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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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They are not American citizens....they illegally entered the country. They should be booted right back out.
Asylum seekers entered the country legally and had their rights violated by the Trump administration. This is black letter law.
The $450,000 is per person and around $1 million per family is what is being negotiated.
Says who? You are reposting garbage.
 

Maxima1

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2013
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Asylum seekers entered the country legally and had their rights violated by the Trump administration. This is black letter law.

Says who? You are reposting garbage.

Let's just say that it is half a million, which really isn't that far-fetched considering all the incredibly generous ghetto lottery payouts for even stuff not even as bad as this was (e.g. pointing a gun). Now, how does that compare to how the government treats people who are disabled? Haha, it's not remotely close.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
71,854
31,892
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Let's just say that it is half a million, which really isn't that far-fetched considering all the incredibly generous ghetto lottery payouts for even stuff not even as bad as this was (e.g. pointing a gun). Now, how does that compare to how the government treats people who are disabled? Haha, it's not remotely close.
You are running with "news" from a totally garbage site.
 

Maxima1

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2013
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You are running with "news" from a totally garbage site.

So what do you expect to happen? The Democrats will look the other way because they are immigrants? If they treat them consistently, they should get huge payouts.

"Asylum seekers entered the country legally and had their rights violated by the Trump administration. This is black letter law."

 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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31,892
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So what do you expect to happen? The Democrats will look the other way because they are immigrants? If they treat them consistently, they should get huge payouts.

"Asylum seekers entered the country legally and had their rights violated by the Trump administration. This is black letter law."
I expect to wait for reliable information instead of building fantastical sculptures out of dog shit.
 
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13Gigatons

Diamond Member
Apr 19, 2005
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If you don’t like it stop voting for politicians who violate human rights. It’s not rocket science.

I don't like Trump but he sent the right message on illegal immigration. Biden has been a disaster.

Also Biden doesn't have to settle the lawsuits but he's such a WIMP he will fold. Democrats always fold.
 
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sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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This is all crap from Fox News. Fox has nothing better to do than sit around promoting their fake outrage. I have known illegals living in this country and no one are giving them taxpayer checks nor food stamps nor drivers license. The truth is that illegals live in fear, and if they work it’s for wages under the table. And even when they do work for someone, that someone takes advantage of them by never paying on time nor paying what was honestly earned. Republican farmers, republican small businesses owners, they are the people hiring illegals and knowingly hiring illegals so they can treat illegal workers like shit. And what is that illegal immigrant worker to do when the boss screws them? What, run to the police? An illegal immigrant running to police to complain?

Fox News only goal is to make Americans afraid of each other, fire up hate against one another, and put lies out there like Trump really won an election or that illegals are coming over to collect checks and get food stamps and walk into the DMV to pick up a free driver’s license. And this crap coming from Fox only feeds the problem. The Fox audience believes their crap and immigrants in other countries hear this crap and believe they too can simply waltz into the country to collect their free checks, free food stamps, and a driver’s license. So actually, Fox is responsible for the problem of illegal immigration more so than anyone else. Fox feeds the lies.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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I don't like Trump but he sent the right message on illegal immigration. Biden has been a disaster.

Also Biden doesn't have to settle the lawsuits but he's such a WIMP he will fold. Democrats always fold.

TOTAL BULL SHIT.
If Donald Trump had supposedly solved illegal immigration then why do we have illegal immigration today? Or maybe Trump only lied about solving illegal immigration, and thus we still have illegal immigration today. Every administration including that of Ronald Reagan has dealt with illegal immigration and not one administration past or present could tackle illegal immigration. Reagan couldn’t, Biden isn’t, and Donald Trump damn well did nothing to address illegal immigration other than lie about what he didn’t do. His fucking wall was never going to work and Trump knew it, but Trump did know that his wall would work in dividing Americans against Americans. THAT Trump’s wall did do….
 
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Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Asylum seekers aren't illegal aliens. All persons within US jurisdiction are protected by the Constitution and have the right to seek redress for violations of their Constitutional rights. The $450k you threw out was pulled out of someone's ass.
Literally never ceases to amaze when self-professed "strict constitutionalist" right-wing extremists willfully demonstrate that they have never bothered to read that sacred document.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I don't like Trump but he sent the right message on illegal immigration. Biden has been a disaster.

Also Biden doesn't have to settle the lawsuits but he's such a WIMP he will fold. Democrats always fold.

You need Immigrants.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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They are not American citizens....they illegally entered the country. They should be booted right back out.

The $450,000 is per person and around $1 million per family is what is being negotiated.

Constitutional rights are inherent, not granted at the whim of govt power. As such, citizenship is irrelevant with regards to rights.

And I'd also like to point out that the ability to make a claim to the govt is protected free speech under the 1a. "... and to petition the govt for a redress of grievances" is a Constitutional right guaranteed to all persons. That is the law. Whether or not that petition is granted, much less awarded, is a whole other story, of course.

Personally, I think it sucks that gullible persons, such as yourself, can be persuaded into forgoing your own Constitutional rights under the false premise that you are only denying those inherent rights to others.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Again...the payouts are too large...the illegals come to America with pennies in their pockets and become millionaires....most people will barely earn that much through working their whole lives.

Math is not your strong suit is it? How low must be your earnings to earn less than $450k over an entire lifetime? Hell, even a million?

Neither is sanity off you thought it was a reasonable to have a govt policy where we kidnap people's children, and sometimes lose them.

Another ineffectual waste of taxpayer money by Trump for yet another stupid idea that that blows back in our face.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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I don't like Trump but he sent the right message on illegal immigration. Biden has been a disaster.

Also Biden doesn't have to settle the lawsuits but he's such a WIMP he will fold. Democrats always fold.
His message was he’ll violate your rights by splitting up your family and putting them in cages if you try an emigrate here.

So what you wanted was illegal treatment of immigrants.

Lol that you think Biden having the guts to take responsibility for the previous administrations wrong doing is weak.
 
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woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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American citizen = $1400 stimy check
Illegal Alien = $450,000 check

Sweet deal...eh!

Yeah, and there's like hundreds of them and hundreds of millions of us. So do some quick math or go back to school.

Also, giving out stimulus checks has an entirely different purpose than compensating people for harm.

That's if this story is even true.
 
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Maxima1

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2013
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Math is not your strong suit is it? How low must be your earnings to earn less than $450k over an entire lifetime? Hell, even a million?

The time value of money is important here obviously albeit lots of people are stupid with money.

I expect to wait for reliable information instead of building fantastical sculptures out of dog shit.

It originated from WSJ.

Yeah, and there's like hundreds of them and hundreds of millions of us. So do some quick math or go back to school.

Also, giving out stimulus checks has an entirely different purpose than compensating people for harm.

That's if this story is even true.

Yeah, that's the problem. If it is broad involving a big part of the population, the government treats it much differently. The harm stuff relating to government responsibility is way more generous comparatively to how they treat the disability programs.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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The time value of money is important here obviously albeit lots of people are stupid with money.



It originated from WSJ.



Yeah, that's the problem. If it is broad involving a big part of the population, the government treats it much differently. The harm stuff relating to government responsibility is way more generous comparatively to how they treat the disability programs.

The only problem here is that bigoted freedom-hating assholes like yourself assume that rights are bequeathed by the govt authority rather than being inherent to all. The error is your thinking is that govt gives a shit about your whiteness. Or that it even should.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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The time value of money is important here obviously albeit lots of people are stupid with money.



It originated from WSJ.



Yeah, that's the problem. If it is broad involving a big part of the population, the government treats it much differently. The harm stuff relating to government responsibility is way more generous comparatively to how they treat the disability programs.

Yes, if the government is responsible for harm, that is one thing. If people are disabled due to no fault of the government, that is obviously another.

I will say I highly doubt these people will receive 7 figures. I find that extremely questionable.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
50,422
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Yes, if the government is responsible for harm, that is one thing. If people are disabled due to no fault of the government, that is obviously another.

I will say I highly doubt these people will receive 7 figures. I find that extremely questionable.
I think the larger point that OP's assertion that non-citizens do not have the 1a right to petition is still pertinent here.
Obviously they do, but IMO it has been the suppression of such petitions that has been the major impediment to the advancement of civil rights.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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The time value of money is important here obviously albeit lots of people are stupid with money.



It originated from WSJ.



Yeah, that's the problem. If it is broad involving a big part of the population, the government treats it much differently. The harm stuff relating to government responsibility is way more generous comparatively to how they treat the disability programs.
The harm is from 90- IQ dipshits like yourself wanting to believe you're better that someone with a 100+ IQ just because of your skin color.
 
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