Disappointed by the Conroe launch

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HotkeyCC
I agree that the silence means nothing. You never know what AMD has in the works, and they have so much on the backburner that even if conroe does totally kill AMD, it will probably be for a maximum of 6 months before AMD takes its rightful place back on top. I for one am not going to buy into intel's PR and put off my computer purchases, because it doesn't seem worth it to me. I guess we'll just see how this whole thing plays out. The only thing I'm genuinely worried about as an AMD fanboy is AM2. I hope they have a few more improvements than theyre letting us know about, so it will at least be a viable chipset, not just used as a price reduction for 939.

Well, as far as AM2 goes, they have DDR2 support, and oh hey!! A new HSF!!
AMD takes it's "rightful" place? hehe. Methinks that neither company can claim that right.
Intel seems to mean business again, so AMD will surely try and fire back at it's earliest convenience. So the term rightful does not apply. They will one up each other, unless of course we find that Intel is dead set on keeping it's foot on AMD's neck with appropriate pressure. They have always had the resource to do this, it's just the will that was lacking, I think.

Money does'nt equal IP and innovation. Never has. Thousands of upstarts like Microsoft and even intel at one time can tell you that. Besides there are lots of problems and hadicaps with being big.

As far as will gimme a break Intel even pushed defective crashing p3 chips on people to stave off Athlon 1Ghz assault which toms and anand railed on them for. Intel certinly will's it not to be follower but has pretty much failed.. Conroe should address this for awile...maybe they'll get 8 months again.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: HotkeyCC
I agree that the silence means nothing. You never know what AMD has in the works, and they have so much on the backburner that even if conroe does totally kill AMD, it will probably be for a maximum of 6 months before AMD takes its rightful place back on top. I for one am not going to buy into intel's PR and put off my computer purchases, because it doesn't seem worth it to me. I guess we'll just see how this whole thing plays out. The only thing I'm genuinely worried about as an AMD fanboy is AM2. I hope they have a few more improvements than theyre letting us know about, so it will at least be a viable chipset, not just used as a price reduction for 939.

Well, as far as AM2 goes, they have DDR2 support, and oh hey!! A new HSF!!
AMD takes it's "rightful" place? hehe. Methinks that neither company can claim that right.
Intel seems to mean business again, so AMD will surely try and fire back at it's earliest convenience. So the term rightful does not apply. They will one up each other, unless of course we find that Intel is dead set on keeping it's foot on AMD's neck with appropriate pressure. They have always had the resource to do this, it's just the will that was lacking, I think.

Money does'nt equal IP and innovation. Never has. Thousands of upstarts like Microsoft and even intel at one time can tell you that. Besides there are lots of problems and hadicaps with being big.

As far as will gimme a break Intel even pushed defective crashing p3 chips on people to stave off Athlon 1Ghz assault which toms and anand railed on them for. Intel certinly will's it not to be follower but has pretty much failed.. Conroe should address this for awile...maybe they'll get 8 months again.

I think you may have mistook my usage of "resource" as just money. Money is a major part to be sure. But that's not all I meant.

As far as the 1.13GHz chips go, what does that have to do with today? Everyone makes a bad judgement call once in a while. Otherwise it would be a perfect world?
If you keep referring to history, the debates will never cease because there is just too damn much history to call up with thousands of points for each debater to pull out.

Just to voice out loud here what I am thinking, I believe part of the reason Intel released extensive Core information so early and more so than Intel has ever done, could be a bit of satisfaction of retaliation for AMD's law suit against Intel. I figure, by the time AMD gets through all the litigation, Intel wants to make sure than nobody would prefer AMD's products over Intel's even with all the new open doors this lawsuit may create for AMD.

I think we are seeing a new, restructured, determined Intel emerging. Just my opinion.
And I don't want you to think that I am biased in any way. If I ever was in the past, those days are over. I was very close to "AMD'ing it", but decided to wait a bit. I am pleasantly surprised.

 

[Conroe]

I doubt Intel would do this if it was 6 months off; Q3 starts in July. May be sooner becase it looks like it's ready and this hurt Intel's sales too. This may just be to stop AMD from gaining much more. I recall Intel saying "Sooner than you think" at the IDF. I'm hopeing for a April fool's present.

 

[BrownTown]

Conroe comes out in July, probably Woodcrest too. Merom in November (and this is only because of Windows Vista, AMD has absolutley NOTHING to challenge Intel in laptop performance, and with Turions X2s launching at a max clock of only 2G there will still be no competition even when Merom does launch).

I'm not sure why everone here acts like AMD is so secretive, they may nto have put out alot of flashy press releases, but they have roadmaps out threw Q2 2007, thats good enough for me. Sure they aren't very detailed, but K8 is astill gonna be the oly thing AMD has for the next year. They can talk up their 65nm all they want, but it aint gonna be out will Q2 2007 according to their own roadmaps. They will start production late 2006, but it will likely start out in laptops or servers, then migrate to desktops in Q2 when they can get enough production to actually meet demand. There is a big difference between making 65nm chips and having them on the shelves in Bulk. It took Intel like 3 months at least before 65nm made it to the shelves after mas production begain, and AMD has less production fascilities, so it will be even harder for them to get enough production.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Conroe
I doubt Intel would do this if it was 6 months off; Q3 starts in July. May be sooner becase it looks like it's ready and this hurt Intel's sales too. This may just be to stop AMD from gaining much more. I recall Intel saying "Sooner than you think" at the IDF. I'm hopeing for a April fool's present.

nice sn

 

[malvare1]

I still think that test should have been done on nvidia platform

 

[BrownTown]

why? they wanted it to be the most CPU bound it could, and X1900GTX Crossfire was the best graphics solutions out at the time. Plus Nvdia kinda screewed Intel on SLI, so they might be mad about it.

 

[Conroe]

Nvidia said no to sli on the i975x. Why would in Intel show of conroe on a lousie nForce4? Last I looked the top 7800gtx score in 3dmark05 with a Intel chip was on a P5WD2!(must have old or hacked drivers?) So amd suffered A LITTLE, maybe.
Here is one of the reviews with a PCmark05 score,
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=1845&cid=2&pg=1
5605
Here is a FX60 on Nforce score,
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/fx60/pcmark05.htm
5488

 

[jiffylube1024]

Haven't read anything in this thread for awhile, but everyone does realize that Conroe hasn't launched yet, so it's pretty hard to be disappointed by the launch right now. Or is this anticipation of disappointment? Because so far from the leaks it looks pretty solid to me.

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: Fox5
Oh come on, we can hardly still call Conroe an upgraded P3, otherwise Athlon is an upgraded K6.

Actually the jump from the K6 to the K7/Athlon core would be more like the change from the P5/Pentium cores to the P6, since the new cores were basically totally different and new microarchitecture designs.

The correct analogy would be more like:
Conroe is to Upgraded P3 as Athlon 64 is to Upgraded Athlon

Anyways my real point was that Intel obviously did a great job designing the P6 architecture because it's had such impressive lasting power. Obviously I'm not trying to claim that Conroe is just a massively overclocked Pentium Pro-because that would be a ridiculous claim.

 

[Tanclearas]

Originally posted by: kdrp
So if a performance preview qualifies as a paper launch what is this then?


http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/21/a_look_at_amds_socket_am2_platform/

Once again, there is a difference between a site getting engineering samples from undisclosed motherboard manufacturers and getting a fully configured system direct from the CPU manufacturer.

Also, to reiterate the original point of this thread, whether AMD has a "response" to Conroe or not depends on what is permitted as a response. Let's just take a look at what has already happened, and imagine a hypothetical situation.

Intel releases benchmarking figures for Conroe. I think the best way to describe the general reaction is "surprise". Conroe is fast. I think it's faster than anyone was expecting. I suspect most of us were expecting "competitive and likely a little bit faster". Investors were obviously also surprised, and AMD's stock took a hit.

Now, let's look forward to Conroe's shipping date, perhaps even shortly after. If AMD pulls a similar stunt and demonstrates a part that outperforms Conroe by a noticeable amount, what happens to Intel stock? I'm not saying AMD has to have a shipping part. They can just demonstrate a part that will ship in 6 to 8 months (over a year from now).

There are no "winners". At best, we get a nice little sneak peek at what's to come. That's great, but how many of us don't already know there's always something faster around the corner? The two companies will just keep canibalizing each other's sales, and that is not "healthy competition".