.. if it wasn't for his height he would be such a defensive liability, so if anything should be apparent to you by now it's that Nash is courageous and Dirk is soft.
I'm calling BS on the people around Nash being HOF'ers too. Please.. Marion maybe, Amare is too soon to tell, Barbosa has promise but too soon to tell too. Who's left? Bell? No. Diaw? No. J. Rose? No. Kurt Thomas? Ha, no. OK, glad we got that straightened out. They're all good players in this system, but by no means Hall of Fame worthy, especially with no rings.
Nash in the MVP this year, plain and simple, you'd be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. Two erroneous MVPs.. sure. :roll: He has more heart and guts in his bad back then you have in your whole bloodline, you're not making a good case for being more intelligent either.
Nash (and most other players) rarely takes a hit when he takes a charge, which is proof the calls are BS. Atleast 50% of all calls should be "no calls" imo and the charge call is the biggest farce in basketball right now.
As for Nash's teammates:
Stoudemire - All Nba - probably hof if stays healthy
Marion - 4th in defensive player of the year voting - probably hof
Bell - All Nba defense
Barbosa - 6th man
Please list Novitzki's comparable 'great' supporting cast's accomplishments, other than Stack who's an aging former 6th man of the year. (and feel free to list the assortment of drugs you might have been on when you posted that jibberish as welll.)
I agree, there are really good players around Nash, but you said potential-HOF players and that's a far cry from being really good, wouldn't someone who knows how Basketball writers vote know at least that much? This isn't an accomplishment debate either, but obviously Dirk's supporting cast hasn't won anything special, that doesn't mean just because Bell, Barbosa, and Amare did that they're worlds better then Dallas' cast. If you want to start comparing position players on both teams then you'd see that more clearly. At some point you have to throw out how good you think the players on a team are and start looking at how a player like Nash or Dirk makes them better.
Yeah, I'm the one on drugs and typing gibberish while you make outlandish, ridiculous claims that are really just veiled opinions that you try to turn into truths. And please, stop insisting that you know Nash (and most other players) are flopping and getting BS calls when the refs are right there watching him/them get ran into, so you know nothing more about that then people who are inches away from the action and can even HEAR when a player is ran into. Quit being childish and just accept that Nash IS a great player and HAS BEEN a great player instead of trying to smear how well he plays and how good he hustles on the floor.
This isn't the first time he deserved the MVP either, so give me a break with that little smug, asinine, biased comment you just threw into this thread for the heck of being the jaded little turd you are.
Originally posted by: jjsole
Coming down off that high must have been a startling crash, lol.Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
This isn't the first time he deserved the MVP either, so give me a break with that little smug, asinine, biased comment you just threw into this thread for the heck of being the jaded little turd you are.
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Malone gets behind Dirk
NBA great was in Nowitzki's MVP shoes, says he should be proud
02:03 AM CDT on Saturday, May 12, 2007
By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
esefko@dallasnews.com
Everybody is saying this will be an uncomfortable, awkward and downright embarrassing moment for Dirk Nowitzki.
To that, a man who has been through it before says hogwash.
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Moses Malone doesn't remember the particulars of his MVP awards in 1979 and '82. But he will never forget the feeling of accomplishment they gave him, even after getting bounced out of the playoffs in the first round in each of those seasons.
A quarter-century later, he has some good advice for Dirk Nowitzki, who sat twisting in the wind for too long before NBA sources confirmed Friday that he will be named the MVP next week. Malone said Nowitzki should feel a great sense of achievement, no matter how humiliating it was for the Mavericks to lose in the first round of the playoffs.
"He deserves to be the MVP," Malone said from Houston earlier this week. "He had a great year. If he wins it, he deserves it. His team had 67 wins. That's a great season. He shouldn't have any letdown if he wins. It's an honor he deserves, and he should accept the MVP trophy with a lot of pride. He should have no shame, because he earned it."
Malone felt the same way when he won the award with the Houston Rockets. In 1983, he won his third MVP, but that season was different because he led the Philadelphia 76ers to the NBA title.
But just because Malone and the Rockets were first-round casualties in '79 and '82 ? they also made the 1981 Finals, by the way ? it didn't diminish winning the league's highest individual regular-season honor.
Malone pointed to some of this year's MVP candidates who also are already out of the playoffs: Kobe Bryant of the Lakers, Gilbert Arenas of the Wizards and Tracy McGrady of the Rockets.
"It probably could have gone to any of those guys," Malone said. "But Dirk had the best season."
When Malone won his MVPs, things were different in the NBA. There were no elaborate ceremonies built around the MVP's playoff home game so fans could share the moment. The MVP was announced. Reporters made a phone call to get a comment, and that was the end of the celebration.
[Click image for a larger version] FILE 1981/The Associated Press
FILE 1981/The Associated Press
Moses Malone, here battling with the Lakers' Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, was MVP in 1979 and '83. His Rockets lost in the first round of the playoffs in each of those seasons.
For well over a decade, however, the MVP has been announced when the recipient's team was involved in the playoffs.
That will change this season. Nowitzki's season ended more than a week ago, when the Golden State Warriors knocked out the Mavericks, 4-2, in the first round of the playoffs. He had a miserable series, which put a bitter cap on what was a sweet regular season.
"But it's not about the playoffs," Malone said. "Dirk did a great job all season. When you get double- and triple-teamed in the playoffs, it's hard to get off a shot. It's tough when you got guys swarming you all the time. You can't do anything. You can't put the blame on one guy. It's not a one-man team. It's a unit. You win with 12 guys. He did a great job with the Mavs. There's no shame there."
Malone also predicted that Nowitzki will benefit in both the long and short term.
"You understand the way things are and you always want to go deeper into the playoffs and you want to be a champion," Malone said. "But there's a lot of people who win the MVP of the league and aren't champions. He's not the only great athlete who didn't win the title. He'll keep his head high and come back even stronger."
Diop contract option exercised: The Mavericks have picked up the third year on center DeSagana Diop's contract.
Diop averaged 2.3 points, 5.4 rebounds and 1.4 blocks in 18.3 minutes last season. The final season of his original three-year deal is worth about $2.15 million.
He is in line to be an unrestricted free agent after next season.
Stop kidding yourself, Nash is the MVP and none of those guys were ever in the running with a month left in the regular season. Did Nash lose in the first round Moses? He doesn't even mention him once in that article, what a surprise. And about "keeping his head high and coming back stronger next year", that's what all you former player idiot-analysts said LAST YEAR when they got trumped by Miami, so much for that.Malone pointed to some of this year's MVP candidates who also are already out of the playoffs: Kobe Bryant of the Lakers, Gilbert Arenas of the Wizards and Tracy McGrady of the Rockets.
"It probably could have gone to any of those guys," Malone said. "But Dirk had the best season."
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
"If he wins it, he deserves it" Yeah OK, that's quite an in depth analysis Moses
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Malone gets behind Dirk
NBA great was in Nowitzki's MVP shoes, says he should be proud
02:03 AM CDT on Saturday, May 12, 2007
By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
esefko@dallasnews.com
Everybody is saying this will be an uncomfortable, awkward and downright embarrassing moment for Dirk Nowitzki.
To that, a man who has been through it before says hogwash.
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Moses Malone doesn't remember the particulars of his MVP awards in 1979 and '82. But he will never forget the feeling of accomplishment they gave him, even after getting bounced out of the playoffs in the first round in each of those seasons.
A quarter-century later, he has some good advice for Dirk Nowitzki, who sat twisting in the wind for too long before NBA sources confirmed Friday that he will be named the MVP next week. Malone said Nowitzki should feel a great sense of achievement, no matter how humiliating it was for the Mavericks to lose in the first round of the playoffs.
"He deserves to be the MVP," Malone said from Houston earlier this week. "He had a great year. If he wins it, he deserves it. His team had 67 wins. That's a great season. He shouldn't have any letdown if he wins. It's an honor he deserves, and he should accept the MVP trophy with a lot of pride. He should have no shame, because he earned it."
Malone felt the same way when he won the award with the Houston Rockets. In 1983, he won his third MVP, but that season was different because he led the Philadelphia 76ers to the NBA title.
But just because Malone and the Rockets were first-round casualties in '79 and '82 ? they also made the 1981 Finals, by the way ? it didn't diminish winning the league's highest individual regular-season honor.
Malone pointed to some of this year's MVP candidates who also are already out of the playoffs: Kobe Bryant of the Lakers, Gilbert Arenas of the Wizards and Tracy McGrady of the Rockets.
"It probably could have gone to any of those guys," Malone said. "But Dirk had the best season."
When Malone won his MVPs, things were different in the NBA. There were no elaborate ceremonies built around the MVP's playoff home game so fans could share the moment. The MVP was announced. Reporters made a phone call to get a comment, and that was the end of the celebration.
[Click image for a larger version] FILE 1981/The Associated Press
FILE 1981/The Associated Press
Moses Malone, here battling with the Lakers' Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, was MVP in 1979 and '83. His Rockets lost in the first round of the playoffs in each of those seasons.
For well over a decade, however, the MVP has been announced when the recipient's team was involved in the playoffs.
That will change this season. Nowitzki's season ended more than a week ago, when the Golden State Warriors knocked out the Mavericks, 4-2, in the first round of the playoffs. He had a miserable series, which put a bitter cap on what was a sweet regular season.
"But it's not about the playoffs," Malone said. "Dirk did a great job all season. When you get double- and triple-teamed in the playoffs, it's hard to get off a shot. It's tough when you got guys swarming you all the time. You can't do anything. You can't put the blame on one guy. It's not a one-man team. It's a unit. You win with 12 guys. He did a great job with the Mavs. There's no shame there."
Malone also predicted that Nowitzki will benefit in both the long and short term.
"You understand the way things are and you always want to go deeper into the playoffs and you want to be a champion," Malone said. "But there's a lot of people who win the MVP of the league and aren't champions. He's not the only great athlete who didn't win the title. He'll keep his head high and come back even stronger."
Diop contract option exercised: The Mavericks have picked up the third year on center DeSagana Diop's contract.
Diop averaged 2.3 points, 5.4 rebounds and 1.4 blocks in 18.3 minutes last season. The final season of his original three-year deal is worth about $2.15 million.
He is in line to be an unrestricted free agent after next season.
Of course he's gonna back Dirk after being in the same position he was in when he won the award.
"If he wins it, he deserves it" Yeah OK, that's quite an in depth analysis Moses, sure you're not just being sympathetic for a big man who turned into a small statue against an 8 seed?
Bottom line, there's a regular season MVP and a Finals MVP, so what about the other 3 playoff rounds? Round 1 should be an extension of the regular season for ANY 1 seed, it should be a walk in the park, no way Dirk deserves this award after having just 1 game you could say he won for the Mavs in that series.
And wow at this little gem:
Stop kidding yourself, Nash is the MVP and none of those guys were ever in the running with a month left in the regular season. Did Nash lose in the first round Moses? He doesn't even mention him once in that article, what a surprise. And about "keeping his head high and coming back stronger next year", that's what all you former player idiot-analysts said LAST YEAR when they got trumped by Miami, so much for that.Malone pointed to some of this year's MVP candidates who also are already out of the playoffs: Kobe Bryant of the Lakers, Gilbert Arenas of the Wizards and Tracy McGrady of the Rockets.
"It probably could have gone to any of those guys," Malone said. "But Dirk had the best season."
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
"If he wins it, he deserves it" Yeah OK, that's quite an in depth analysis Moses
That's the same bullcr@p line you fanbois have thrown out the last couple years to defend Nash, even tho he can't play half the court, ie half the game worth a sh!t. Now, Nash's stat's are up a tiny bit from last year, and the diatribe is that 'he won two with lesser numbers, so he deserves it this year' which again is the same shovel load.
Do you eat this load of cr@p for breakfast each morning, or are you naturally full of it every day you wake up? I'll put my money generously on the latter.
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
And wow at this little gem:
Stop kidding yourself, Nash is the MVP and none of those guys were ever in the running with a month left in the regular season. Did Nash lose in the first round Moses? He doesn't even mention him once in that article, what a surprise. And about "keeping his head high and coming back stronger next year", that's what all you former player idiot-analysts said LAST YEAR when they got trumped by Miami, so much for that.Malone pointed to some of this year's MVP candidates who also are already out of the playoffs: Kobe Bryant of the Lakers, Gilbert Arenas of the Wizards and Tracy McGrady of the Rockets.
"It probably could have gone to any of those guys," Malone said. "But Dirk had the best season."
I'd take his opinion long before I would yours. You just a guy on the Internet who obviously worships Steve Nash. So what? A lot of people agree that Dirk deserved and he was voted in. Bitch all you want, you cannot take that award away from him now.