Originally posted by: minus1972
funny...there's no text in that link that says the claims were disproven, but there is a link to a detailed analysis of the timeline and gee...look at this. :thumbsup:
my bad...I thought we were arguing different points. I need some more coffee.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: minus1972
funny...there's no text in that link that says the claims were disproven, but there is a link to a detailed analysis of the timeline and gee...look at this. :thumbsup:
And if you really check into the details, it's much more damning then that link indicates.
Originally posted by: minus1972
funny...there's no text in that link that says the claims were disproven, but there is a link to a detailed analysis of the timeline and gee...look at this. :thumbsup:Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The story was followed up on as well. The "story" was hot air and a poor attempt at slandering Bush with no evidence, so they had to invent some.Originally posted by: minus1972
That's what I'm saying. Instead of following up on the story itself everyone just jumped on Rather.Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Nothing substantiates the "story" the left attempted to foist on everyone.
Read up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate
Originally posted by: berserker
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Leave it to the corrupt Bush regime to politicize 9/11 right where 3,000 of its victims died.
The tyranny knows no bounds. They can criticize and make others apologize, but it (the Regime) will never concede an apology when they owe it.
Just because you and Senator Clinton think an apology is owed does not mean that it is.
And what is this Bush administration corruption? Why hasn't anyone been indicted for corruption? Oh wait, that's right, it's because this corruption exists only under your tin foil hat.
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
Originally posted by: irwincur
So having one right leaning 24/7 news channel means that there is no bias in the other three? They are not all owned by Fox.
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
/rolleyeye thingy
..and speaking of being schooled (whupped!), are all you Libs out there gonna just try and ignore wiin's air-tight smackdown? oh wait, I forgot, "Karl Rove is an imbecile" so anything he says is surely not true.. even if win has the links/documentation to back it up.. riight.. I know the drill.. got it.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
/rolleyeye thingy
..and speaking of being schooled (whupped!), are all you Libs out there gonna just try and ignore wiin's air-tight smackdown? oh wait, I forgot, "Karl Rove is an imbecile" so anything he says is surely not true.. even if win has the links/documentation to back it up.. riight.. I know the drill.. got it.
I missed that "air tight smackdown"...please point it out so I can see how badly the left was "whupped".
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
/rolleyeye thingy
..and speaking of being schooled (whupped!), are all you Libs out there gonna just try and ignore wiin's air-tight smackdown? oh wait, I forgot, "Karl Rove is an imbecile" so anything he says is surely not true.. even if win has the links/documentation to back it up.. riight.. I know the drill.. got it.
I missed that "air tight smackdown"...please point it out so I can see how badly the left was "whupped".
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
/rolleyeye thingy
..and speaking of being schooled (whupped!), are all you Libs out there gonna just try and ignore wiin's air-tight smackdown? oh wait, I forgot, "Karl Rove is an imbecile" so anything he says is surely not true.. even if win has the links/documentation to back it up.. riight.. I know the drill.. got it.
I missed that "air tight smackdown"...please point it out so I can see how badly the left was "whupped".
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10th post on page 2 is NJDevil for me, nothing about Rove in there. Give me a phrase or something, because I am certainly not seeing what you are talking about.
Nothing disgusting about what Rove said.
As the RNC put it:
?It?s outrageous that the same Democrats who stood by Dick Durbin?s libeling of our military are now expressing faux outrage over Karl Rove?s statement of historical fact. George Soros, Michael Moore, MoveOn and the hard left were wrong after 9/11, just as it was wrong for Democrat leaders to stand by and remain silent after Dick Durbin made his deplorable comments.?
- RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman
What is disgusting are the following:
Liberal Third Party Groups Urged Restraint, Blamed America:
Immediately After 9/11, MoveOn.Org Petition Urged ?Moderation And Restraint? And Use Of ?International Judicial Institutions.?
?We, The Undersigned, Citizens And Residents Of The United States Of America ? Appeal To The President Of The United States, George W. Bush ? And To All Leaders Internationally To Use Moderation And Restraint In Responding To The Recent Terrorist Attacks Against The United States.? (MoveOn.Org Website, ?MoveOn Peace,? http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
?We Implore The Powers That Be To Use, Wherever Possible, International Judicial Institutions And International Human Rights Law To Bring To Justice Those Responsible For The Attacks, Rather Than The Instruments Of War, Violence Or Destruction.? (MoveOn.Org Website, ?MoveOn Peace,? http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
?[W]e Demand That There Be No Recourse To Nuclear, Chemical Or Biological Weapons, Or Any Weapons Of Indiscriminate Destruction, And Feel That It Is Our Inalienable Human Right To Live In A World Free Of Such Arms.? (MoveOn.Org Website, ?MoveOn Peace,? http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
Just After 9/11, Liberal Filmmaker Michael Moore Derided ?Terror And Bloodshed? Committed By Americans. (David Brooks, Op-Ed, ?All Hail Moore,? The New York Times, 6/26/04)
Just After 9/11, Moore Blamed America?s ?Taxpayer-Funded Terrorism? And Bush Administration For Terrorist Attacks. ?We abhor terrorism ? unless we?re the ones doing the terrorizing. We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me.?Let?s mourn, let?s grieve, and when it?s appropriate let?s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.? (Michael Moore Website Archive, ?Death, Downtown,? Posted 9/12/01, www.michaelmoore.com, Accessed 7/27/04)
Michael Moore Said U.S. Should Not Have Removed Taliban After 9/11. Moore: ?Likewise, to bomb Afghanistan ? I mean, I?ve never understood this, Tim.? (CNBC?s ?Tim Russert,? 10/19/02)
Liberal Donor George Soros Claimed America Should Have Treated 9/11 Attacks As Crime, Responded With Police Work. ?War is a false and misleading metaphor in the context of combating terrorism. Treating the attacks of September 11 as crimes against humanity would have been more appropriate. Crimes require police work, not military action. To protect against terrorism, you need precautionary measures, awareness, and intelligence gathering ? all of which ultimately depend on the support of the populations among which terrorists operate. Imagine for a moment that September 11 had been treated as a crime. We would have pursued Bin Laden in Afghanistan, but we would not have invaded Iraq. Nor would we have our military struggling to perform police work in full combat gear and getting killed in the process.? (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 18)
Soros Said The Execution Of 9/11 Attacks ?Could Not Have Been More Spectacular.? ?Admittedly, the terrorist attack was a historic event in its own right. Hijacking fully loaded airplanes and using them as suicide bombs was an audacious idea, and the execution could not have been more spectacular.? (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 2)
Soros Said War On Terror Had Claimed More Innocent Victims Than 9/11 Attack Itself. ?This is a very tough thing to say, but the fact is, that the war on terror as conducted by this administration, has claimed more innocent victims that the original attack itself.? (George Soros, Remarks At Take Back America Conference, Washington, DC, 6/3/04)
Liberal Democrats Urged Restraint, Blamed America:
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH): ??The Time For Peace Is Now,? [Kucinich] Declared Optimistically July 11, Two Months To The Day Before Terrorists Hit The Pentagon And The World Trade Center. ? Sitting In His Capitol Hill Office Last Week, Near A Window Where He Could See The Smoke Rising From The Pentagon On Sept. 11, Kucinich Insisted He Is More Optimistic Than Ever That People Worldwide Are Ready To Embrace The Cause Of Nonviolence.? (Elizabeth Auster, ?Offer The Hand Of Peace,? [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)
Kucinich: ?Afghanistan May Be An Incubator Of Terrorism But It Doesn?t Follow That We Bomb Afghanistan ?? (Elizabeth Auster, ?Offer The Hand Of Peace,? [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI): ?Only Now Are We Trying To Figure Out What Is Islam. Maybe If There Was A Department Of Peace, They Would Be Able To Say, ?Uh-Oh, We?ve Got Some Problems With These People,? ? I Truly Believe That If We Had A Department Of Peace, We Would Have Seen [9/11] Coming.? (Ethan Wallison, ?War A Challenge For Peace Caucus,? Roll Call, 10/1/01)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): ?I Am Convinced That Military Action Will Not Prevent Further Acts Of International Terrorism Against The United States.? (Eddy Ramirez, ?Calif. Congresswoman Alone In Vote Against War Powers Resolution,? [University Of California-Berkeley] Daily Californian, 9/17/01)
Al Sharpton (D-NY) Said That The Attacks On The World Trade Center Are Evidence That ?America Is Beginning To Reap What It Has Sown.? (Adam Nagourney, ?Say It Loud,? The New York Times, 12/1/02)
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Claimed Osama Bin Laden Could Be Compared To ?Revolutionaries That Helped To Cast Off The British Crown.? ??One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown,? Kaptur told an Ohio newspaper, The (Toledo) Blade.? (Malie Rulon, ?Lawmaker Compares Osama, U.S. Patriots,? The Associated Press, 3/6/03)
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Said The United States Would ?Pay Every Single Hour, Ever Single Day? That Bombs Were Dropped In Afghanistan. ??How much longer does the bombing campaign continue?? Biden asked during an Oct. 22 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. ?We?re going to pay every single hour, every single day it continues.?? (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
?The Bombing Campaign, [Biden] Said, Reinforced Existing Stereotypes Of The United States As A ?High-Tech Bully ??? (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT) Said Osama Bin Laden Not Guilty. Dean: ?I Still Have This Old-Fashioned Notion That Even With People Like Osama, Who Is Very Likely To Be Found Guilty, We Should Do Our Best Not To, In Positions Of Executive Power, Not To Prejudge Jury Trials.? (?Dean Not Ready To Pronounce Osama Bin Laden Guilty,? The Associated Press, 12/26/03)
Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) To High School Students: ?How Would [Muslims] Look At Us Today If We Had Been There Helping Them With Some Of That Rather Than Just Being The People Who Are Going To Bomb In Iraq And Go To Afghanistan? ? War Is Expensive Too ? Your Generation Ought To Be Thinking About Whether We Should Be Better Neighbors Out In Other Countries So That They Have A Different Vision Of Us.? (Gregg Herrington, ?Senator Asks Students To Ponder,? The [Vancouver, WA] Columbian, 12/19/02)
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): ?[W]ar On Terror Is Far Less Of A Military Operation And Far More Of An Intelligence-Gathering, Law-Enforcement Operation.? (The Iowa Brown & Black Coalition Presidential Forum, Des Moines, IA, 1/11/04)
Kerry: ?[W]hat We?ve Learned Is That The War On Terror Is Much More Of An Intelligence Operation And A Law Enforcement Operation.? (NPR?s ?All Things Considered,? 3/19/03)
Originally posted by: ElFenix
i don't see why the democrats are crying, its not like they're liberals.
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
/rolleyeye thingy
..and speaking of being schooled (whupped!), are all you Libs out there gonna just try and ignore wiin's air-tight smackdown? oh wait, I forgot, "Karl Rove is an imbecile" so anything he says is surely not true.. even if win has the links/documentation to back it up.. riight.. I know the drill.. got it.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
/rolleyeye thingy
..and speaking of being schooled (whupped!), are all you Libs out there gonna just try and ignore wiin's air-tight smackdown? oh wait, I forgot, "Karl Rove is an imbecile" so anything he says is surely not true.. even if win has the links/documentation to back it up.. riight.. I know the drill.. got it.
I missed that "air tight smackdown"...please point it out so I can see how badly the left was "whupped".
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Careful, now, bud -- while those memos were not PROVEN to be fact, they have yet to be PROVEN to be fake. They probably really are for real, but Bush's bloodhounds went out and snapped up any relevant evidence before Rather got his hands on it first.Originally posted by: minus1972
How quiclkly did mainstream media turn on Dan Rather once it came out that the National Guard memos were fake? Did anyone look past that to actually investigate the original story and try to correct it?
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Really? Then what would you call the folks (Democrats) that have been systematically schooled/whupped for the past 5+ years? - "imbecile", indeedOriginally posted by: arsbanned
Karl Rove is an imbecile.
I agree. Rove is anything but an imbecile. He is a brilliant strategist and the left does not have anyone who compares ATPAT. I don't think he needs to apologize for anything he said that he obviously meant to say. It is not like the words slipped out of his mouth. He pushes the buttons and the dumb ass Congresspersons with (D)'s on get all bent out of shape, just like he WANTS them to. See, in my opinion, there needs to be just 1 spokesperson for the Democratic party and everyone else needs to STFU and stop putting their 2 cents in all the time because all they end up doing is looking like whiney bitches. There needs to be a central command for lack of better word, and all Democrat responses to issues need to be run through this command. Actually take the time to THINK about what the best response would be and then come out with it. All complaining about Rove's words did was fire up his base even more. Too many Indians and not enough chiefs running the DNC. And Howard Dean is not the guy you want getting out there in front of the reports giving the Democratic response IMO. They need someone calm and articulate to a fault, someone with charisma and good looks.
I will be offering my services to the DNC as I am the only on who fits that bill