Discussion of suppressors/silencers.

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cytg111

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Obviously there's been a lot of discussion of bump fire stocks since the Vegas shooting, I've also read erroneous facts regarding suppressors aka silencers. Hillary stated how much worse Vegas would have been if he had silencers on the rifles, she waited a whole 2 hours into Monday morning to unleash this, ultra classy. I'm a firearms enthusiast and shoot a lot of sanctioned bullseye pistol matches, I'm not an expert on all things firearms but it drives me nuts to see false statements from people that have the supposed IQ to know better.

First off the average 5.56/.223rem shot from an AR15 is roughly 165db,,, VERY loud and painful if shot with no ear protection. WITH a suppressor the db level drops to a balmy 135db which is still still uncomfortable and damaging just not as bad as unsuppressed.

I've target shot long range several time with guys owning suppressed rifles, 243AI and 260 Remington to be exact, sitting next to them I still wore ear protection as it is still uncomfortable just not deafening as unsuppressed. This is why you hear about silencers being promoted for hunters. Hunters want their senses sharp to hear animals walking ect. but are then subjected to possibly damaging db levels from often large bore rifles.

Hollywood has done a lot to vilify the silencer often making the noise all but disappear in action scenes. In the case of 3000+ fps rifle cartridges this is false as I explained above, the noise is still loud to the point of being damaging. Fact is most high power rifles are mach 2-3, a large percentage of the report of a firearm comes from the miniature sonic boom of the projectile, the silencer only reduces the noise from gasses escaping the muzzle rapidly. The exception to this comes from subsonic ammunition such as 22lr. There are also some calibers such as 300blk which is a "wildcat" version of the 5.56/
223 that allows a 30 caliber bullet to be shot from a trimmed 5.56/.223 cartridge, there are special loadings (often hand loaded by enthusiasts) of 300blk with slow heavy bullets that remain subsonic, these get to Hollywood noise levels and are still quite deadly, YouTube should give you plenty of examples.

So there are the basic facts, yes a pistol or rifle with silencer can achieve Hollywood quite levels but the majority aren't. People buy them for novelty, hearing protection and in long range shooting there is evidence that they increase accuracy due to less turbulence while the bullet exits the barrel. As with anything they can be used by criminals to pull off mafia style hits, fact is they aren't 99.9999% of the time hence the push by some to lift the NFA regulations on them.

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I am not super versed in suppressors either but a suppressor combined with a heavier subsonic round ... I think that is what she is getting at.
 

zanemoseley

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You should watch the video so you can know what it will be like for your future victims when you get silencers legalized and you can put one on your bump-stocked AR15 w/ extended magazine. I posted it above for you.

You are definitely right that you can hear the shots. They don't sound like normal gunshots, but that's the point, right? Right.
Also genius silencers already are legal but regulated under NFA so there is a bunch of red tape, $200 fee and roughly 6 months of waiting to get one.

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zanemoseley

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Another story some of you may be interested in. I've shot long range 600 yard F class target shooting with my buddy at another guy's farm. F class requires marking each shot for score and location to allow the shooter to make adjustments. Before we got a target camera system we would have the scorer park an ATV about 100 to the side of the target then drive over to score and mark each shot.

My buddy shoots a .260 Remington with a very nice suppressor costing roughly $1000. At 600 yards which is roughly twice the distance as the Vegas shooting I could EASILY hear the shot due to the sonic crack.

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zanemoseley

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Another note about hearing protection, I wear a ton of it. When shooting bullseye pistol with .45 ACP target pistols almost everyone doubles up, ear plugs and muffs to limit the distraction and flinch inducing report. I recently picked up some 3M brand large muffs, they are 31db reduction and look like something you would wear on a flight deck, the gun is still plenty loud with these and ear plugs.

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IEC

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does that offend baby?

tell it to the dead you fuckwit.

Look up how many crimes were committed with Title II firearms since the NFA was passed. Then realize you are an idiot.
 
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fskimospy

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Well I agree with your post in that I think everyone who buys a handgun or non-hunting rifle should get a silencer too.

I would just point out that the "point" of a silencer is not to make the report "silent" or to protect your ears, it is to mask the sound of the gunshot as something else. If you'd like, I can post a video that shows this... there is a video of IRCG (Iran Revolutionary Guard Quds Force) using silencers while attacking an Iraqi militia. From the perspective of the militia, you cannot tell that they are gunshots at all. It totally makes the report unrecognizable (and thus, stealth).

That is the "point" of a silencer. Not to protect your ears.

Otherwise, great post!

Silencers don’t make gunshots sound like something else, they make them sound like quieter gunshots.
 
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IEC

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LOL, snowflakes. Buy some earplugs, idiot.

Earplugs alone and earmuffs alone are inadequate to prevent hearing damage. I see this all the time in occupational exposures (e.g. military) as well as your average civilian who uses just one mode of hearing protection.

You really need to use both earplugs AND a set of electronic earmuffs (to amplify external sounds, so you can hear RSOs, etc.), and even then you will have issues with certain calibers when using muzzle brakes.

But please, continue to demonstrate your ignorance.
 

mdram

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wait! a suppressor wont make a 50bmg quieter than a gnat fart?
hollywood has been lying?
 

JSt0rm

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Hollywood isn’t lying. They use silencers as a plot device to get around somebody hearing gunshots. They are in the biz of telling stories. Not being accurate about guns. Still we do try to get some things right.
 
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J.Wilkins

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Again, that is a 70% reduction of noise and coupled with loud music in a concert venue it's basically as silent as a fucking dove landing on a tin roof.
 

J.Wilkins

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recoil reduction and accuracy. Virtually every hunter I know uses suppression.

No, it most certainly does not increase accuracy nor does it reduce recoil, a suppressor will do both but a silencer decreases accuracy by quite a bit since the gasses are tilting the bullet within the silencer.

It's a fairly well known problem with silencers, the gasses expand around the bullet since the suppressor has a bigger diameter than the rifled barrel and a reason why there is no threading on any proper hunting rifle to attach a silencer.
 

mect

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It would seem that silencers are the least of America's problems when it comes to firearms.
 
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J.Wilkins

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Also hearing your surroundings better. Yes you can use electronic muffs but then you're stuck wearing muffs for hours.

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That's also bullshit, you were arguing earlier that it doesn't reduce the noise to a degree where you can do without the plugs and now you are saying that you don't need the plugs if you have a silencer.

You're arguing through both sides of your mouth and you are wrong on both counts. First of all, no actual hunter would put a silencer on his rifle since the difference in accuracy over distance is a problem and second, you either still need or don't need plugs depending on the rifle and the silencer.
 

J.Wilkins

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It would seem that silencers are the least of America's problems when it comes to firearms.

Sure, but imagine if the LV shooter had had a silencer, how much longer could he have kept up firing without the crowd dispersing the area?

The question is, why would it be needed for anyone? The answer is, it's not.
 

mdram

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Sure, but imagine if the LV shooter had had a silencer, how much longer could he have kept up firing without the crowd dispersing the area?

The question is, why would it be needed for anyone? The answer is, it's not.

they why are they so easy to get in the uk?
 

mect

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Sure, but imagine if the LV shooter had had a silencer, how much longer could he have kept up firing without the crowd dispersing the area?

The question is, why would it be needed for anyone? The answer is, it's not.
Honestly, I don't think he would have been shooting any longer. The reason someone would need one is to protect hearing, decrease noise pollution, basically the same reasons we try to make things like cars quieter.
 

J.Wilkins

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Honestly, I don't think he would have been shooting any longer. The reason someone would need one is to protect hearing, decrease noise pollution, basically the same reasons we try to make things like cars quieter.

I do believe that he could have fired for a LOT longer before a crowd of 22K got dispersed if he had the means to silence his gun.

The OP states that you still need plugs so according to him and most others it won't help protect your hearing.

To me the decreased accuracy it brings makes it a horrid choice for anything but fox hunting.
 
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