Diskeeper 2011 with SSD and 2 Regular Hard Drives?

[Jules]

Ive been using this for about a month or more. Im trying to figure out if the Hyperfast for the SSD is even worth it running on a M4 Crucial 128GB SSD.

I mainly used it for my 2 secondary Hard drives but im also wondering if i can just use the built in windows one just fine?

 

[Nothinman]

Paying for defrag tools hasn't been worth it for as long as I can remember and frankly I would be very hesitant to trust 3rd party defrag tools with an SSD.

 

[Jules]

Paying for defrag tools hasn't been worth it for as long as I can remember and frankly I would be very hesitant to trust 3rd party defrag tools with an SSD.

I got it free from work awhile back. I think ill just uninstall it then.

 

[AlexKlein]

Hi Jules,

I would highly recommend leaving Diskeeper installed and not relying on the built-in one.

The built-in defragger only runs by default at 1am on Wednesday - leaving your system to build up fragmentation throughout the rest of the week. Diskeeper on the other hand, does not need to be on a schedule at all - it removes fragmentation automatically and actually prevents 85% of it from occurring in the first place.

Comparing these two methods of removing fragmentation is like comparing Notepad to MS Word!

If you need more information, please let me know.

Alex
Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp)

 

[N4n45h1]

While I can see defrag tools helping with your hdds, you should probably keep it away from your ssd.

 

[AlexKlein]

Hi N4n45h1,

I understand why some people are wary of using defrag tools on their SSDs. However, our HyperFast technology in Diskeeper puts this issue to rest. SSDs over time will experience a very noticeable and dramatic deterioration in performance and HyperFast eliminates this issue.

As hard drive technologies change and improve over time, so do the software technologies that optimize them - and we're leading the way

Alex
Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp)

 

[kernelc]

While I can see defrag tools helping with your hdds, you should probably keep it away from your ssd.

Correct.

Defragmenting an SSD means to do a lot of writes on it, while performance will be identical. For this very reason, if Windows7 see a SSD it automatically disable the build-in defragmenter.

Regards.

 

[AlexKlein]

kernelc,

Exactly. Also keep in mind that Diskeeper doesn't do a traditional defrag on SSD - it uses other technologies to optimize the drive instead.

Alex
Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp)

 

[Nothinman]

Hi Jules,

I would highly recommend leaving Diskeeper installed and not relying on the built-in one.

The built-in defragger only runs by default at 1am on Wednesday - leaving your system to build up fragmentation throughout the rest of the week. Diskeeper on the other hand, does not need to be on a schedule at all - it removes fragmentation automatically and actually prevents 85% of it from occurring in the first place.

Comparing these two methods of removing fragmentation is like comparing Notepad to MS Word!

If you need more information, please let me know.

Alex
Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp)

That might be useful if fragmentation caused any real appreciable performance issues, but that's really only the case in corner cases these days. With today's high density drives, SSDs, large amounts of memory for caching, etc the effort required to get and install 3rd party tools just isn't worth it.

 

[rsutoratosu]

Diskeeper isn't like traditional defragger where you run once a week, etc.. its like an always on solution. I dont have the new ver for ssd or anything but I have licenses for 2008 server and exchange 2007/2008.

The only thing I can say is that with diskeeper, I almost never ran into the out of memory/resource errors on exchange svr. prior to that we had to reboot once every 6-7 weeks on resource error, out of virtual memory, swapping, fragmentation errors, etc. Now we dont, only reboot for patches.

Looks like your hyperfast catches write calls and places the data on continuous block to prevent fragmentation.

 

[Phynaz]

That might be useful if fragmentation caused any real appreciable performance issues, but that's really only the case in corner cases these days. With today's high density drives, SSDs, large amounts of memory for caching, etc the effort required to get and install 3rd party tools just isn't worth it.

I take it you don't work with files of any significant size then. I would never run a system without automated defrag.

 

[Nothinman]

I take it you don't work with files of any significant size then. I would never run a system without automated defrag.

As I said, corner cases. For the majority of people the effects of fragmentation aren't appreciable and fall into the statistical noise.

 

[AlexKlein]

Hi Nothinman,

Did you know that 90% of the Fortune 500 companies have Diskeeper running on their systems? Hardly what I would call corner cases ()

Alex
Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp)

 

[0roo0roo]

I take it you don't work with files of any significant size then. I would never run a system without automated defrag.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/the_disk_defrag_difference

its snake oil at this point.


anyways, its best to just buy a large drive, if you have average usage pattern you won't even use much of a 3-4tb drive, it won't have a change to get fragmented, and when it does, run that defrag once a year and it will be enough.

 

[kernelc]

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/the_disk_defrag_difference

its snake oil at this point.

While I am not sure, I think that this test is flawed: Windows Vista/7 include an aggressive prefetch service that will populate itself with commonly accessed "HD tracks".

Defragmenting the disk can led to the invalidation of these prefetched tracks, and so boot time will increase. The only interesting thing is that integrated defrag tool seems to not invalidate these data.

In other word, an heavy fragmented disk can really led to very low performance, but Windows' integrated tool will often be sufficient.

anyways, its best to just buy a large drive, if you have average usage pattern you won't even use much of a 3-4tb drive, it won't have a change to get fragmented, and when it does, run that defrag once a year and it will be enough.

While less likely on bigger drives loaded with relatively low data, fragmentation can still a problem. It all depend on your usage pattern...

Regards.

 

[mikeymikec]

I agree with most of the people here saying about defragging programs and SSDs, as it agrees with what I understand about SSDs, TRIM and wear-levelling.

If, however, the manufacturer of your SSD recommended a particular defragging program because of its special SSD support, and if the technical explanations of its function made sense, I'd consider using that program.