Disk to Disk burning? Software?

[EliteRetard]

Have a family member that has been collecting DVD movies for decades...between purchases, gifts, etc. there's about 800 movies. Basically our family has combined their movie collections to one person. Recently have been trying to make a backup of each one, but there are issues.

Purchased the full suite of AnyDVD, which does allow us to make a backup copy (w/ Clone DVD). Problem is there doesn't seem to be any way to copy disk to disk...and none of the movies actually seem to fit on a DVD despite being a DVD themselves. We always have to strip out stuff like extra features and then lower the quality to make the movies fit on a new disk.

I remember back in the day I was always able to copy directly disk to disk, and every machine I built had 2 DVD drives for this purpose. Apparently I don't know how to do this anymore. I don't even recall what software I use to use.

Another problem we have is a massive failure rate. At first we had a ~90%+ success rate with a single crappy Memorex drive burning to the HDD and then back to a disk. That drive failed half way through (400 disks) so I donated a new Asus. We now have about 70% failure rate on DL disks and 25% failure on single layer. I donated another pair, a Lite-On and a Plextor. Still having high failure rates.

Started with Verbatim disks, they seemed to be the best rated today. Still have ~300 disks (bought in bulk) but with the sudden huge failure rates we're wondering whats up. Between 3 drives 2 types of disks from different packs. May try another brand, but I'm wondering if it's somehow something else. Everything was working before. It almost seems like the issues popped up when we had HDD issues.

We had a HDD seemingly die. Was fairly new, worked perfectly and then AVG detected some kind of boot sector error and restarted the PC and the HDD would no longer show up. Installed another drive (restored OS image from backup) and I cant see the other one in BIOS or OS. Is it possible the drive is physically OK, is there a software that I can use that might revive it?

For info, the PC hardware:
C2D E8500, 2GB Corsair 800 DDR2, cheap MOBO/PSU/GPU Win XP 32bit.
Had a 500GB SATA HDD now stuck with an old IDE 120GB.

Used to have a nice Nforce EVGA MOBO...but it died. After the new MOBO the PC will never shut down. Always got to flip the switch on the back, yes I've quadruple checked all wires/connections.

No money for a new PC, and they need the legacy ports for sewing & embroidery equipment. Even my personal PC is actually older/worse than this (original E6600).

Hmmm...that's all I can think of for now.
Thanks for any input/advice.

 

[EliteRetard]

Oh actually another issue, why is it that some movies are only burning with the commentary enabled? Everything looks normal runs normal, except all the audio of the entire movie has been covered over with commentary. Still no idea why disks are doing this or how to make it stop. There are selection options in the menu, but no matter what you select the disk is always commentary.

Anywho...

 

[DaveSimmons]

If the disc fits without re-authoring, something like ImgBurn makes more sense than AnyDVD. It treats the disc as just data files and copies them.

DVD -> ISO -> DVD. It might also do DVD -> DVD but I can't check that here.

http://www.imgburn.com/

Be careful, 90% of the links on the site are scam advertisements that only look like clean download links. The MajorGeeks link is safe:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/ImgBurn_d4870.html

 

[EliteRetard]

Yeah I don't understand why they wont fit on a new disk. I think it's something AnyDVD or CloneDVD is doing. I think I need AnyDVD to break the security on the disks though don't I? Unless there is a way to just make a bit for bit copy that works exactly like the original disk security and all. I actually have been leaving in the FBI warnings and stuff, these are all legal disks, just making backups.

So I guess I'll try this ImgBurn thing, thanks.

Reasons I want to go disk to disk is not only to keep the same content/quality but also for speed, I've got lots of drives, seems stupid to be stuck transferring to HDD and back on a single unit.

So still looking for more info/input...TIA.

 

[QuietDad]

Data DVD's you usually buy are labeled with 4.7GB on them hold just that, 4.7gb of DATA. DVD's with movies on them are whats known as Dual Layered DVDs and store up to 8.5GB of data. You need not only a dual layer DVD but a Dual layer DVD player.

 

[EliteRetard]

Data DVD's you usually buy are labeled with 4.7GB on them hold just that, 4.7gb of DATA. DVD's with movies on them are whats known as Dual Layered DVDs and store up to 8.5GB of data. You need not only a dual layer DVD but a Dual layer DVD player.

I already know this thanks. I have both DL and Single layer disks. Most movies in fact are single layer. Still, having problems with both.

 

[Ken g6]

Imgburn + Verbatim DataLifePlus = hardly ever a coaster for single-layer media. I think I may have burned one or two, but I think they were my fault for aborting or doing something tricky.

Technically, DVD-R holds a little more than +R, though I've found them a little less reliable overall. If you want DVD-R, look for "Taiyo Yuden" media.

I've never done anything with dual-layer writable media, so I can't help you there. I don't usually mind the quality of a DVD-Shrink copy.

 

[Cerb]

DVDs can vary slightly in size (pressed quite a bit, and recordable are slight different between + and -, IIRC). If they are right at ~4.7GB (4.35GiB), they may be a hair big to fit, and might need something minor taken out (if the audio is multilingual, or has multiple versions, like separate surround and stereo, those are good candidates).

If it's 4.3GiB or less, it should copy without re-authoring, unless AnyDVD does something funky. I've done DVD->ISO->DVD before, with DVDFab and DVDShrink, and have not had issues with single-layer discs. However, I have not done mass backups to disc, just several here and there for used purchases that wouldn't play right, but weren't FUBARed (HDDs are just as cheap, sometimes cheaper, per GB, easier to work with, and ISOs allow playback flexibility and data verification that discs do not, so I now treat the discs as backups, and the rips as the main copies, much like CDs).

Any that are maybe ~2005 or older should work with DVDShrink, along with more esoteric ones, so you can check, for some subset of discs (if these are movie people, rather than people with lots of just released Hollywood schlock, that should be a fairly large subset), without spending more money on software. You can set it to DVD-9, and get an ISO that is decrypted and remuxed only, regardless of size.

Disc to disc might be a little more efficient, but you can also rip to ISO many at a time, and separate your time into rip sessions and burning sessions.

For larger movies, you might consider split archive backups of the ISOs, instead of DL discs as playable DVDs. IIRC, no company ever came out with truly high-quality DL discs, as they started coming in just as they all were gearing up for BDs.

 

[EliteRetard]

Imgburn + Verbatim DataLifePlus = hardly ever a coaster for single-layer media. I think I may have burned one or two, but I think they were my fault for aborting or doing something tricky.

Technically, DVD-R holds a little more than +R, though I've found them a little less reliable overall. If you want DVD-R, look for "Taiyo Yuden" media.

I've never done anything with dual-layer writable media, so I can't help you there. I don't usually mind the quality of a DVD-Shrink copy.

Yep, using Verbatim as stated earlier. Had a good burn rate to start, suddenly I'm getting massive failure rates (~20-25% single) especially the dual layer disks (~70-75% bad). I'm wondering if its a possible problem with hardware/software.

I'll actually have to head over to their house to try some of these options.

 

[EliteRetard]

DVDs can vary slightly in size (pressed quite a bit, and recordable are slight different between + and -, IIRC). If they are right at ~4.7GB (4.35GiB), they may be a hair big to fit, and might need something minor taken out (if the audio is multilingual, or has multiple versions, like separate surround and stereo, those are good candidates).

If it's 4.3GiB or less, it should copy without re-authoring, unless AnyDVD does something funky. I've done DVD->ISO->DVD before, with DVDFab and DVDShrink, and have not had issues with single-layer discs. However, I have not done mass backups to disc, just several here and there for used purchases that wouldn't play right, but weren't FUBARed (HDDs are just as cheap, sometimes cheaper, per GB, easier to work with, and ISOs allow playback flexibility and data verification that discs do not, so I now treat the discs as backups, and the rips as the main copies, much like CDs).

Any that are maybe ~2005 or older should work with DVDShrink, along with more esoteric ones, so you can check, for some subset of discs (if these are movie people, rather than people with lots of just released Hollywood schlock, that should be a fairly large subset), without spending more money on software. You can set it to DVD-9, and get an ISO that is decrypted and remuxed only, regardless of size.

Disc to disc might be a little more efficient, but you can also rip to ISO many at a time, and separate your time into rip sessions and burning sessions.

For larger movies, you might consider split archive backups of the ISOs, instead of DL discs as playable DVDs. IIRC, no company ever came out with truly high-quality DL discs, as they started coming in just as they all were gearing up for BDs.

Sooo...what?

With Any DVD and its burn software Clone DVD I am currently removing all extra features and having to reduce quality of the movie itself to as much as 60% of normal. Replaying these disks it's very obvious the quality is lower than the real disk.

I don't know why we have to do this, unless it is indeed Any DVD or Clone DVD that is doing something funky. That's why I wanted to ask.

So it sounds like I need to figure out how to turn a disk into an ISO and then copy that ISO to a new disk...and that will give me an original quality copy? Even if I do still have to remove the extra features as long as the movie itself no longer needs to be compressed.

I'm a little confused with the 2005 comment and DVD 9 thing. And what do you mean rip to ISO many at a time? You mean use multiple drives to write to the HDD at the same time? I don't think we have the hardware capable of that. Especially now that were stuck with an old 100GB IDE HDD.

Whats a split archive backup ISO? How would I do that from a DL disk?

And you did mention disk to disk, do you know how that can be done? Will one of the software options you mentioned do that? I still think that's the best way to go. Faster more efficient and better quality. At least it should be...if I can figure it out.

 

[LagunaX]

Might try an hour or two Prime95 blend session to see if any old hardware is faulty.
4gb of ram couldn't hurt either for increased buffer.

I bet ppl here would even donate parts or even an older PC better than yours if u covered shipping rather than greencycle them.

 

[EliteRetard]

Might try an hour or two Prime95 blend session to see if any old hardware is faulty.
4gb of ram couldn't hurt either for increased buffer.

No thanks lol...every time I try to do anything good for this PC shit blows up. MOBO fries, HDD dies, DVD drives explode, OS corruption, PSU haywire etc. And I get stuck buying all the repair parts...since I'm the "PC guy" it must be my fault "YOU TOUCHED IT LAST!".

If I tried to put a sustained max load on this thing it would probably melt for good.
I've got 2 DVD drives on the same SATA channel and I hope that going disk to disk will reduce the issues.

Oh and 2 channels, finding and paying for 4GB of DDR2 is not worth it.

 

[EliteRetard]

I bet ppl here would even donate parts or even an older PC better than yours if u covered shipping rather than greencycle them.

Not yet, I've been whining about old crappy hardware around here for years.
I know I've directly asked people who've posted old crap and no luck so far.

I think the E8500 is actually a pretty decent CPU (was a lucky free find).
Problem is everything else in that PC, its been cobbled together from scraps.
Used to be a high end gaming rig, with a nice MOBO RAM ect...only the RAM and CPU work now (well sort of lol).
And the fugly ass case with all the glow lights lol.
And it's not worth trying to hunt down and buy new parts to fix it all, even if we could afford it.

As was also mentioned earlier (at least I think I mentioned it) this family member needs a PC with legacy ports for a bunch of expensive old sewing and embroidery machines (graciously donated when a rich family upgraded). So this PC can't really go anywhere.

Need to get something new and not all Frankenstein shit.
I understand that generosity doesn't go that far, and I'm not going to ask it to.
Well sometimes it does, we've had a few people do some awesome giveaway contests...but I haven't won yet.

I'll still keep my fingers crossed though

And I actually need 2 if not 3 new PC's, all of ours are old C2Ds. The E8500 machine that's doing all this movie work is the best of the bunch.

Mine is older and crappier, and my dad's is also failing hard.

For my dad though he really needs some high end shit. Quad core and an SSD would actually be really useful. He's trying to run businesses on his old piece of crap and is always raging at how terrible his computer is.

One misfortune, we are now all disabled and unemployed. That's not for pity, but to point out the problem. Part of why we decided to do this project now, all the free time lol.

I'm retarded and don't work. My sister was disabled at work (whatever assistance she is getting goes to medical bills) what money I do get frequently goes to help out. My dad is a disabled vet (and he's been waiting for decades to get his benefits). He doesn't really make anything from the businesses he tries to run (couple hundred a year at best).

I think I'm ranting...I just lost my train of thought and looked back. WTF. Time to just hit post

 

[hot120]

Just use DVD Fab Platinum.

http://www.dvdfab.com/

 

[Cerb]

I'm a little confused with the 2005 comment

DVDShrink stopped getting updated, and newer DVDs from big publishers will fail to copy, or copy with bad video and/or audio.

and DVD 9 thing.

Effectively disables compression, so the resulting ISO will be exactly the size needed to make a direct copy.

Whats a split archive backup ISO? How would I do that from a DL disk?

Make big ISO.
zip/rar7-zip it into ~4.3GiB chunks, or just smallish other chunks, to span 2 discs. Then you can read those back to get the original stuff as an ISO.

 

[Johnny4]

I have already tried 2 on window8 and they are work great.

Power iso
CD burnerxp