Discussion of suppressors/silencers.

[cytg111]

No, it most certainly does not increase accuracy nor does it reduce recoil, a suppressor will do both but a silencer decreases accuracy by quite a bit since the gasses are tilting the bullet within the silencer.

It's a fairly well known problem with silencers, the gasses expand around the bullet since the suppressor has a bigger diameter than the rifled barrel and a reason why there is no threading on any proper hunting rifle to attach a silencer.

I need a lecture on the difference between a silencer and a suppressor... apparently...

 

[mdram]

Because you have made up that they are which isn't true in the least?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/dean-weingarten/englishman-asks-u-s-suppressor-law/

http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/uklicensing.htm

 

[cytg111]

.... First of all, no actual hunter would put a silencer on his rifle since the difference in accuracy over distance is a problem and second, you either still need or don't need plugs depending on the rifle and the silencer.

You are a hunter right? Do you hunt alone? For decades? And dont keep up with the news / trends?

 

[J.Wilkins]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/dean-weingarten/englishman-asks-u-s-suppressor-law/

http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/uklicensing.htm

Oh I'm aware of the laws, the point would be that unless you have a licence to hunt on actual hunting grounds from the owner or if you own the grounds yourself then you won't have a licence to own the rifle and for most rifles you cannot have a suppressor, you'll need to own specific firearms that are suited for a supressor (they need the threading on the barrel or you can't fit one) and those kinds of firearms are restricted to a very small subset of hunters.

In essence, very few can even have the gun but those who can have a gun for that type of hunting are usually allowed to have the silencer as well.

Don't be a retard by playing pretend that you don't understand the simplest of things.

 

[mdram]

Oh I'm aware of the laws, the point would be that unless you have a licence to hunt on actual hunting grounds from the owner or if you own the grounds yourself then you won't have a licence to own the rifle and for most rifles you cannot have a suppressor, you'll need to own specific firearms that are suited for a supressor (they need the threading on the barrel or you can't fit one) and those kinds of firearms are restricted to a very small subset of hunters.

In essence, very few can even have the gun but those who can have a gun for that type of hunting are usually allowed to have the silencer as well.

Don't be a retard by playing pretend that you don't understand the simplest of things.

any barrel can be threaded.
from what i have read/seen/gathered many people own firearms there that do not hunt, just target shoot.

 

[J.Wilkins]

You are a hunter right? Do you hunt alone? For decades? And dont keep up with the news / trends?

Yup, have my own grounds but I've been hunting for all my life and in no case have I thought "you know what would be great, decreasing accuracy while being more silent".

You said it would increase accuracy and you are so very, very wrong.

I've shot silenced rifles too and even in the case where the gun is actually factory stripped with a silenced barrel it's not suited for target shooting or hunting.

Tell me a situation where decreasing accuracy while decreasing noise would help you in your hunting.

 

[J.Wilkins]

any barrel can be threaded.
from what i have read/seen/gathered many people own firearms there that do not hunt, just target shoot.

You are not allowed to change your barrel in the UK by threading it for a silencer or suppressor. Doing so would invalidate your license and strip you of your firearm.

You just don't have a fucking clue but you can't stop talking.

 

[mdram]

i do know that there are hog hunters in the south that like using suppressor.
it allows for quicker follow up shows when controlling the population (way too many of them)

 

[mect]

I do believe that he could have fired for a LOT longer before a crowd of 22K got dispersed if he had the means to silence his gun.

The OP states that you still need plugs so according to him and most others it won't help protect your hearing.

To me the decreased accuracy it brings makes it a horrid choice for anything but fox hunting.

So you acknowledge that you still need ear plugs to prevent hearing damage, but the crowd would have taken a lot longer to recognize a gun was being fired? Sorry if this makes me really question your judgement.

In terms of protecting your hearing, you do realize there are degrees of damaging, right? Yes, you still typically need earplugs to prevent damage to hearing (depending on exactly what you're shooting), but if you don't use hearing protection, the damage will be far less significant. Pretty much no one hunts with ear protection (at least no one I've met) as its important to be able to hear. And most modern silencers don't negatively affect accuracy.

 

[mdram]

You are not allowed to change your barrel in the UK by threading it for a silencer or suppressor. Doing so would invalidate your license and strip you of your firearm.

You just don't have a fucking clue but you can't stop talking.

better call the yard then
http://www.jrfirearms.co.uk/barrel-screw-cutting.html

 

[zanemoseley]

That's also bullshit, you were arguing earlier that it doesn't reduce the noise to a degree where you can do without the plugs and now you are saying that you don't need the plugs if you have a silencer.

You're arguing through both sides of your mouth and you are wrong on both counts. First of all, no actual hunter would put a silencer on his rifle since the difference in accuracy over distance is a problem and second, you either still need or don't need plugs depending on the rifle and the silencer.

There is no difference in a silencer and suppressor, different terms for the same device. Suppressor is the more technical term, silencer being more Hollywood speak.

I'm not talking out both sides of my mouth. There is a big difference in no using ear protection while shooting a suppressed rifle over and over target shooting and shooting once while hunting. Same reason you can get by shooting a rifle once unsuppressed while hunting, try 100 rounds a day target shooting and see how long it takes till you're deaf. And a lot more rifles are being produced every day with threaded barrels being optional, gunsmiths can also easily thread a barrel.

I'll ask you the same question as the other guy, have you ever witnessed a 5.56 or other high velocity rifle cartridge both suppressed and unsuppressed? If not you're just parroting "facts" you've read about on the internet, and YouTube videos don't count.

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[cytg111]

Yup, have my own grounds but I've been hunting for all my life and in no case have I thought "you know what would be great, decreasing accuracy while being more silent".

You said it would increase accuracy and you are so very, very wrong.

I've shot silenced rifles too and even in the case where the gun is actually factory stripped with a silenced barrel it's not suited for target shooting or hunting.

Tell me a situation where decreasing accuracy while decreasing noise would help you in your hunting.

Disclaimer, I dont have my license yet but, but I do spend alot of time around ppl who do hunt. They are all suppressed, why? Quality of the shot they say, stability and recoil(as newtonian logic will have it the same amount of force is present but perhaps over a longer time interval?). Google it, is all I can say. And to my mind there is no difference to a suppressor and a silencer if that clears something up for you? You obviously wouldnt want to degrade your shot.

 

[J.Wilkins]

better call the yard then
http://www.jrfirearms.co.uk/barrel-screw-cutting.html

You know what? I give up, I'm trying to teach you how you are not allowed to have certain firearms without the proper licence and you are ignoring every single thing I'm saying.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Disclaimer, I dont have my license yet but, but I do spend alot of time around ppl who do hunt. They are all suppressed, why? Quality of the shot they say, stability and recoil(as newtonian logic will have it the same amount of force is present but perhaps over a longer time interval?). Google it, is all I can say. And to my mind there is no difference to a suppressor and a silencer if that clears something up for you? You obviously wouldnt want to degrade your shot.

A flash suppressor is NOT the same as a silencer.

I should have seen that earlier, what you said is true for a flash suppressor but a silencer is another matter entirely. A silencer does not reduce recoil and decreases accuracy.

 

[mdram]

You know what? I give up, I'm trying to teach you how you are not allowed to have certain firearms without the proper licence and you are ignoring every single thing I'm saying.

i understand the license, but im telling you its easier to get than it is here

 

[SlowSpyder]

Suppressors are great for anyone that shoots. Guns are LOUD. Especially if you go to an indoor range. Even with ear protection they are still loud to the point it can become a burden. There are good, real world practical reasons for shooters to have access to suppressors. I joined the NRA exactly for things like this, to protect my right from over zealous gun grabber types that would see this kind of common sense item restricted.

 

[zanemoseley]

A flash suppressor is NOT the same as a silencer.

I should have seen that earlier, what you said is true for a flash suppressor but a silencer is another matter entirely. A silencer does not reduce recoil and decreases accuracy.

Are you calling a flash hider (like a 3 prong or birdcage style) a flash suppressor? Never heard anyone call it a suppressor.

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[mdram]

A flash suppressor is NOT the same as a silencer.

I should have seen that earlier, what you said is true for a flash suppressor but a silencer is another matter entirely. A silencer does not reduce recoil and decreases accuracy.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/gear-reviews/suppressors-what-you-need-to-know/
Modern suppressors allow the use of full-power ammunition, do not reduce the muzzle velocity, do not contact the bullet during flight, and often aid accuracy. On high-power rifles, a suppressor acts like a muzzle brake and reduces recoil, and of course, the “ka-BOOM” report of the shot is reduced 25-30 dB, yielding a sound not unlike high-pressure gas escaping from an air hose being disconnected.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Not something I usually do, but i'm going to have to report this post. I cannot have you making false accusations that I am planning some type of violent attack.

If I was planning an attack this is exactly what I would say.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Are you calling a flash hider (like a 3 prong or birdcage style) a flash suppressor? Never heard anyone call it a suppressor.

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I'm English, that might explain why the term is different? I've never heard it called a "silencer" and it makes absolutely no sense to call it that.

 

[J.Wilkins]

i understand the license, but im telling you its easier to get than it is here

And you are wrong. You can't even get the gun without the proper licence you fucking maroon.

You can get the silencer if you do have that though, compared to the US where anyone can apply for it and almost certainly get one without having any licence what so ever that is not easier and no one in their right mind would argue that it is.

 

[zanemoseley]

Also you are wrong on silencers/suppressors degrading accuracy. I shot with a guy with a pair of custom target rifles, $8-10k each, both had suppressors. He is a serious competitor and easily made hits on 3" targets at 600 yards. Accuracy gains are debatable but when used correctly at the least do not degrade accuracy.

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[mdram]

And you are wrong. You can't even get the gun without the proper licence you fucking maroon.

You can get the silencer if you do have that though, compared to the US where anyone can apply for it and almost certainly get one without having any licence what so ever that is not easier and no one in their right mind would argue that it is.

getting a suppressor in the use is a long expensive process
suppressor - 500 or more
tax stamp - 200
wait - 6months + ( a year is not unheard of)
you must apply to the atf, go through all sorts of checks.
you cant travel with it without paperwork, ect
much more difficult o obtain here

 

[rommelrommel]

No, it most certainly does not increase accuracy nor does it reduce recoil, a suppressor will do both but a silencer decreases accuracy by quite a bit since the gasses are tilting the bullet within the silencer.

It's a fairly well known problem with silencers, the gasses expand around the bullet since the suppressor has a bigger diameter than the rifled barrel and a reason why there is no threading on any proper hunting rifle to attach a silencer.

Suppressors/silencers absolutely reduce recoil. That can aide shooter accuracy.

Flash hiders do not increase accuracy or reduce recoil any measurable amount.

Your assertions are bull, if suppressors contributed to poor accuracy you wouldn’t see half of the guys on the PRS tour running them.

 

[XMan]

There is no difference in a silencer and suppressor, different terms for the same device. Suppressor is the more technical term, silencer being more Hollywood speak.

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Fun history fact - "Silencer" was the brand name of the first suppressor, invented by Hiram Maxim, who also invented the automobile muffler. In terms of technology they are basically the same, and Maxim used to market his suppressors as 'gun mufflers.'

They are a health and safety item, and in many other countries regarded as the only polite way to shoot.

Also . . .

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/oct/07/spokane-police-will-add-suppressors-to-rifles-citi/#/0