Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: error8
Yes, chizow, in your fantasy land, cloth and more glass particles on the floor it makes the game so much more immersive and better. Oh and let us not forget the hail map in UT3. And again, there is GRAW 1 and 2 that I just have no idea where it had PhysX, since I've seen none with my 8800 GT. Very impressive stuff. Is there any other game that I forgot to include?
Uh, no in my fantasy land hardware accelerated physics are clearly superior compared to software accelerated physics effects. I've already linked some distinct differences with videos comparing cloth effects earlier in this thread. In the games you mentioned, along with retail titles like Mirrors Edge and Cryostasis, the difference is unmistakable between hardware and software PhysX. The same cannot be said between DX10 and DX10.1.
Yes, having a couple of games run faster on dx 10.1 is totally unremarkable
Here we can see 4890 performing faster on dx 10.1, at highest settings, then gtx 285 and that at a much lower price:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com...890-1gb-review-20.html
So once again, what does DX10.1 offer that can't be accomplished in DX10, especially since its been shown Nvidia parts can also benefit from such implementations with FC2. I've already acknowledged marginal performance gains, often at the expense of shoddy implementation, but that doesn't offer anything in the way of features over DX10. This is the great irony of course when certain folks criticize PhysX and its cosmetic eye-candy. They can't even make the same claim for DX10.1, which they inevitably try and draw parallels to!
Ok, I had enough of that, so I don't want to argue it anymore, since it's not going to get anywhere. I'll still keep my point and you'll be keeping yours and from one thing to another, the thread gets locked.
Originally posted by: chizow
Now please, roll out those 8-9 considerations that show Nvidia parts more superior, so that I can troll over them.
Of course you'd be trolling, Nvidia parts are clearly superior:
1) Performance
2) Overclockability
3) Cooling, Temps, Power Draw
4) Warranty, overall build quality
5) Vendor Support and Resources (EVGA ftw)
6) Driver Support (particularly for new titles)
7) Game/software Bundle
8) 1st and 3rd party utilities and driver features
9) CUDA application acceleration (non-PhysX)
1) ATi has a videocard that is able to fight at any performance level with Nvidia's cards, with some minor exceptions: it doesn't have a single GPU card as fast as GTX 285 ( but it has 4850X2 cheaper and faster for that) and again is loosing the battle at the very highest level, GTX 295 being faster then 4870X2. At any other level, they're about equal.
2) Debatable. Some ATi cards overclock like shit others overclock nice. It's the same in Nvidia's garden.
3) Yes, at idle, Nvidia wins hands down. At load, the battle is tighter. At cooling, come on, you know that ATi has cards with aftermarket coolers, just like Nvidia does. 4870 has a nice beefy "cold" cooler. 4850 stock one, had some issues, but so was the 8800 GT in the beginning . You can't generalize here. Both companies had some problems at cooling at some point. There is no way I see Nvidia's cards cooler. Quieter, I don't think so. Fans are tweakable and everyone can reach their desired silence/performance level.
4) Warranty, I can't speak about that as I don't know. Overall build quality? Nvidia has better build cards? How is that? Prove it!
5) Agreed. Ati doesn't have a vendor like EVGA and so, no step up, which is great indeed.
6) Usually the problems that came out in the last games, have been "repaired" with newer catalysts versions, except FarCry 2, that ATi ignored and I hate them for that.
7) Ati has games in their card's boxes too. I thought you knew that. Software bundle, I have no idea, since I never look on the DVDs that come with my cards. PowerDVD is not a criteria when buying a videocard, though.
8) Huh?Where is the Nvidia's superiority here?
9) Agreed. Nvidia wins here, but F@H works on ATi's gpus too, although slower.
Frankly, I don't see a Nvidia superiority from your 9 points. I agree that it has it's good features that ATi lacks, but as long as I don't care about idle power consumption, CUDA, don't have money for the best card on the market, I can buy myself an ATI card. Nvidia's superiority doesn't stop me.