Discriminating Against Muslims in Hiring

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lxskllr

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I think the difference is the data behind it you can look at school rankings and say statistically speaking that person will out perform this person, but you can't say this religion will out perform that one.

I'm not talking relative school rankings, though that would be a good cover if someone were to call him on it. I mean a Stanford student stole his girlfriend once, and he won't have anything to do with that school, or it's graduates. It's completely arbitrary, completely legal, and no different than saying I won't hire you because you're Muslim.
 

HAL9000

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In your situation I wouldn't say anything but then again I would value having a job over having my feelings butthurt.

That's understandable, my personal opinion is that I wont compromise my principles for a job, I will either object or withdraw if I'm pressured to.
 

HAL9000

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I'm not talking relative school rankings, though that would be a good cover if someone were to call him on it. I mean a Stanford student stole his girlfriend once, and he won't have anything to do with that school, or it's graduates. It's completely arbitrary, completely legal, and no different than saying I won't hire you because you're Muslim.

True, but I think the issue there would be that prejudice to stanford is not an issue for society as whole, where as racial prejudice is. Although your right, logically they are as arbitrary as each other.
 

Phokus

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You see this is the problem where does it end? If he has an issue that he's prepared to act on with this, what else is he prejudiced to, I say get out before you find out (once you've confirmed your suspicions)

I hate to break it to you and the OP but there's racism almost everywhere you can find work. I've seen it at some of the biggest companies in the world. I imagine it could be even worse at smaller firms where it's harder to move around. The question is how much you're willing to put up with it.
 

amdhunter

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That is the kind of racial bigotry that were trying to address in this thread.

Blame your stupid government for creating hate.
Seriously. It seems like the US Government has to create some form of terror to remind people that it's OK to hate Muslims.

You can't blame people for avoiding them.
 
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HAL9000

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Blame your stupid government for creating hate.

I dont think you can argue that a government or anyone for that matter created a concept like hate, realistically if you want to attribute blame to a massive concept like that then you need to look for the oldest religion you can find... Either Judaism or christianity probably.

Also my government is not the US government.

you can't blame people for ignoring them
yes.. yes.. you can.
 
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HAL9000

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I hate to break it to you and the OP but there's racism almost everywhere you can find work. I've seen it at some of the biggest companies in the world. I imagine it could be even worse at smaller firms where it's harder to move around. The question is how much you're willing to put up with it.

Whilst that's true, if it's being incorperated into corporate policy at said company like it is in this case, then it's more of an issue, than if your co-workers make racist jokes.
 

amdhunter

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I dont think you can argue that a government or anyone for that matter created a concept like hate, realistically if you want to attribute blame to a massive concept like that then you need to look for the oldest religion you can find... Either Judaism or christianity probably.

Also my government is not the US government.

Woops. Sorry. I missed that.

It's sad to say, but hating Muslims is the thing now in the United States. We are being slowly conditioned to believe that they are not people, but walking weapons. We hate the new TSA policies? Blame the Muslims.

People are afraid of them. Why would someone hire someone who will only cause them harm, or become a liability later on?
 

IndyColtsFan

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As bad as that sounds, it makes sense. I think I'll just start looking for another job and if an employer asks during an interview why I left so early I'll just say the company was not in line with my morals and leave it at that, or is that a bad idea?

Do NOT say that to a potential employer! That is one of the worst possible things you can say. Say that you're looking for a company which has advancement potential and leave it at that.
 
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Patranus

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If he is unable to acquire the correct people his business will not sustain itself.
So frankly, if he wants to shoot himself in the foot by not hiring the best person for the job, that is his prerogative.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I've always subscribed to my dad's advice of leaving politics and religion outside of work but now I'm really afraid to mention anything about me being an Atheist.

Why would you mention your religion at work? It is none of their business. You're there to do a job, not to evangelicize your religious choices.

Come on people, this isn't hard. Seriously. Look for another job and leave. Anyone telling you to strongly object or make this an issue at your workplace is, quite frankly, clueless. Idealism doesn't put food on the table, especially in hard economic times. You should find another job and leave it at that if it bothers you so much. The only thing objecting will do is harm you at this stage.
 
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HAL9000

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Do NOT say that to a potential employer! That is one of the worst possible things you an say. Say that you're looking for a company which has advancement potential and leave it at that.

Yeah that's true, you want to say something like "I felt uncomfortable with the racial prejudice that was considered policy in the office"

It's sad to say, but hating Muslims is the thing now in the United States. We are being slowly conditioned to believe that they are not people, but walking weapons. We hate the new TSA policies? Blame the Muslims.

People are afraid of them. Why would someone hire someone who will only cause them harm, or become a liability later on?

Just because some people are beginning to think this kind of moronic racist crap, doesn't mean those of us who think for ourselves should accept it!
 

HAL9000

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Why would you mention your religion at work? It is none of their business. You're there to do a job, not to evangelicize your religious choices.

Come on people, this isn't hard. Seriously.

Yeah that is true, but if your collegues become your friends, then religion is something often discussed among friends and it may come up, but if your just working with people then things like religion don't need to come up.
 

lxskllr

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Yeah that's true, you want to say something like "I felt uncomfortable with the racial prejudice that was considered policy in the office"

Negative. You say some canned BS like Indy said. It's same as when someone asks how you're doing. They don't really care. They're supposed to ask, and you're supposed to say "fine". When they ask you that, they're just weeding out the dummies that don't give a canned answer ;^)
 

Phokus

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Whilst that's true, if it's being incorperated into corporate policy at said company like it is in this case, then it's more of an issue, than if your co-workers make racist jokes.

Funny thing is, i wasn't talking about racist jokes, but racism in terms of hiring/firing/promotions. It's not like it's written in the employee handbook or anything.

At one company where i worked (fortune 500 company), there was this department 2 floors above me that was run by an Indian guy in charge of the audit department.

This was a highly competitive department and there was always lot of opportunities for promotion there. I knew a few people who worked there and knew most of the employees/managers. The Indian guy would promote only 1) Indians and 2) Pretty white females and 3) Some white males. Chinese, Black and plain looking white male/female auditors were at the bottom of the totem pole. And not surprisingly, they did all the work and were WAY more knowledgeable than the idiots he promoted. It was hilariously transparent and just frustrating at the same time because if you work in audit, you actually have to know shit, it's not like sales where it's sort of understandable that being white and good looking would be an advantage in generating revenue for the company (even if it is still racist and 'lookist'). Unfortunatley, I had the misfortune of having to have to work with some of these blithering idiots on some audits since i worked in finance/accounting.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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Yeah that's true, you want to say something like "I felt uncomfortable with the racial prejudice that was considered policy in the office"

This is terrible advice. You NEVER say something like that to a potential employer. Never, ever, ever say anything negative about a previous employer in an interview because it can, and most likely will, kill your chances.
 

HAL9000

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This is terrible advice. You NEVER say something like that to a potential employer. Never, ever, ever say anything negative about a previous employer in an interview because it can, and most likely will, kill your chances.

Really? hmm. OK noted for future reference, In my last interview I told them I resigned from my last job because I was being prejudiced against, I got the job...
 

HAL9000

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This is terrible advice. You NEVER say something like that to a potential employer. Never, ever, ever say anything negative about a previous employer in an interview because it can, and most likely will, kill your chances.

Funny thing is, i wasn't talking about racist jokes, but racism in terms of hiring/firing/promotions. It's not like it's written in the employee handbook or anything.

At one company where i worked (fortune 500 company), there was this department 2 floors above me that was run by an Indian guy in charge of the audit department.

This was a highly competitive department and there was always lot of opportunities for promotion there. I knew a few people who worked there and knew most of the employees/managers. The Indian guy would promote only 1) Indians and 2) Pretty white females and 3) Some white males. Chinese, Black and plain looking white male/female auditors were at the bottom of the totem pole. And not surprisingly, they did all the work and were WAY more knowledgeable than the idiots he promoted. It was hilariously transparent and just frustrating at the same time because if you work in audit, you actually have to know shit, it's not like sales where it's sort of understandable that being white and good looking would be an advantage in generating revenue for the company (even if it is still racist and 'lookist'). Unfortunatley, I had the misfortune of having to have to work with some of these blithering idiots on some audits since i worked in finance/accounting.

That I would have complained about.
 

lxskllr

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Really? hmm. OK noted for future reference, In my last interview I told them I resigned from my last job because I was being prejudiced against, I got the job...

While it would be nice to be completely honest through life, it just isn't possible. Everything needs to be spun according to your audience. Same as when your girl asks if her ass looks big in her new dress. I don't care how big you think her ass looks, there's only 1 correct response ;^)
 

HAL9000

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While it would be nice to be completely honest through life, it just isn't possible. Everything needs to be spun according to your audience. Same as when your girl asks if her ass looks big in her new dress. I don't care how big you think her ass looks, there's only 1 correct response ;^)

Yeah that is definitely true, I have a policy of complete honesty with my fiance and it does not always go down well I have to say.
 

HAL9000

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No he's right, you NEVER portray yourself as someone who has conflict with other people when doing an interview, even when you're in the right.

Yeah I can see the sense in that definately, I guess I'm too honest for my own good in a lot of cases.
 
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