Originally posted by: Condor
Face it, he told the truth. That is why Bush was reelected. No one trusted a Democrat to be able to do anything except take the buggers to court.
Originally posted by: wiin
Nothing disgusting about what Rove said.
As the RNC put it:
?It?s outrageous that the same Democrats who stood by Dick Durbin?s libeling of our military are now expressing faux outrage over Karl Rove?s statement of historical fact. George Soros, Michael Moore, MoveOn and the hard left were wrong after 9/11, just as it was wrong for Democrat leaders to stand by and remain silent after Dick Durbin made his deplorable comments.?
- RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman
What is disgusting are the following:
Liberal Third Party Groups Urged Restraint, Blamed America:
Immediately After 9/11, MoveOn.Org Petition Urged ?Moderation And Restraint? And Use Of ?International Judicial Institutions.?
?We, The Undersigned, Citizens And Residents Of The United States Of America ? Appeal To The President Of The United States, George W. Bush ? And To All Leaders Internationally To Use Moderation And Restraint In Responding To The Recent Terrorist Attacks Against The United States.? (MoveOn.Org Website, ?MoveOn Peace,? http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
?We Implore The Powers That Be To Use, Wherever Possible, International Judicial Institutions And International Human Rights Law To Bring To Justice Those Responsible For The Attacks, Rather Than The Instruments Of War, Violence Or Destruction.? (MoveOn.Org Website, ?MoveOn Peace,? http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
?[W]e Demand That There Be No Recourse To Nuclear, Chemical Or Biological Weapons, Or Any Weapons Of Indiscriminate Destruction, And Feel That It Is Our Inalienable Human Right To Live In A World Free Of Such Arms.? (MoveOn.Org Website, ?MoveOn Peace,? http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
Just After 9/11, Liberal Filmmaker Michael Moore Derided ?Terror And Bloodshed? Committed By Americans. (David Brooks, Op-Ed, ?All Hail Moore,? The New York Times, 6/26/04)
Just After 9/11, Moore Blamed America?s ?Taxpayer-Funded Terrorism? And Bush Administration For Terrorist Attacks. ?We abhor terrorism ? unless we?re the ones doing the terrorizing. We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me.?Let?s mourn, let?s grieve, and when it?s appropriate let?s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.? (Michael Moore Website Archive, ?Death, Downtown,? Posted 9/12/01, www.michaelmoore.com, Accessed 7/27/04)
Michael Moore Said U.S. Should Not Have Removed Taliban After 9/11. Moore: ?Likewise, to bomb Afghanistan ? I mean, I?ve never understood this, Tim.? (CNBC?s ?Tim Russert,? 10/19/02)
Liberal Donor George Soros Claimed America Should Have Treated 9/11 Attacks As Crime, Responded With Police Work. ?War is a false and misleading metaphor in the context of combating terrorism. Treating the attacks of September 11 as crimes against humanity would have been more appropriate. Crimes require police work, not military action. To protect against terrorism, you need precautionary measures, awareness, and intelligence gathering ? all of which ultimately depend on the support of the populations among which terrorists operate. Imagine for a moment that September 11 had been treated as a crime. We would have pursued Bin Laden in Afghanistan, but we would not have invaded Iraq. Nor would we have our military struggling to perform police work in full combat gear and getting killed in the process.? (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 18)
Soros Said The Execution Of 9/11 Attacks ?Could Not Have Been More Spectacular.? ?Admittedly, the terrorist attack was a historic event in its own right. Hijacking fully loaded airplanes and using them as suicide bombs was an audacious idea, and the execution could not have been more spectacular.? (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 2)
Soros Said War On Terror Had Claimed More Innocent Victims Than 9/11 Attack Itself. ?This is a very tough thing to say, but the fact is, that the war on terror as conducted by this administration, has claimed more innocent victims that the original attack itself.? (George Soros, Remarks At Take Back America Conference, Washington, DC, 6/3/04)
Liberal Democrats Urged Restraint, Blamed America:
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH): ??The Time For Peace Is Now,? [Kucinich] Declared Optimistically July 11, Two Months To The Day Before Terrorists Hit The Pentagon And The World Trade Center. ? Sitting In His Capitol Hill Office Last Week, Near A Window Where He Could See The Smoke Rising From The Pentagon On Sept. 11, Kucinich Insisted He Is More Optimistic Than Ever That People Worldwide Are Ready To Embrace The Cause Of Nonviolence.? (Elizabeth Auster, ?Offer The Hand Of Peace,? [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)
Kucinich: ?Afghanistan May Be An Incubator Of Terrorism But It Doesn?t Follow That We Bomb Afghanistan ?? (Elizabeth Auster, ?Offer The Hand Of Peace,? [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI): ?Only Now Are We Trying To Figure Out What Is Islam. Maybe If There Was A Department Of Peace, They Would Be Able To Say, ?Uh-Oh, We?ve Got Some Problems With These People,? ? I Truly Believe That If We Had A Department Of Peace, We Would Have Seen [9/11] Coming.? (Ethan Wallison, ?War A Challenge For Peace Caucus,? Roll Call, 10/1/01)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): ?I Am Convinced That Military Action Will Not Prevent Further Acts Of International Terrorism Against The United States.? (Eddy Ramirez, ?Calif. Congresswoman Alone In Vote Against War Powers Resolution,? [University Of California-Berkeley] Daily Californian, 9/17/01)
Al Sharpton (D-NY) Said That The Attacks On The World Trade Center Are Evidence That ?America Is Beginning To Reap What It Has Sown.? (Adam Nagourney, ?Say It Loud,? The New York Times, 12/1/02)
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Claimed Osama Bin Laden Could Be Compared To ?Revolutionaries That Helped To Cast Off The British Crown.? ??One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown,? Kaptur told an Ohio newspaper, The (Toledo) Blade.? (Malie Rulon, ?Lawmaker Compares Osama, U.S. Patriots,? The Associated Press, 3/6/03)
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Said The United States Would ?Pay Every Single Hour, Ever Single Day? That Bombs Were Dropped In Afghanistan. ??How much longer does the bombing campaign continue?? Biden asked during an Oct. 22 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. ?We?re going to pay every single hour, every single day it continues.?? (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
?The Bombing Campaign, [Biden] Said, Reinforced Existing Stereotypes Of The United States As A ?High-Tech Bully ??? (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT) Said Osama Bin Laden Not Guilty. Dean: ?I Still Have This Old-Fashioned Notion That Even With People Like Osama, Who Is Very Likely To Be Found Guilty, We Should Do Our Best Not To, In Positions Of Executive Power, Not To Prejudge Jury Trials.? (?Dean Not Ready To Pronounce Osama Bin Laden Guilty,? The Associated Press, 12/26/03)
Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) To High School Students: ?How Would [Muslims] Look At Us Today If We Had Been There Helping Them With Some Of That Rather Than Just Being The People Who Are Going To Bomb In Iraq And Go To Afghanistan? ? War Is Expensive Too ? Your Generation Ought To Be Thinking About Whether We Should Be Better Neighbors Out In Other Countries So That They Have A Different Vision Of Us.? (Gregg Herrington, ?Senator Asks Students To Ponder,? The [Vancouver, WA] Columbian, 12/19/02)
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): ?[W]ar On Terror Is Far Less Of A Military Operation And Far More Of An Intelligence-Gathering, Law-Enforcement Operation.? (The Iowa Brown & Black Coalition Presidential Forum, Des Moines, IA, 1/11/04)
Kerry: ?[W]hat We?ve Learned Is That The War On Terror Is Much More Of An Intelligence Operation And A Law Enforcement Operation.? (NPR?s ?All Things Considered,? 3/19/03)
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Leave it to the corrupt Bush regime to politicize 9/11 right where 3,000 of its victims died.
The tyranny knows no bounds. They can criticize and make others apologize, but it (the Regime) will never concede an apology when they owe it.
Leave it to the corrupt Bush regime to politicize 9/11 right where 3,000 of its victims died.
I am so sick of this "liberal media" whining bull$hit. Ignore the obvious (Fox News), if you watch and read a variety of sources you'll see that it doesn't fvcking exist. Where was the "liberal media" when Powell was sitting in the UN holding up a vial of anthrax? All I remember on the major networks was the same damn sound clip over and over.Originally posted by: irwincur
You have to love the left... I am sure that the media will try their hardest to keep this alive for the next week or two.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I don't know and can't understand how anybody could even COMPARE this statement to Dean's statements. Puhlease..
Where are the WMDs?Originally posted by: CocoMunkee
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Worse than comparing members of the U.S. Military to Nazis or guards at a Soviet gulag?
Right on.:thumbsup: You libs are a joke, havent you been listening to the Dems theses last few months or years. The truth hurts. Live with it.
So the liberal bias doesn't actually exist?Originally posted by: minus1972
I am so sick of this "liberal media" whining bull$hit. Ignore the obvious (Fox News), if you watch and read a variety of sources you'll see that it doesn't fvcking exist. Where was the "liberal media" when Powell was sitting in the UN holding up a vial of anthrax? All I remember on the major networks was the same damn sound clip over and over.Originally posted by: irwincur
You have to love the left... I am sure that the media will try their hardest to keep this alive for the next week or two.
How far up your a$$ does your head have to be to not see what's going on at PBS and NPR right now? They HIRED someone to watch PBS and listen to NPR and report on the supposed "liberal bias" on those stations. And guess what, he was a republican! And guess what else? He's refusing to release his report to the public while at the same time recomending gutting the two stations by cutting the funding! Damn liberals!
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
The news is out there if you know where to look. Everything is subject to bias but the real threat is what isn't being reported.
Dick Durbin evoked Nazi Germany to describe U.S. practices at Guantanamo on Tuesday, June 14, and the Post waited until that Friday before burying a seven-graf squib on A11. As the clamor grew, coverage declined, with nothing for another two days until an even smaller five-graf item ran on A6 that Sunday. The story didn't get any kind of front-page treatment--an A6 story teased on A1-- until Wednesday, June 22, after Durbin made his final Technicolor apology.
Rove made his comments on Wednesday night, normally too late to appear in Thursday's edition, so Democrats' call for Rove to apologize got an express train to the front page today in Democrats Call for Rove To Apologize.
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Without arguing content, Durbin does not have an office three doors down from the President, and I'm willing to guess he doesn't get as much face time as Rove does. In terms of speed, you're talking about a matter of days. The MSM picked up on the Nazi thing as soon as there was outcry in response, and they followed it the whole way through. How many outlets are carrying the crazies calling for Rove to step down?Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
So the liberal bias doesn't actually exist?Originally posted by: minus1972
I am so sick of this "liberal media" whining bull$hit. Ignore the obvious (Fox News), if you watch and read a variety of sources you'll see that it doesn't fvcking exist. Where was the "liberal media" when Powell was sitting in the UN holding up a vial of anthrax? All I remember on the major networks was the same damn sound clip over and over.Originally posted by: irwincur
You have to love the left... I am sure that the media will try their hardest to keep this alive for the next week or two.
How far up your a$$ does your head have to be to not see what's going on at PBS and NPR right now? They HIRED someone to watch PBS and listen to NPR and report on the supposed "liberal bias" on those stations. And guess what, he was a republican! And guess what else? He's refusing to release his report to the public while at the same time recomending gutting the two stations by cutting the funding! Damn liberals!
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
The news is out there if you know where to look. Everything is subject to bias but the real threat is what isn't being reported.
Let's look and see how that bastion of fair and balanced reporting, the centrist New York Times handled the Durbin and Rove stories:
http://www.postwatchblog.com/2005/06/the_political_b.html
Dick Durbin evoked Nazi Germany to describe U.S. practices at Guantanamo on Tuesday, June 14, and the Post waited until that Friday before burying a seven-graf squib on A11. As the clamor grew, coverage declined, with nothing for another two days until an even smaller five-graf item ran on A6 that Sunday. The story didn't get any kind of front-page treatment--an A6 story teased on A1-- until Wednesday, June 22, after Durbin made his final Technicolor apology.
Rove made his comments on Wednesday night, normally too late to appear in Thursday's edition, so Democrats' call for Rove to apologize got an express train to the front page today in Democrats Call for Rove To Apologize.
And Rathergate went on for quite a while before the MSM begrudgingly picked it up. In fact, many of the MSM, including the New York Times (surprise), went on a Rather offensive and began their little snipe hunt on blogs and how they aren't "real" media or news instead, in a poor attempt to discredit those blogs that were reporting on Rathergate.
That's what I'm saying. Instead of following up on the story itself everyone just jumped on Rather.Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Plus, how much time did the Swift Boat veterans get on television, after their stuff was discredited?
The story was followed up on as well. The "story" was hot air and a poor attempt at slandering Bush with no evidence, so they had to invent some.Originally posted by: minus1972
That's what I'm saying. Instead of following up on the story itself everyone just jumped on Rather.Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Yep. Here's how it went down too:Originally posted by: gigapet
I heart karl rove
Democrat congressman Maurice Hinchey, speaking on CNN, persists with the idea that Karl Rove devised the fake Rathergate memos:
It doesn?t take an awful lot of imagination if you?re thinking about who it is that might have produced these false documents to try to mislead people in this very cynical way. It would take someone very brilliant, very cynical, very Machiavellian, and it doesn?t take a lot of imagination to come up with the name of Karl Rove as a possibility of having done that.
Is Karl Rove truly that brilliant? Using contemporaneous reports and several eye-witness sources, this site is able to reconstruct the events of last August at Evil Rove Headquarters, located many miles beneath the earth?s surface:
(Rove enters the Chamber of Destruction and greets his assembled operatives)
Rove: Gentlemen. Ladies. Mr. Gannon. Mr. Murdoch.
(Various responses: ?Hiya!? ?Howdy.? ?G?day.")
Rove: People, you have done good work. You have tirelessly attempted to undermine John Kerry?s bid for the presidency. And yet the latest polling shows that Kerry may still win.
(Murmured complaints: ?Dang!? ?This is soooo not happening.? ?Can?t compete with a Magic Hat.")
Rove: Silence! I cannot tell you how much this disappoints and angers me.
(An assistant appears at Rove?s side with a baseball bat. He is waved away)
Rove: But now is not the time for fault-finding, or skull-crushing. Now is the time for action. Serious action. In fact, the most serious action it is possible for us to undertake.
Murdoch: You don?t mean ... ?
Rove: Yes. It is time for us to deploy the Doomsday Device.
(Several reel from the table in shock; two are ill)
Rove: Mr. Gannon, please fetch the Device. And put some pants on, for God?s sake.
Gannon: Y-yes sir. Right away, Mr. Karl, sir.
(Gannon exits the room; the anxious conspirators listen as the sound of several vaults being sequentially opened echoes throughout the Chamber. Presently Gannon returns, carrying a briefcase)
Rove: Open it.
(Gannon enters the security code?DAILYKOS?and the briefcase springs ajar. Looking away in fear and torment, he nudges the briefcase towards Rove)
Rove: And now it is time. Time to unveil our most hideous, most perfect plan. (Rove grips the briefcase with both hands) Do you people truly know of the evil that man can attain? Do you know of the Dark Lord?s majesty? Do you know of a terror so sublime that any lesser atrocity?Salem; the Holocaust; our coming assassination and cannibalism of the Pope?will from this point on make you giggle like little girls? Behold!
(Rove removes from the briefcase several sheets of paper. He studies them intently; every eye in the room is trained upon him. Finally, Rove speaks ...)
Rove: This is the frickin? Doomsday Device? A bunch of bogus National Guard memos? What the hell?
Clarence Thomas: Well, what we thought we?d do, see, was hand these over to the media and ...
Rove: Oh, come on! These are dated 1972 but they?re in Microsoft Word! Hellloooo! You think anybody in their right mind will fall for these? Oh, look here; you haven?t even changed the default settings! Why, I could type these up at home!
Ann Coulter: With respect, sir, the plan was to ...
Rove: Plan? Plan? Listen, legs, this plan wouldn?t fool a Kennedy! Or a crack-addicted homeless person! This so-called plan wouldn?t rate a segment on Air America! This plan I?m looking at wouldn?t be posted at Democratic goddamn Underground! This half-assed, retard plan isn?t worth the ...
Hugh Hewitt: Actually, we were thinking of giving the memos to Dan Rather.
Rove: Proceed.
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Funny I recall both sides advocating retribution for 9/11 and the Dub obliged by striking at the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Rove is just trying to justify the Dub's ill conceived excellent adventure in Iraq.
funny...there's no text in that link that says the claims were disproven, but there is a link to a detailed analysis of the timeline and gee...look at this. :thumbsup:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The story was followed up on as well. The "story" was hot air and a poor attempt at slandering Bush with no evidence, so they had to invent some.Originally posted by: minus1972
That's what I'm saying. Instead of following up on the story itself everyone just jumped on Rather.Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Nothing substantiates the "story" the left attempted to foist on everyone.
Read up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate