I would to to hear from IDC too..so we either can dismiss AMD viral marketing..or get it confirmed.
Baseless rumours are no good...but viral markeitng is just as bad.
Baseless rumours are no good...but viral markeitng is just as bad.
Did you think this would do anything other than spark a flame-thread, Keys?
Yes, that is what he planned.
Keys promised that if i ever exposed AMD's viral marketing, this site would be the center of the tech world discussions for awhile. He single-handledly created this event. Unreal.
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Get a load of Firestorms post. He thought the thread was meant to crap on 7970. The paranoia over there is INSANE.
I'm curious about these posts from appopin:
No denial from Keys on ABT that the other thread was started just as flame-bait.
Or this from Keys:
Maybe I'll get an infraction, but is it appropriate for a mod on this forum to trash its users on another?
This thread will only end poorly. That link to the forum there being posted in the first place only served to troll members here from a state of absolution over there.
If you read those forums it's clearly a free for all amongst the ten or so active posters where they can rant and diatribe against posters they don't like here. Any of their targets on this forum who read and are exposed to the imbecilic drivel being posted there could misstep and react negatively here to the people posting the madness there and wind up with infractions. Getting trolled through the back door.
As far as the editor, he brought the negative reaction on himself with his paranoid ramblings and while personal attacks are unnecessary, he is wide open to having his posts, articles and reactions picked to pieces.
What credence can be given to a website that posts articles with the clear slant his had and is possessed by an obsession with pure fantasy. I read there he thinks I report back to AMD and am the head of the AMD viral movement here.
Suffice to say my opinions being my own and their integrity being held to my views is something I place great value on and have since I was very young, to the point it is likely an affectation. The last thing I would do is place a governor on being able to express my honest opinion, feeling it necessary to make some case or spread misinformation - all because I have an obligation to shill so I can get tossed a few scraps of hardware yearly.
In short - what before I was mostly certain of, I am now 100% on - ABT is worthless based on the editor's clear detachment from reality and persecution complex in thinking people here are sabotaging him.
OMG.. You are all being so silly. Can't you see what's going on? Appopin is massively trolling the users of THIS forum AND AMD lovers just for reaction. It's pathetic --- a classic example of a spurned lover lashing out for attention. He was snubbed, but he can't let the truth of why he was snubbed be known --- the truth that his site is bordering on irrelevant, and he wasn't worth a review kit.
So, what does he do? He spins it as something else, i.e., AMD viral marketers telling AMD PR bad things about him as the reason why he was snubbed --- See this quote by him:
"And now it appears that some of AMD's shills are feeding back to AMD that somehow i don't like AMD."
Look, his site is nothing special --- it's never even been close to a top 10 hardware review site. And AMD deciding to keep him out of the 7970 launch just proved it. But instead of that being the end of the story, he is beating his drum --- AMD snubbed him because AMD shills fed PR that he doesn't like AMD. He is a victim. He will lead the campaign to expose all AMD shills. "Ra-ra-ra, look at me, anandtech is filled with AMD viral, ra-ra-ra, I am the only one not blind". Give it a rest dude, you are sad.
Nor any confirmation. You might have forgotten to mention that. :thumbsup:
ABT forums' owner himself says Idontcare has the name of the 'AMD viral shills'....I say to Idontcare 'release said names so we can know just like with the Nvidia Focus Group'. Let them put it in their sig,too.
Yes i just read that same line from Apoppin, please clarify this IDC. Also i think threads like this should reside somewhere else, not on Video Forum. Mods please have some common sense and move it from the Video forum but IDC please clarify this for us. Who are the accused ones and why are they allowed to be posting here still after they where identifyed buy you???
apoppin - " i AM badmouthing the AMD shills who are given AMD hardware that live at ATF video; and it has been *confirmed* by Anand's own Administrator, Idontcare. And they are now on an ABT smear campaign because they are completely exposed as viral garbage and dirty liars."
"There was no "if" about it. Idontcare stated unequivocally that some members of the Anandtech forum get their kit free from AMD. He also declined to name names.
Can't you tell who they are? It is pretty obvious who they are."
I would to to hear from IDC too..so we either can dismiss AMD viral marketing..or get it confirmed.
Baseless rumours are no good...but viral markeitng is just as bad.
My position on this topic is unchanged from the last time I discussed it, read here.
I never once characterized those individuals as "shills".
In fact I went to great lengths to highlight the fact that it is because some people can't help themselves but to be ugly about it, to vilify people I know to be good wholesome individuals just because of stuff they do IRL outside these forums, that I absolutely would never disclose anything about them. Period.
And I feel the same way about Keysplayr.
People fall all over themselves in the rush to be nasty, to assume the worst, shoot first and ask questions later. I will have no part in that, for either camp.
Regardless what people do in their real lives, who they work for, how they fund their hobbies...I am not about to start being the judge, jury, and executioner.
To my knowledge none of the people I know of who have anything to do with AMD kit, Nvidia kit, Ford kit, Snapdragon kit, Intel kit, etc etc etc are here in these forums to engage in any kind of organized coordinated "shill" campaign.
That is where my knowledge and apoppin's/keysplayr's position diverge. I don't know that they are wrong, they may well be right, but I am not harboring known "shills" here...however I am definitely not going to "out" people who have committed no crime against this community beyond simply wanting to be an active part of it while their hardware happens to have been acquired by lower-cost means than the rest of us have access to.
(be them Intel employees, AMD employees, Nvidia employees, ASUS employees, Gigabyte employees, CRUCIAL employees, OCZ employees, hardware reviewers, people who get hand-me-down freebies from hardware reviewers, etc etc etc etc)
Take the witch-hunt somewhere else. I know of NO shills here, jsut because a person acquires free kit, subsidized kit, sponsored kit, etc etc, does not make them a shill.
Now then, apoppin and Keysplayr may well know for fact that there are shills here, I can't say that I would be surprised if this turned out to be true, but I am not knowingly giving safe harbor to them if the accusations have merit.
All I needed, thanks for the clarification :thumbsup:
however I am definitely not going to "out" people who have committed no crime against this community beyond simply wanting to be an active part of it while their hardware happens to have been acquired by lower-cost means than the rest of us have access to.
Confirms my suspicions right there and explains 75% of what has become of this subforum.
shill: a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
If I am getting free or half priced hardware, whether or not I admit to getting it super cheap I am sure as hell going to say tons of great stuff about it, if for nothing else, to be thankful for it AND in the hopes of getting more opportunities for free/discounted hardware in the future. If people are getting free or massively discounted hardware from or for a specific vendor without admitting to it then they are a shill in my book.
Usually when accused of something considered 'bad', people who are innocent of such actions defend themselves.
In this case, your lack of denial reads as confirmation.
You also didn't address my second point, the trashing of this forum's users on another.
Glad I'm not the only who saw that. Man, I'm glad I got to read the old Rollo thread. I need more index cards to keep track of the clicks on these tech forums.
Drama!
Confirms my suspicions right there and explains 75% of what has become of this subforum.
No it doesn't...IDC specifically said he doesn't believe anyone is a "shill". By your definition Keysplayr is a shill then?
If someone gets free/subsidized hardware that doesn't automatically make them a shill. It's when they start lying or seriously bending the truth to make their hardware look better (ie. what Rollo was doing?).
Honestly, I think there are still some underlying bad feelings towards the nV camp because of the viral marketing campaign from before. People like Rollo and Wreckage did not help diffuse any anti-nV sentiment there was/is.
If there ARE actual AMD shills on this forum and are making ridiculous positive AMD and negative nV claims (which is vice versa to what some of the nV viral marketers were doing), they will be called out on it.
Are there people making ridiculous claims about how great AMD cards are? I don't see it. People may prefer one brand to the other but until you here someone saying a 5770 is a faster card than a GTX560 or whatever, you can't say they're a shill. If someone likes the hardware they have (whether they paid for it or received it free) they will most likely praise it.