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J.Wilkins

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Suppressors/silencers absolutely reduce recoil. That can aide shooter accuracy.

Flash hiders do not increase accuracy or reduce recoil any measurable amount.

Your assertions are bull, if suppressors contributed to poor accuracy you wouldn’t see half of the guys on the PRS tour running them.

That is absolutely false.

In a silencer you get expanding gasses that were behind the bullet expanding faster than the bullet which creates a pressure around the bullet which affect bullet trajectory after the rifling is done, to do this properly you have to use an external expansion chamber and there are such silencers but they are not available for civilians at all. In short, a silencer ALWAYS affects accuracy negatively.

It cannot supress recoil since it sustains the gasses, if anything it can increase recoil but actually it doesn't do anything at all.

Now a flash supressor increases accuracy by diverting the propulsion gases out of the way after the rifling, this gives the bullet a higher level of stability since it's not acting on the bullet as it is leaving the barrel and since the gasses are directed it relieves a bit of the recoil too.

So not one right, every single thing wrong and you don't have a fucking clue what you are trying to have a discussion on.

http://www.recoilweb.com/preview-flash-suppressors-muzzle-brakes-compensators-tip-barrel-5927.html

Now shut the fuck up.
 

J.Wilkins

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I think we ran him off.

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Is that the point of this bullshit, to run off dissenting views instead of actually reviewing information and learning?

If so my effort is wasted here, you are a bunch of morons that prefer to stay morons while having morons agree.
 

mdram

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Is that the point of this bullshit, to run off dissenting views instead of actually reviewing information and learning?

If so my effort is wasted here, you are a bunch of morons that prefer to stay morons while having morons agree.

take advantage of the uk healthcare system, see someone about your anger issues, please
 

J.Wilkins

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take advantage of the uk healthcare system, see someone about your anger issues, please

I'm perfectly calm, kid.

You should see someone about your mental issues though, it appears that you have very low intelligence coupled with a severe case of faggotry.

Homosexual slurs are not acceptable here.

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Smoblikat

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Is that the point of this bullshit, to run off dissenting views instead of actually reviewing information and learning?

If so my effort is wasted here, you are a bunch of morons that prefer to stay morons while having morons agree.

Haha, your join date is from this year, if you expected anything else, youre in for continuous disappointment. Things devolve near instantly in P&N, and you would do well to remember this is an extremely liberal board.
 

J.Wilkins

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Haha, your join date is from this year, if you expected anything else, youre in for continuous disappointment. Things devolve near instantly in P&N, and you would do well to remember this is an extremely liberal board.

I'm extremely liberal and so is anyone who is for a free market and individual rights. There are about four-five liberals on this board, the rest are authoritarians on either side, aka fascists.
 
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mdram

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free market and individual rights. .

thats actually being conservative

Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve people's problems. ...
CONSERVATIVES – Generally believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty
 
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J.Wilkins

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thats actually being conservative

Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve people's problems. ...
CONSERVATIVES – Generally believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty

Oh look at the precious retard trying to understand the basics.

No, kid, despite what the retards teach their younger retards that is not the case, liberalism is the end all, be all of modern mixed economies like the US, it guarantees a liberal democracy and an open market.

Here is the fucking clue, you mindwarped fucktard, liberalism is to fascism as progressivism is to conservatism.

So, dipshit, a liberal conservative would be someone like Hillary, a progressive fascist would be someone like Trump.

CONSERVATIVES generally suck cock in scout tents...

See, i can make up definitions too.

I'm a Liberal Conservative and you are not fit to spit shine my hamsters shoes.

We have received constant complaints regarding your invective. While allowed up to a point, you cumulatively cross the line. Please read the addendum to Rule #2.

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zanemoseley

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You think a lot of yourself to be acting so childish. You pretend to want to discuss the issue when its convenient to you then degrade into a child when someone doesn't agree with you. Go get a pint and chill the fuck out.

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werepossum

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You're a piece of work. I'm just spreading facts to water down the horse shit I read far to often in the media. Spin it however you like but the facts are the facts. Of course shitty people will use these devices sometimes to assist in evil deeds, that's how the world works.

Also not sure now 135db over 165db really helps poachers, again just spreading info. If you've never sit next to a high power "poaching" caliber rifle suppressed and hear how loud it still is you have no right running your mouth otherwise.

Nighty night trolls.

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I don't particularly oppose suppressors, but I'll tell you how they help poachers. Gunshots - particularly multiple gunshots - are relatively easy for most people to triangulate absent large obstructive/reflective masses like buildings or buttes. Suppressors largely silence the majority of the noise, the escaping gases, which are localized to the gun's muzzle. Supersonic bullets still have that crack, but it's not easily triangulated. Same thing applies (to a much lesser degree) to snipers in urban areas, which is why many special forces weapons are suppressed. It gives vital time to escape the area.

Incidentally thirty-plus years ago I worked for a survivalist who purportedly owned over a thousand long guns. He also designed and manufactured automatic weapons and suppressors, and held multiple Class 3 licenses. I once witnessed him firing a full auto short-barreled rifle or large SMG with subsonic ammo which was so quiet that I could clearly hear the action cycling. I can certainly understand why something with that level of suppression warrants a Class 3 license.
 

shortylickens

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thats actually being conservative

Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve people's problems. ...
CONSERVATIVES – Generally believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty
This is as good a time as any to address this issue.

It's not on the current topic but we need to acknowledge something: The people you keep calling Liberals, are not fucking liberal.
AND
The people you keep calling Conservative are sure as shit not conservative.

NOBODY is following a proper belief system anymore. They are all cherry-picking the issues they wanna deal with and using whatever tactics they can get away with. The Democrats are not liberal. They are opportunists who claim one position and support another.
The fucking Republicans are not conservative. No one who actually knows what Conservative means would ever allow christians to take over and dictate policy.

In fact the easiest way to prove this is to lay out your standard political spectrum, Reactionary on the far right, and Socialist on the far left, and try placing current political figures on it.

You can't do it, can you?

That's because no one in power actually believes in a particular philosophy anymore. They all just do whatever they can get away with and attach a label to it. The labelling is very important, because it tricks ignorant voters into giving them power every 4 years or supporting bills that will eventually hurt the common American. The labels are ultimately meaningless. Just a way to divide people up for easier manipulation.

I think that's why I get so irritated with you guys every day I visit here. (No offense.) Your common tactic is declare someone a member of a particular group, then start attacking that group with vague generalities and you not only end up completely ignoring the issue at hand but also the very person you were supposed to converse with. This is a fucking forum, people! All we're doing is talking. No one here is running for office or brokering deals with the U.N. We talk. Thats it. Then we move on to our real lives.

That stupid, ignorant, son of a whore empartus just did it to me today! I posted a pic of Lindsay Lohan and he immediately assumed I was a Republican and Trump-lover and started attacking me. Attacking me, by the way, with shit that was completely unrelated to the fucking Lindsay/Weinstein situation. It's a little hilarious but also a little sad. He's exactly like that stupid, ignorant, son of a whore in the Oval Office. He doesn't know anything. He thinks he knows everything. He will never make the effort to learn. He'll never understand. He's just gonna spend all day ranting and raving and attacking people who never actually did anything besides ask him for clarification. He's EXACTLY the same as the guy he claims to despise! There is absolutely no way you can possibly deduce if someone is a Republican or Democrat just by seeing their post of Lindsay Lohan with Harvey Weinstein.
The stupid ignorant son of a whore was just angry because he didn't get his afternoon nap and he decided to take it out on me. The proof is that his accusations made no sense and didn't really go anywhere. (Donald has the same issue about mid-afternoon each day, that's why they cut him off from the public).

You guys need to get over your fucking labels. Its not accurate and besides which its not helping anyway. People who call themselves Liberal aren't even liberal. They dont know what that believe system is supposed to involve and they dont care anyway. The people calling themselves Conservative are sure as hell not conservative. They left those values behind decades ago. Its not even a thing anymore. At least not in America.

And Donald just needs to shut the fuck up. He's useless. He couldn't solve a problem if he had the Teachers Edition.
 

Genx87

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thats actually being conservative

Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve people's problems. ...
CONSERVATIVES – Generally believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty

This opinion is seen through the US political system. Outside the US, liberals are for individual rights, opening of markets, relaxing of laws.

Fun fact, listen to Hitlers speeches where he rails against liberals because of their free market and lack of authortarianism.
 

edcoolio

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American Liberals = Progressive Pro-Government Socialists

American Conservatives = Status-Quo Minimal-Government Capitalists
 
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rommelrommel

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That is absolutely false.

In a silencer you get expanding gasses that were behind the bullet expanding faster than the bullet which creates a pressure around the bullet which affect bullet trajectory after the rifling is done, to do this properly you have to use an external expansion chamber and there are such silencers but they are not available for civilians at all. In short, a silencer ALWAYS affects accuracy negatively.

It cannot supress recoil since it sustains the gasses, if anything it can increase recoil but actually it doesn't do anything at all.

Now a flash supressor increases accuracy by diverting the propulsion gases out of the way after the rifling, this gives the bullet a higher level of stability since it's not acting on the bullet as it is leaving the barrel and since the gasses are directed it relieves a bit of the recoil too.

So not one right, every single thing wrong and you don't have a fucking clue what you are trying to have a discussion on.

http://www.recoilweb.com/preview-flash-suppressors-muzzle-brakes-compensators-tip-barrel-5927.html

Now shut the fuck up.

Or what, you’ll toss out some more slurs?

Your article doesn’t speak to any of your assertions.

If flash hiders improved accuracy, everyone would use them to compete yet no one does. Your theory behind why they would sounds like what a guy who knows a little bit would make up to support a rash claim.

Suppressors on the other hand spread out the recoil impulse over more time, the extra weight reduces recoil as well, and people on the PRS circuit have done a lot of testing that indicates that not only do they benefit from less recoil making the gun easier to shoot accurately that also the extra muzzle weight improves accuracy, along with increased muzzle velocity also improving wind drift and drop.

But hey, you managed to google what a muzzle brake is vs a flash hider so I guess you get a participation ribbon.
 

Bulk Beef

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I haven't spent much time around here lately, but in just a couple of days, I have noticed that J.Wilkins has an oddly familiar posting style
 

Genx87

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This is what silencers are used for in real life.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Camp_Ashraf_massacre

http://www.apa-ice.org/images/pdf/KIT-Crimes-Against-Humanity-Final-2-09122013.pdf

NSFW - video (with silencers clearly being used) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6H3TwVecK4

But remember, this is what most gun owners want to do. If there is anything that recent history has shown me, it is that gun owners are murderous assassins just waiting for their chance to ascend the pantheon of shooters and possibly obtain the "high score".


Silencers probably would've helped paddock kill 2x as many people. Is that your eventual goal OP? To beat his high score?

So this sounds like my .22lr STG 44? That sound is most definitely still a gun even if the sound is altered.
 

adairusmc

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getting a suppressor in the use is a long expensive process
suppressor - 500 or more
tax stamp - 200
wait - 6months + ( a year is not unheard of)
you must apply to the atf, go through all sorts of checks.
you cant travel with it without paperwork, ect
much more difficult o obtain here

I own (well, the trust that I set up for NFA purposes owns) several suppressors, and it can be a long process, but it varies. The wait times are coming down now that the 41F surge of paperwork is winding down. I added all of mine to our trust before the rule changes, but had some that were approved just over 30 days. That was a nice surprise.

However, you can travel with them without paperwork, provided the locations to are traveling to allow for suppressor ownership. If you travel with an SBR or machinegun you do need to file an ATF form 5320.20 and get it approved, but that does not apply to suppressors.

They really do help with the hearing protection and are a lot of fun. My 4yo son this past weekend got to shoot my suppressed 300blk SBR, and he had a great time for a little guy only used to shooting his savage rascal .22.
 
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